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Jason 01-28-2004 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt
Damn PD, 46% conversion? Is that from Free to Paid or Paid to Monthly? That's killer.... :)

Both.

Matt 26z 01-28-2004 12:00 PM

A big problem is the insurgence of sponsor programs designed on a budget over the last couple years.

The only thing they devote a meaningful amount of resources to is their sponsor program itself, and not their actual sites.

Trent Edison 01-28-2004 12:02 PM

If they want to make money, they definitely need to do something with that stuff. Good post man.
:glugglug

petepete 01-28-2004 12:23 PM

Please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like you have a typo on this page ('stright').

doober 01-28-2004 12:26 PM

if i signed up for a milf site and saw malezia there i would be pissed off as hell to...you should at least let the surfer into the milf backend and then allow him to the other sites once hes done there..

Joining a milf site and sending me to the members area of hardcoreteenvideos cant help either, im not saying your doing this but your screencap looks like it from what you have told us here.

:2 cents:

Matt 26z 01-28-2004 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by PornDollar
If you were to signup for a "MILF" site site.. Would you want a max of 30 episodes (like the majority of reality sites) or would you want MILF and 670 other videos of other niches?

I would be pissed if I was billed 40 bucks a month for 30 scenes.

If someone is buying into a MILF site, then they want MILF. It's the MILF they opened their wallet for, and it's other stuff you are giving them to make up for an alleged lack of content.

An example of a legit way of doing this is Nasty Dollars. You pay for one site/niche, and you get everything else. Individually the sites can in fact carry their own, but it's a nice added bonus.

The problem is that smaller programs don't use the unrelated content as a bonus. Instead it's presented as a part of what you are actually paying to see. It's filler.

NiTe-HaWk 01-28-2004 12:33 PM

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Some people sign up and only intend to pay for the trial, therefore, they cancel right away incase they forget to later on and get rebilled.
I know alot of guys that do that or they signup and cancel the free membership then come back a day later and get another one.

JSA Matt 01-28-2004 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by NiTe-HaWk
I know alot of guys that do that or they signup and cancel the free membership then come back a day later and get another one.
I believe that is a result of not having enough updates. I am guilty of doing this to a site that would only have 5 updates in 3 months. Why pay $90 for 5 updates when I can just get a $4.95 trial in 3 months time?

RP Fade 01-28-2004 12:57 PM

Alot of programs don't care because they follow rules of simple math..more coming in than going out, cross sales, upsells, email spams, ect . We take pride in our member's sections and we treat each member like they were our last. We are going to be updating daily now...6-7 days a week and we go out of our way to make sure our retention remains as high as possible, regardless of what program we offer. Every one of our sites uses a CMS which makes updating much easier and more frequent..



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JSA Matt 01-28-2004 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by RP Fade
Alot of programs don't care because they follow rules of simple math..more coming in than going out, cross sales, upsells, email spams, ect . We take pride in our member's sections and we treat each member like they were our last. We are going to be updating daily now...6-7 days a week and we go out of our way to make sure our retention remains as high as possible, regardless of what program we offer. Every one of our sites uses a CMS which makes updating much easier and more frequent..

:thumbsup

[edit: Our CMS allows us to input years of content, have updates every single day, and not have to touch the members area until more content needs to be added]

421Fill 01-28-2004 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by RP Fade
Alot of programs don't care because they follow rules of simple math..more coming in than going out, cross sales, upsells, email spams, ect . We take pride in our member's sections and we treat each member like they were our last. We are going to be updating daily now...6-7 days a week and we go out of our way to make sure our retention remains as high as possible, regardless of what program we offer. Every one of our sites uses a CMS which makes updating much easier and more frequent..




6-7 days a week is awesome. :thumbsup

RP Fade 01-28-2004 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt


:thumbsup

[edit: Our CMS allows us to input years of content, have updates every single day, and not have to touch the members area until more content needs to be added]

Yup..same here..we can set auto-updates ahead of time and let it run...

SykkBoy 01-28-2004 01:15 PM

the main factor for retention? people forgetting to cancel their memberships....

RP Fade 01-28-2004 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by SykkBoy2
the main factor for retention? people forgetting to cancel their memberships....
Biggest misconception and fallacy IMO..

FireFoz 01-28-2004 01:22 PM

I must say people who sign up are different from us. Some are just signing up for a new site every week, they dont want to stick with one, even if your member are would be heaven.

Man, i even see members join one of my paysites, NEVER login, and don't cancel either. I got a member rebilling for 7 months already, while he has NEVER logged in yet. I guess he died after seeing how awesome my member area is or something :Graucho


Anyway, members are odd.

pamphage 01-28-2004 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by FireFoz
I got a member rebilling for 7 months already, while he has NEVER logged in yet. I guess he died after seeing how awesome my member area is or something :Graucho


if he never logged in how would he have seen the member section?

SykkBoy 01-28-2004 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by RP Fade


Biggest misconception and fallacy IMO..

wait til Visa does away with recur billing, you'll see just how big forgetfulness is/was.......

angelsofporn 01-28-2004 02:13 PM

the more i hear about stuff like this the more i know i'm on the right track

Rictor 01-28-2004 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by Number1Thumb
Cause I just saw an intriguing site from a well known sponsor around here and decided I take a look. OMG Milf site featuring all Teen videos, 300 out of the 500 thumbnail previews are broken images. Over 50% of the links are 404's. And to think this guy was talking shit about all the other cookie cutter milf sites. Man if you guys really run your shit like this, I feel bad for ya. NO Milf's anywhere inside the members area:1orglaugh :1orglaugh Hey what do ya want for a free 1 day trial with 2 prechecked upsells at 40 bucks a pop not to mention the additional 40 after the 1 day trial. 120 Beans not bad
Yah, that's part of it. But I think there are also a lot of surfers that cancel their trials BEFORE they enter a site.

JSA Matt 01-28-2004 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by angelsofporn
the more i hear about stuff like this the more i know i'm on the right track
:thumbsup

Number1Thumb 01-28-2004 04:25 PM

Lets not forget to mention 50% of any links in that members area are 404? Is that your designers fault? Bottom line is it may convert off the tour but that site sucks ass. And that my friend is a fucking fraud.

Jason 01-28-2004 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by Number1Thumb
Lets not forget to mention 50% of any links in that members area are 404? Is that your designers fault? Bottom line is it may convert off the tour but that site sucks ass. And that my friend is a fucking fraud.

We dropped those feeds..

You got to see the members in the middle of a revamp..

Run over to GFY and post it to make PornDollar look bad..


But thanks for skirting the fact that you did not mention anything about us telling members we were working on our system.

aka... the screenshot I posted...

Look.. Go run back under your rock dude..

Or.. Better yet.. start a thread asking if PornDollar makes money for webmasters..

If you don't like the members area, then be my guest and promote the Per Signup Program..

evildick 01-28-2004 05:24 PM

Porndollar converts excellent.

Last period I was 1 in 94.

From the looks of it you caught them right at a bad time. (in the middle of an update)

Jason 01-28-2004 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by evildick
Porndollar converts excellent.

Last period I was 1 in 94.

From the looks of it you caught them right at a bad time. (in the middle of an update)


Bump..

Thanks EvilDick.

Yep.. That's front page uniques.

woot. I love the haters.

JSA Matt 01-28-2004 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by Number1Thumb
Lets not forget to mention 50% of any links in that members area are 404? Is that your designers fault? Bottom line is it may convert off the tour but that site sucks ass. And that my friend is a fucking fraud.
How is it fraud? Go promote some penis pills sponsors if you want to yell fraud.

It's obvious this post was made to make PD look bad, that's why you didn't post the part that PD did about being in the middle of an update. As PornDollar said, if you don't like the members area then use the PPS program and let him focus on the retention.

I bet this guy jumped on the Paris Hilton shit... the kind of person that will steal your wallet and help you find it. Class.

SoundMan 01-28-2004 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by Rictor


Yah, that's part of it. But I think there are also a lot of surfers that cancel their trials BEFORE they enter a site.


The above seems to be increasing..

surfers are like rats now..

trials are going to be a thing of the past real soon.

RP Fade 01-28-2004 06:39 PM

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Originally posted by angelsofporn
the more i hear about stuff like this the more i know i'm on the right track
:thumbsup


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