Why do they cancel immediately after signing up you ask? - GoFuckYourself.com

Number1Thumb · 01-28-2004, 09:50 AM

Cause I just saw an intriguing site from a well known sponsor around here and decided I take a look. OMG Milf site featuring all Teen videos, 300 out of the 500 thumbnail previews are broken images. Over 50% of the links are 404's. And to think this guy was talking shit about all the other cookie cutter milf sites. Man if you guys really run your shit like this, I feel bad for ya. NO Milf's anywhere inside the members area

Hey what do ya want for a free 1 day trial with 2 prechecked upsells at 40 bucks a pop not to mention the additional 40 after the 1 day trial. 120 Beans not bad

chowda · 01-28-2004, 09:51 AM

name name names

Nysus · 01-28-2004, 09:53 AM

Yup, the majority of sites suck. Of course there are very good sites as well. You really need to check out any site before you promote it. You might get lucky with a hit but it might be a miss.

Also, just because a sponsor has had good results for you in the past with old sites, any new sites they release might not be up to par or not the proper research went into the site's niche first.

Check everything out. That's the best two cents I can give..

Cheers,
Matt

Dveron · 01-28-2004, 09:53 AM

Was it a dollar/10 dollar site?

RockDaddy · 01-28-2004, 09:53 AM

Interesting and pretty smart actually. I need to look into that approach myself. The free trial didn't cost the surfer anything and after seeing that members area they are probably thrilled with the other sites.

Number1Thumb · 01-28-2004, 09:54 AM

Brutal is the only word to describe it. Fuckin hilarious, let me get a link

B40 · 01-28-2004, 09:54 AM

Some people sign up and only intend to pay for the trial, therefore, they cancel right away incase they forget to later on and get rebilled.

Number1Thumb · 01-28-2004, 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by Dveron
Was it a dollar/10 dollar site?

NO

polish_aristocrat · 01-28-2004, 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by B40
Some people sign up and only intend to pay for the trial, therefore, they cancel right away incase they forget to later on and get rebilled.

I always do that.

Trax · 01-28-2004, 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by Number1Thumb
Brutal is the only word to describe it. Fuckin hilarious, let me get a link

yeah baby
get us the dirty stuff

Number1Thumb · 01-28-2004, 09:58 AM

Figure it out http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ighlight=trial

Nysus · 01-28-2004, 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by RockDaddy
Interesting and pretty smart actually. I need to look into that approach myself. The free trial didn't cost the surfer anything and after seeing that members area they are probably thrilled with the other sites.

It really depends on a lot. I would be pretty disappointed of an affiliate program if they tricked you into tricking your surfer into sending them to a "Great" crap site. Of course you 'get what you pay for' but in some cases you don't get anything close to it. I do understand it's busy, but it's a little dirty.

Cheers,
Matt

chowda · 01-28-2004, 10:01 AM

go on..

RockDaddy · 01-28-2004, 10:03 AM

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I would be pretty disappointed of an affiliate program if they tricked you into tricking your surfer into sending them to a "Great" crap site

This is very true and depends on what traffic you are sending, definately wouldn't want to send bookmarkers over there.

Nysus · 01-28-2004, 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by RockDaddy
This is very true and depends on what traffic you are sending, definately wouldn't want to send bookmarkers over there.

Sure wouldn't want to.

Cheers,
Matt

Number1Thumb · 01-28-2004, 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by RockDaddy
This is very true and depends on what traffic you are sending, definately wouldn't want to send bookmarkers over there.

I wouldnt send my enemy to this site. I mean you wanna talk about "jerk-off frustration" a guy who wants Milf's is subjected to 404's all over the place Broken Images and all teen videos. That guy is pissed, I was

liquidmoe · 01-28-2004, 10:11 AM

Just goes to show you that you gotta make sure to test the stuff before you promote it. Why waste you traffic if even you wouldnt want to keep a membership there.

Number1Thumb · 01-28-2004, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by liquidmoe
Just goes to show you that you gotta make sure to test the stuff before you promote it. Why waste you traffic if even you wouldnt want to keep a membership there.

Oh ya no doubt, shit I was just lookin for a few hot 35-40 year olds, fuck I got a ton of Sobe content

hjnet · 01-28-2004, 10:17 AM

Unfortunately there are a lot of crappy paysites out there, cookie-cutter sites with shitty content etc. And there are for sure some TGPs with better content

Number1Thumb · 01-28-2004, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by hjnet
Unfortunately there are a lot of crappy paysites out there, cookie-cutter sites with shitty content etc. And there are for sure some TGPs with better content

ya cant give a guy teen videos when the site has the word MOM in the domain

- Jesus Christ - · 01-28-2004, 10:21 AM

Its a good thing I don't promote PORNDOLLAR?

mrthumbs · 01-28-2004, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by Number1Thumb
ya cant give a guy teen videos when the site has the word MOM in the domain

you can these days!!! makes perfect sense to me!!

Number1Thumb · 01-28-2004, 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by mrthumbs

you can these days!!! makes perfect sense to me!!

man thats really fucked up, really

candyflip · 01-28-2004, 10:24 AM

That tour design of that Porndollar site is garbage too. Looks like someone threw it together in an hour or so.

Guess you have to compliment the garbage inside as well.

Nysus · 01-28-2004, 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by mrthumbs

you can these days!!! makes perfect sense to me!!

It's possible. And would work if the domain was YoungMom.com or YoungMILF.com (both taken, don't bother looking)... otherwise they may not convert too well.

Cheers,
Matt

block · 01-28-2004, 10:29 AM

Wow thats pretty bad... :/ Do you think the surfer will be less likely to buy from other sites after seeing a crappy one like that?

BRISK · 01-28-2004, 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by block
Wow thats pretty bad... :/ Do you think the surfer will be less likely to buy from other sites after seeing a crappy one like that?

hmmm....ya think?

SleazyE · 01-28-2004, 10:44 AM

Buyer beware, but abandoned pay sites and shitty members areas are hurting the whole industry. It makes the surfers less likely to sign up for a site that they haven't heard of before

JSA Matt · 01-28-2004, 10:48 AM

BradShaw may say content is king, but I still believe retention is king.

Number1Thumb · 01-28-2004, 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt
BradShaw may say content is king, but I still believe retention is king.

retain em like this

Nysus · 01-28-2004, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyE
Buyer beware, but abandoned pay sites and shitty members areas are hurting the whole industry. It makes the surfers less likely to sign up for a site that they haven't heard of before

Yup. That's why I really wonder about conversions for all huge affiliate programs. They have a lot to do or should be doing.

Cheers,
Matt

- Jesus Christ - · 01-28-2004, 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by Number1Thumb
retain em like this

Some people are fucking retarded. Thats like opening a habib store on the corner and selling rotted out fruit and empty candybar wrappers, then expecting people to shop there again.

JSA Matt · 01-28-2004, 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by Number1Thumb
retain em like this

LOL, hit me up, i'll show you a real members area : )

matt AT jasonandalex.com

Nysus · 01-28-2004, 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt
BradShaw may say content is king, but I still believe retention is king.

Of course, but content is a part of retention, so Brad's somewhere anyway.

Number1 -

Cheers,
Matt

Nysus · 01-28-2004, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt

LOL, hit me up, i'll show you a real members area : )

matt AT jasonandalex.com

I'd like to see your member's area too. Maybe I'll get you into my run of next sites to promote.

Sending you an email .. hopefully you won't be mad.

Cheers,
Matt

Paul Markham · 01-28-2004, 11:09 AM

Can you really wonder why Visa imposed the 1%?

It's sites like this that make our job 10 times harder. Give the surfer what he wants and he will stay, piss him off and he will plug in a video.

JSA Matt · 01-28-2004, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
Can you really wonder why Visa imposed the 1%?

It's sites like this that make our job 10 times harder. Give the surfer what he wants and he will stay, piss him off and he will plug in a video.

I have two letters in regards to this.... OC. Figure it out.

No problem Nysus, anyone can hit me up if you want to take a look : )

Jason · 01-28-2004, 11:31 AM

So.. Let's clear the air..

Yes. That is one of PornDollar's members area.

Yes. There is MILF content.

Yes. There are broken thumbs.. But the videos all work..

Since Number1Thumb didn't post the whole members area... Let me show you guys what he missed.

Our designer left, and I am on the lookout for a new one.

PornDollar has a 46% conversion rate and a equally significant retention percentage.

Now.. the point of having all content into one area vs niched..

I have taken the side of the surfer on this.

If you were to signup for a "MILF" site site.. Would you want a max of 30 episodes (like the majority of reality sites) or would you want MILF and 670 other videos of other niches?

I would be pissed if I was billed 40 bucks a month for 30 scenes.

Another point is that ALL our videos use a DRM system.

In the long run that means that all videos are played in their full length, uncut, and at 768k!

So.. the moral of the story.. Yes.. Our members area is a bit messy while we screen cap over 400 movies.

The tours / sites convert.. that is what matters..

PornDollar has paid out over 1 Million dollars to webmasters last year..

I guess we are doing something right.

- Jason

JSA Matt · 01-28-2004, 11:46 AM

Damn PD, 46% conversion? Is that from Free to Paid or Paid to Monthly? That's killer....

Rich · 01-28-2004, 11:51 AM

So that's why he can only afford to pay $25/join.

Jason · 01-28-2004, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt
Damn PD, 46% conversion? Is that from Free to Paid or Paid to Monthly? That's killer....

Both.

Matt 26z · 01-28-2004, 12:00 PM

A big problem is the insurgence of sponsor programs designed on a budget over the last couple years.

The only thing they devote a meaningful amount of resources to is their sponsor program itself, and not their actual sites.

Trent Edison · 01-28-2004, 12:02 PM

If they want to make money, they definitely need to do something with that stuff. Good post man.

petepete · 01-28-2004, 12:23 PM

Please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like you have a typo on this page ('stright').

doober · 01-28-2004, 12:26 PM

if i signed up for a milf site and saw malezia there i would be pissed off as hell to...you should at least let the surfer into the milf backend and then allow him to the other sites once hes done there..

Joining a milf site and sending me to the members area of hardcoreteenvideos cant help either, im not saying your doing this but your screencap looks like it from what you have told us here.

Matt 26z · 01-28-2004, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PornDollar
If you were to signup for a "MILF" site site.. Would you want a max of 30 episodes (like the majority of reality sites) or would you want MILF and 670 other videos of other niches?

I would be pissed if I was billed 40 bucks a month for 30 scenes.

If someone is buying into a MILF site, then they want MILF. It's the MILF they opened their wallet for, and it's other stuff you are giving them to make up for an alleged lack of content.

An example of a legit way of doing this is Nasty Dollars. You pay for one site/niche, and you get everything else. Individually the sites can in fact carry their own, but it's a nice added bonus.

The problem is that smaller programs don't use the unrelated content as a bonus. Instead it's presented as a part of what you are actually paying to see. It's filler.

NiTe-HaWk · 01-28-2004, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Some people sign up and only intend to pay for the trial, therefore, they cancel right away incase they forget to later on and get rebilled.

I know alot of guys that do that or they signup and cancel the free membership then come back a day later and get another one.

JSA Matt · 01-28-2004, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NiTe-HaWk
I know alot of guys that do that or they signup and cancel the free membership then come back a day later and get another one.

I believe that is a result of not having enough updates. I am guilty of doing this to a site that would only have 5 updates in 3 months. Why pay $90 for 5 updates when I can just get a $4.95 trial in 3 months time?

RP Fade · 01-28-2004, 12:57 PM

Alot of programs don't care because they follow rules of simple math..more coming in than going out, cross sales, upsells, email spams, ect . We take pride in our member's sections and we treat each member like they were our last. We are going to be updating daily now...6-7 days a week and we go out of our way to make sure our retention remains as high as possible, regardless of what program we offer. Every one of our sites uses a CMS which makes updating much easier and more frequent..

JSA Matt · 01-28-2004, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RP Fade
Alot of programs don't care because they follow rules of simple math..more coming in than going out, cross sales, upsells, email spams, ect . We take pride in our member's sections and we treat each member like they were our last. We are going to be updating daily now...6-7 days a week and we go out of our way to make sure our retention remains as high as possible, regardless of what program we offer. Every one of our sites uses a CMS which makes updating much easier and more frequent..

[edit: Our CMS allows us to input years of content, have updates every single day, and not have to touch the members area until more content needs to be added]

01-28-2004, 09:50 AM	#1
Number1Thumb Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,135	Why do they cancel immediately after signing up you ask? Cause I just saw an intriguing site from a well known sponsor around here and decided I take a look. OMG Milf site featuring all Teen videos, 300 out of the 500 thumbnail previews are broken images. Over 50% of the links are 404's. And to think this guy was talking shit about all the other cookie cutter milf sites. Man if you guys really run your shit like this, I feel bad for ya. NO Milf's anywhere inside the members area Hey what do ya want for a free 1 day trial with 2 prechecked upsells at 40 bucks a pop not to mention the additional 40 after the 1 day trial. 120 Beans not bad

01-28-2004, 09:51 AM	#2
chowda Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gooch city Posts: 9,527	name name names __________________ Someone finds you... 2007 PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.

01-28-2004, 09:53 AM	#3
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	Yup, the majority of sites suck. Of course there are very good sites as well. You really need to check out any site before you promote it. You might get lucky with a hit but it might be a miss. Also, just because a sponsor has had good results for you in the past with old sites, any new sites they release might not be up to par or not the proper research went into the site's niche first. Check everything out. That's the best two cents I can give.. Cheers, Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

01-28-2004, 09:53 AM	#4
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01-28-2004, 09:54 AM	#7
B40 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 7,020	Some people sign up and only intend to pay for the trial, therefore, they cancel right away incase they forget to later on and get rebilled. __________________

01-28-2004, 09:53 AM	#5
RockDaddy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 750	Interesting and pretty smart actually. I need to look into that approach myself. The free trial didn't cost the surfer anything and after seeing that members area they are probably thrilled with the other sites.

01-28-2004, 09:58 AM	#11
Number1Thumb Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,135	Figure it out http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ighlight=trial

01-28-2004, 10:01 AM	#13
chowda Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gooch city Posts: 9,527	go on.. __________________ Someone finds you... 2007 PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.

01-28-2004, 10:11 AM	#17
liquidmoe Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 4,994	Just goes to show you that you gotta make sure to test the stuff before you promote it. Why waste you traffic if even you wouldnt want to keep a membership there. __________________ Take Luck!

01-28-2004, 10:17 AM	#19
hjnet Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 3,815	Unfortunately there are a lot of crappy paysites out there, cookie-cutter sites with shitty content etc. And there are for sure some TGPs with better content

01-28-2004, 10:21 AM	#21
- Jesus Christ - Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ::::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: ::::::\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|:::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::: Posts: 7,197	Its a good thing I don't promote PORNDOLLAR? __________________ Amen

01-28-2004, 10:24 AM	#24
candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,067	That tour design of that Porndollar site is garbage too. Looks like someone threw it together in an hour or so. Guess you have to compliment the garbage inside as well. __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

01-28-2004, 10:29 AM	#26
block Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Winnipeg, Canada - cough check sig cough Posts: 1,258	Wow thats pretty bad... :/ Do you think the surfer will be less likely to buy from other sites after seeing a crappy one like that?

01-28-2004, 10:44 AM	#28
SleazyE Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 53	Buyer beware, but abandoned pay sites and shitty members areas are hurting the whole industry. It makes the surfers less likely to sign up for a site that they haven't heard of before __________________

01-28-2004, 10:48 AM	#29
JSA Matt So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 5,464	BradShaw may say content is king, but I still believe retention is king.

01-28-2004, 11:09 AM	#36
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Can you really wonder why Visa imposed the 1%? It's sites like this that make our job 10 times harder. Give the surfer what he wants and he will stay, piss him off and he will plug in a video. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

01-28-2004, 11:31 AM	#38
Jason Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,287	So.. Let's clear the air.. Yes. That is one of PornDollar's members area. Yes. There is MILF content. Yes. There are broken thumbs.. But the videos all work.. Since Number1Thumb didn't post the whole members area... Let me show you guys what he missed. Our designer left, and I am on the lookout for a new one. PornDollar has a 46% conversion rate and a equally significant retention percentage. Now.. the point of having all content into one area vs niched.. I have taken the side of the surfer on this. If you were to signup for a "MILF" site site.. Would you want a max of 30 episodes (like the majority of reality sites) or would you want MILF and 670 other videos of other niches? I would be pissed if I was billed 40 bucks a month for 30 scenes. Another point is that ALL our videos use a DRM system. In the long run that means that all videos are played in their full length, uncut, and at 768k! So.. the moral of the story.. Yes.. Our members area is a bit messy while we screen cap over 400 movies. The tours / sites convert.. that is what matters.. PornDollar has paid out over 1 Million dollars to webmasters last year.. I guess we are doing something right. - Jason __________________ I stay busy. Last edited by Jason; 01-28-2004 at 11:34 AM..

01-28-2004, 11:46 AM	#39
JSA Matt So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 5,464	Damn PD, 46% conversion? Is that from Free to Paid or Paid to Monthly? That's killer....

01-28-2004, 11:51 AM	#40
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	So that's why he can only afford to pay $25/join.

01-28-2004, 12:00 PM	#42
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	A big problem is the insurgence of sponsor programs designed on a budget over the last couple years. The only thing they devote a meaningful amount of resources to is their sponsor program itself, and not their actual sites.

01-28-2004, 12:02 PM	#43
Trent Edison Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Freeport 7 Posts: 6,132	If they want to make money, they definitely need to do something with that stuff. Good post man. __________________

01-28-2004, 12:23 PM	#44
petepete Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: My Computer Posts: 246	Please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like you have a typo on this page ('stright'). __________________ Nothing here...

01-28-2004, 12:26 PM	#45
doober Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: in yoOoo kitchen Posts: 6,984	if i signed up for a milf site and saw malezia there i would be pissed off as hell to...you should at least let the surfer into the milf backend and then allow him to the other sites once hes done there.. Joining a milf site and sending me to the members area of hardcoreteenvideos cant help either, im not saying your doing this but your screencap looks like it from what you have told us here.

01-28-2004, 12:57 PM	#49
RP Fade Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,343	Alot of programs don't care because they follow rules of simple math..more coming in than going out, cross sales, upsells, email spams, ect . We take pride in our member's sections and we treat each member like they were our last. We are going to be updating daily now...6-7 days a week and we go out of our way to make sure our retention remains as high as possible, regardless of what program we offer. Every one of our sites uses a CMS which makes updating much easier and more frequent.. __________________ HomemadeCash.com - Homemade & GF sites powered by NScash.com HomemadeVideoPass.com - The only all homemade mega site OurHomemadePorno.com - Real couples fucking on camera Contact ICQ: 400-786-531 Email: fade AT nscash.com