german cannibal only gets 8 1/2 years - GoFuckYourself.com

Hal · 01-30-2004, 04:07 AM

charged with manslaughter because apparently his victim volunteered... what a fucked up world we live in, how can this be justice??

story here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3443293.stm

Cash4Joins · 01-30-2004, 04:10 AM

he should have walked

Theo · 01-30-2004, 04:10 AM

i was about to post it.

body · 01-30-2004, 04:11 AM

wtf, you are so right, in what a fucked up world we live?
You can eat children and you can fuck them and you will get no punishment for it, but hell if you don't pay taxes you will be in prison for years ---->

Cash4Joins · 01-30-2004, 04:12 AM

the guy wanted to be eaten

Cash4Joins · 01-30-2004, 04:14 AM

damn he replyed to a ad in the paper, he wanted to die

- Jesus Christ - · 01-30-2004, 04:16 AM

Victim?

No... PARTNER.

Odin · 01-30-2004, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hal
charged with manslaughter because apparently his victim volunteered... what a fucked up world we live in, how can this be justice??

story here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3443293.stm

As seems to be the trend of most on this board: 'Two consenting adults...' Personally I find it extremely sick though.

Theo · 01-30-2004, 04:18 AM

http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...ing.google.com

chrisp420 · 01-30-2004, 04:18 AM

yessir please start the eating with my legs

Cash4Joins · 01-30-2004, 04:19 AM

yeah its nasty, but let them do whatever

mule · 01-30-2004, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hal
german cannibal only gets 8 1/2 years

well, he only ate half of the guy

Corleone · 01-30-2004, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mule

well, he only ate half of the guy

i think thats a correct decious. the victim wanted to die

-HF · 01-30-2004, 05:25 AM

IIRC, there was a video tape showing the 'victim' agreeing to the slaughter and being eaten. so getting him now for man slaughter is a bit out of order. i could understand euthanasia as a reason, as it's most likely illegal in Germany.

food for thought: using violence against others (hitting, ties, clamps, hot wax ... you know where this is heading) is illegal in most places. with the verdict on this cannibal, couldn't they go and slap all the BDSM folks? it too involves two or more consenting people usually....

in that light, the 8 1/2 years seem a bit threatening.

jaYMan · 01-30-2004, 05:26 AM

ldinternet · 01-30-2004, 05:30 AM

No big deal,

Issei Sagawa got only 15 months.

WankTank · 01-30-2004, 06:01 AM

Ya I heared about this.
What a creep (both of them)
I heared the other dude was in his freezer for a while cause he was saving it.

Sp1nal · 01-30-2004, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mule

well, he only ate half of the guy

..and the other half have survived and sued him, right?

Lykos · 01-30-2004, 06:41 AM

Only 8 1/2 years???Damn,they should kill the bastard

Theo · 01-30-2004, 06:48 AM

he'll be out in less than 5

im gonna bump the thread as warning to my german friends the day they'll release him free

Jedimaster · 01-30-2004, 07:18 AM

REUTERS - Kannibalenprozess ? 27/1/04 - stream

Sarah_Jayne · 01-30-2004, 08:26 AM

as I keep saying, (search for my name on this topic if you wish) ..I know for a fact that there are people that would gladly offer up their bodies to be consumed.

http · 01-30-2004, 08:34 AM

The consent argument is bullshit. Cannibalism is and always has been a bigger taboo even than incest for a good reason.

There sure will be cases now where the murderer claims "Uhh, he WANTED to be eaten".

It's really fucked for courts to open this can of worms. It establishes cannibalism as not that much of a crime

Sarah_Jayne · 01-30-2004, 08:40 AM

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Originally posted by http

There sure will be cases now where the murderer claims "Uhh, he WANTED to be eaten".

I have no problem at all with him being charged and he killed someone so he should go down forever. However, please trust me, I have interviewed more than one person whose greatest fantasy is to be slaughtered and eaten. For most it is just a fantasy but as with any fetish/paraphillia there is always a small portion who don't see the boundries of fantasy.

Manowar · 01-30-2004, 08:52 AM

well the guy did volunteer, but he should have got over 10 years in jail for that

http · 01-30-2004, 08:53 AM

I don't doubt that there are people who wish to die that way. Almost every teenager wishes to die at some point due to love problems or whatever. It's still good that dying cannot be achieved so easily, and that others aren't allowed to assist, with very few expeptions in some countries (doctors may end someone's serious physical pain, escpecially if the person is old).

My problem with this is, it kind of moves cannibalism into the wrong direction, into something that very well may be alright or at least not a heavy crime given the right circumstances.

I guess the reason some things are really taboo since decades is, that the overall negative impacts are so friggin huge, that special consideration in certain cases cannot be given.

Sarah_Jayne · 01-30-2004, 09:12 AM

I guess if you buy into that the victim was at a mental place where he was willing to be killed and that the killer was at a place where he thought it was okay to kill someone that said he wanted to be killed (as opposed to a hannibal character) then it comes down to wondering what you do if one mentally disturbed person kills another mentally disturbed person.

nathan_f · 01-30-2004, 09:14 AM

If I want someone to kill me and eat me. I should have the goddamn choice.

Damn governments.

liquidmoe · 01-30-2004, 09:19 AM

What's the sentence that's usually carried with manslaughter in England, after all he wasn't guilty of first degree murder hence the difference in sentencing. Also with the way things happened, the consent of the victim and so forth and just the entire craziness of the case its not so surprising that they didnt get murder but rather manslaughter, which if I'm not wrong is something like 5-25 years here in the states.

Shouldn't be arguing why he is getting so little time but why the prosecution wasn't able to convict him of a more serious crime.

01-30-2004, 04:07 AM	#1
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-HF Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: EU Posts: 174	IIRC, there was a video tape showing the 'victim' agreeing to the slaughter and being eaten. so getting him now for man slaughter is a bit out of order. i could understand euthanasia as a reason, as it's most likely illegal in Germany. food for thought: using violence against others (hitting, ties, clamps, hot wax ... you know where this is heading) is illegal in most places. with the verdict on this cannibal, couldn't they go and slap all the BDSM folks? it too involves two or more consenting people usually.... in that light, the 8 1/2 years seem a bit threatening. __________________ .

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01-30-2004, 06:48 AM	#20
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	he'll be out in less than 5 im gonna bump the thread as warning to my german friends the day they'll release him free

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Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	as I keep saying, (search for my name on this topic if you wish) ..I know for a fact that there are people that would gladly offer up their bodies to be consumed.

01-30-2004, 08:34 AM	#23
http Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,811	The consent argument is bullshit. Cannibalism is and always has been a bigger taboo even than incest for a good reason. There sure will be cases now where the murderer claims "Uhh, he WANTED to be eaten". It's really fucked for courts to open this can of worms. It establishes cannibalism as not that much of a crime

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Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	well the guy did volunteer, but he should have got over 10 years in jail for that

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http Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,811	I don't doubt that there are people who wish to die that way. Almost every teenager wishes to die at some point due to love problems or whatever. It's still good that dying cannot be achieved so easily, and that others aren't allowed to assist, with very few expeptions in some countries (doctors may end someone's serious physical pain, escpecially if the person is old). My problem with this is, it kind of moves cannibalism into the wrong direction, into something that very well may be alright or at least not a heavy crime given the right circumstances. I guess the reason some things are really taboo since decades is, that the overall negative impacts are so friggin huge, that special consideration in certain cases cannot be given.

01-30-2004, 09:12 AM	#27
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	I guess if you buy into that the victim was at a mental place where he was willing to be killed and that the killer was at a place where he thought it was okay to kill someone that said he wanted to be killed (as opposed to a hannibal character) then it comes down to wondering what you do if one mentally disturbed person kills another mentally disturbed person.

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nathan_f Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Think of me as Chomsky with dick jokes. Posts: 3,983	If I want someone to kill me and eat me. I should have the goddamn choice. Damn governments.

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liquidmoe Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 4,994	What's the sentence that's usually carried with manslaughter in England, after all he wasn't guilty of first degree murder hence the difference in sentencing. Also with the way things happened, the consent of the victim and so forth and just the entire craziness of the case its not so surprising that they didnt get murder but rather manslaughter, which if I'm not wrong is something like 5-25 years here in the states. Shouldn't be arguing why he is getting so little time but why the prosecution wasn't able to convict him of a more serious crime. __________________ Take Luck!