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I forgot my to take my paxil (not kidding)
FUcking adicctive shit. I never had any befoer they put me on this garbage, now that I'm trying to get off it glaxo smith kline has me by the balls.
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I seriously just ordered that. THis is messed up. Out of nowhere I suddlenly felt like somthing wicked bad was going ot happen and I don't know what or why, but I'm afraid of it. Crazy stuff.Originally posted by goBigtime
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books
Buy that book & no more panic attacks.
It felt like.... when you take acid and you know your going to keep tripping but you just want to come down. Thats the only thing I could compare it too.
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I know exactly what you mean bro. Don't feel alone millions of people suffer from the same shit. I had some bad ones my self and the thing that gets me I always use logic and that shit defies logic so it double wammies me.Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
I seriously just ordered that. THis is messed up. Out of nowhere I suddlenly felt like somthing wicked bad was going ot happen and I don't know what or why, but I'm afraid of it. Crazy stuff.
It felt like.... when you take acid and you know your going to keep tripping but you just want to come down. Thats the only thing I could compare it too.Trust no one there all snakesComment
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Maybe something bad is going to happen.Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
I seriously just ordered that. THis is messed up. Out of nowhere I suddlenly felt like somthing wicked bad was going ot happen and I don't know what or why, but I'm afraid of it. Crazy stuff.
It felt like.... when you take acid and you know your going to keep tripping but you just want to come down. Thats the only thing I could compare it too.
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A few months back, there was a big thread about adult webmasters that suffered from anxiety/panic attacks.
It was interesting to read whether or not this type of work contributed to anxiety attacks vs the theory that this type of work attracks individuals prone to these types of attacks.
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Cool, that book was very helpful for me many years ago.Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
I seriously just ordered that. THis is messed up. Out of nowhere I suddlenly felt like somthing wicked bad was going ot happen and I don't know what or why, but I'm afraid of it. Crazy stuff.
It felt like.... when you take acid and you know your going to keep tripping but you just want to come down. Thats the only thing I could compare it too.
But you should probably stay away from acid if you're prone to panic attacks though
Are you sure it was out of the blue? Did you smoke or drink anything before it came on?... err do you smoke cigs even? Do you drink caffienated drinks?
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paxil isnt addictive ... you will feel weird as fuck for a while if you run out or forget to take it (and of course have recurring panic attacks)
if you have panic disorder not a damn thing you can do other than take one of these meds. Unless you want to take crazy ass advice like meditation or religion, which im not into.
Paxil kept me straight for 8 years, no prob, 20mg/day ... rare occurences of mild panic attacks... then into this biz, less active, panic attacks recurred and they put me on xanax ... now THAT shit sucks and is very addictive.
Im talking to my shrink about getting off it, checked my thyroid last week and possibly going to try to slowly replace the zanax with effexor (i think thats what she said, there are so many ssri/snri's) ... and EXCERCISE.
I feel for you, no one can understand this unless theyve been through it. and someone said you cant use logic ... its true... i just had a 100% clean bill of health checkup last week, i guarantee ill have at least a small panic attack this week.
as far as i know, its a life long condition, your seratonin is just plain fucked, accept it, find the right medication (i started on zoloft but that didnt work) ... avoid the shit that triggers attacks (sloth, caffeine and weed for me) and you'll live a nice long happy life.
this 'disease' sucks ass, but hey man i can think of a lot worse shit, i thank god i got this instead of cancer or god knows what else.
best of luck bro, try not to get frustrated, there are so many meds for this that certainly one will work for ya, and the worst side effect i have is it takes a while to get a nut ... the girls are real sad about that
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Or you could learn to understand why they happen so you can deal with them like 'normal' people do.Originally posted by Mikey_219Inc
if you have panic disorder not a damn thing you can do other than take one of these meds. Unless you want to take crazy ass advice like meditation or religion, which im not into.
Or, in the event that it is due to a new sensitivity or allergy - you can try to determine what the problem substance is and remove it from your diet or environment.
Mike you basically said.. . "Nothing you can do but take one of these $400 a month meds for the rest of your life.. there is no cure."
Where did you hear that?
The companies that make those meds love it when their brainwashing campaigns work out so well.
Think about it man.. ,they are all about the recurring billing, they want to treat you for life - they don't want you to get better - ever
Doctors are basically bribed and seduced by some of the hottest girls (and guys I suppose) in the world to spoonfeed you the belief that XYZ condition is not cureable, but its treatable for only $xxx/mo for the rest of your life.Last edited by goBigtime; 01-23-2004, 10:51 PM.Comment
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I couldnt blow a load when i was on paxil. Talk about adding to depression
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I agree, and I'd suggest letting your mind just go. I used to have panic attacks years ago, very bad ones. Then I had the hives not too long ago. The panic attacks were a fucking breeze compared to the hives. You can control your mind but your body will betray you.Originally posted by goBigtime
Or you could learn to understand why they happen so you can deal with them like 'normal' people do.
Now I just have procrastination attacks, and they aren't that bad at all.Comment
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Ya, I get them too. When they sneak up on me they can be debilitating.Originally posted by Kimmykim
Now I just have procrastination attacks, and they aren't that bad at all.
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Yep but they don't light my skin on fire for days and they surely don't make the walls start to collapse on top of meOriginally posted by Turboface
Ya, I get them too. When they sneak up on me they can be debilitating.
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Speak for yourselfOriginally posted by Kimmykim
Now I just have procrastination attacks, and they aren't that bad at all.
I used to have some pretty serious panic attacks too. It got so bad I would wake up in the middle of the night, heart pounding a million times a minute.
That's the big one there.. your heart starts racing & then you think you're having a heart attack and you're about to DIE - so it scares you even more.. big vicious cycle those panic attacks
The thing to remember is -- unless you just did something that could reall kill you, then odds are that you're probably not going to die.... not then anyway.Comment
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I just started having those... it's stress dood.... I got a baby on the way.. getting married.... today the doc put me on zoloft... and valumn when I feel em comming on.... I have been to the ER 3 times in the last month thinking I was having a heart attack.... I still can't get it out my head that it's only anxeity so I am having a stress test on my heart on monday.... and a full CBC tomorrowComment
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And for anyone that has panic attacks... you might consider cutting out ALL dairy products from your diet for a month and see how it goes.
But that's another discussion/debate.
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I have extensive anxiety as well.
It really sucks, but I will not jump on the drug band waggon, nI ride em out.
Here is what I do.
First of all stop thinking something was put in your system, or wondering if ya drank a we bit to much coffee.
At best I have found it a good idea to try and re regulate my system by going up and down the stairs a few times, or go outside to walk. Its kinda like rebooting your system at least thats what I tell myself.
Anyways do anything in your power to take your mind off your heart rate. Do not sit and listen to your heart beat in the pillow thats where shit will really fuck you up.
Grab up a book or watch something outside
make sure ya get some water also.
Drink water.
There is nothing more terrifying than anxiety attacks. Luckily it seems to run in the family and I was able to figure it out what it is.
But even knowing what it is does not help when the shit happening.
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Did your doctor do a complete physical with blood work before ruling just panic attacks ?
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Sorry to hear Dirty.... I've been there. You feel like a fool leaving the EROriginally posted by Dirty_DS
I just started having those... it's stress dood.... I got a baby on the way.. getting married.... today the doc put me on zoloft... and valumn when I feel em comming on.... I have been to the ER 3 times in the last month thinking I was having a heart attack.... I still can't get it out my head that it's only anxeity so I am having a stress test on my heart on monday.... and a full CBC tomorrow
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I mean its very real when its happening... you're SURE its a heart attack.. what else are you supposed to do?
But then again... what is that belief based on? I've never HAD a heart attack so I don't know what one feels like.
We were created or evolved to survive and outwit lions and tigers and other baddies chasing us down for lunch...
It's all about our bodies being juiced up with massive amounts of adrenaline because the fight or flight mechinisim gets triggered when it shouldn't have been.
So what casues that false trigger?
That's the subject of many debates.
BUT , just knowing its there, and picturing it as a trigger that you may be able to partially control (at least when it really isn't a life or death situation) - should help tons.
I personally think that this 'trigger' has become more sensitive false alarms due to our diets these days. People eat and drink so much poison these days it's crazy.
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That reminds me...
I was driving through the SF bay area the other day & a mild panic attack hit me "out of the blue"... or so you would think.
I hadn't drank anything or ate anything out of the ordinary, and I haven't had a panic attack out of the blue in a long time - probably a couple of years.
The thing is... the part of that little road trip where I had the panic attack has some big polluting factories right along side the freeway. You can basically smell the shit in the air.
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i use to have a minor problem
feeling on edge all the time like a generalised anxiety not a panic attack just a feeling of being too nervous all the time
only happened for about 12 months then passed
doctors think it was stress
but i tend to agree that it was environmental changes and the shit that is in our diets
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I agree meds are good when you are in the acute phase, but it is important to learn why this is happening...what is happening etc.Originally posted by goBigtime
Or you could learn to understand why they happen so you can deal with them like 'normal' people do.
I went through some seriously bad shit for about a year due to panic attacks...in and out of emergency rooms hospitals etc...anyway I was prescribed buspar and this was a life saver...however as soon as I could I got off of it.
I have had only a few serious panic attacks since then, but I've learned to know what's happening...why it's happening.
Lack of sleep, poor diet, no exercise, no socializing a lot of these things can trigger panic attacks...you just have to adjust your life and learn to live with them..because I don't think they truly ever go away.
I still have them, just small ones that last minutes instead of whole days.
Usually I'll just stop what it is I'm doing..maybe turn on some music...go lie down and take a nap, grab the family and talk them into going out shopping etc.
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there may be some people confusing anxiety attacks and genuine panic disorder.
I know drug companies are scum, i know they are in bed with doctors, and i tried damn near everything because i was scared shitless of taking pills when i first was "diagnosed"
everyone has anxiety attacks. life is stressful. a panic disorder however is when your seratonin is FUCKED UP and these particular medications do work for me.
there is no reason for the panic attacks when you have true panic disorder .. they can be triggered and you can learn to reduce them with excercise and eliminate foods/caffiene, i agree .. i have done all these things in my life since my first panic attack, and i still was not able to live without attacks without at least 20mg paxil.
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Some people do have real chemical imbalances.
I did for a while. The reason I was on paxil was for physical symptoms (gastrointestinal symptoms, IE. Crappy Pants) and it did work, becasue serotonin is used to filter the messages all over your body. Not jsut the brain. The problem is that reducing your usage of SSRIs is harder than they want you to think. Your body has to get used to producing more serotonin.
The only negative effects of SSRIs (other than the cost) is that after 10+ years of steady use your body will start to think that certain nerves in your brain are damaged becasue the excess of serotonin will casue them to fire more often. The body kills off nerves that are "out of order". I have not been on paxil for longer than 6 or 7 months and it cured my physical symptoms so I am getting off it, But if I had cronic anxiety or panic I'm almost certain I would stay on this or another ssri becasue they do work.
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they say paxil isnt addictive, but when I stopped taking it my whole world changed. and buspar was just as bad. plus, when i quit, i had these unbearable urges to smoke. just hang in and soon you'll feel better....don't forget your meds again!Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
I forgot my to take my paxil (not kidding)
FUcking adicctive shit. I never had any befoer they put me on this garbage, now that I'm trying to get off it glaxo smith kline has me by the balls.Comment
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Nope no confusion here...I was able to make it out of the acute stage on medications...but I chose not to live on medications for the rest of my life.Originally posted by Mikey_219Inc
there may be some people confusing anxiety attacks and genuine panic disorder.
I was diagnosed with panic disorder, and still suffer from it to this day...going on almost 6 years now.
But now that I understand exactly what they are, I am able to keep them from escalating to a point where I am needing to be sedated.
Been there done that...got tired of dying and started living...that was the key thing.
Don't get me wrong. I am not against medication...however I don't think what works for you may work for others and vice versa...and just because someone can live with their panic attacks without medication does not mean it's just plain ol' every day anxiety vs the garden variety medical diagnosed kind. ;)For rent - ICQ 127-027-910
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I just want it to end soon... it all started with a pain in my chest that got me thinking abut it... then I went into panic attack and have not been able to break it since.... it's stuck in my head that it's my heart and I have had 3 EKG's and a chest x-ray now I am going to do a stress test on the heart and blood work to see and to set my mind at ease I think once that happends I will be ok.... untill then it's valumn and zoloft... which is like viagra I swear to god.....Comment
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i dont want to discredit anyone who has legit panic disorder and is living without meds ... i think thats fucking great. But when you first have them, you dont know what the fuck is going on ... healthy as an ox in the emergency room. Im not ready to be off the meds yet, thats just me ... didnt mean to single anyone out about "misunderstanding the difference" between anxiety attacks and panic disorder ...Comment
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Hey man no problems hereOriginally posted by Mikey_219Inc
i dont want to discredit anyone who has legit panic disorder and is living without meds ... i think thats fucking great. But when you first have them, you dont know what the fuck is going on ... healthy as an ox in the emergency room. Im not ready to be off the meds yet, thats just me ... didnt mean to single anyone out about "misunderstanding the difference" between anxiety attacks and panic disorder ...
I know exactly what you mean about when they first occured...I can tell you horror stories about where I didn't leave the house for over a month..emergency room trips 3-4 times a week...how I became afraid to go to sleep because I thought I was going to die..got to the point I was admitted to the hospital due to exhaustion.
When I finally did venture out of the house to go anywhere I wouldn't drive, I had to know where the nearest hospitals were enroute to wherever it was we were going...I was a total fucking mess.
My family didn't think it was such a big thing until they watched me first hand go through it. Once they saw how it really was for me they were totally shocked.
The most I get now is heart racing a bit of hyper ventilation but I recognize it now...it's kinda like being a kid watching a scary movie for the first time...and now I'm all grown up and know that the monsters were just men in costumes...that's what the panic attacks are like for me now.
I know they feel real..and my body is reacting to it, but I also know that other than that, I'm not dying...I'm not having a heart attack..that if I just lie down and relax it will all be over soon enough.
But I tell you seriously...if I ever got back into that acute phase again...you'd see my ass downing a handful of xanax and some buspar...LOL..I just pray to God it never gets to that point again.For rent - ICQ 127-027-910
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I'd hate to see what they diagnosed me with if I went. ADHD, panic disorder, whatever. I fucking love it. I wouldn't get a tenth of the work done I do now if I was doped up on all that b/s the doctors try to stick down your throat.Originally posted by eroswebmaster
Nope no confusion here...I was able to make it out of the acute stage on medications...but I chose not to live on medications for the rest of my life.
I was diagnosed with panic disorder, and still suffer from it to this day...going on almost 6 years now.
But now that I understand exactly what they are, I am able to keep them from escalating to a point where I am needing to be sedated.
Been there done that...got tired of dying and started living...that was the key thing.
Don't get me wrong. I am not against medication...however I don't think what works for you may work for others and vice versa...and just because someone can live with their panic attacks without medication does not mean it's just plain ol' every day anxiety vs the garden variety medical diagnosed kind. ;)
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haha yeah and blow a shitload of coke, you'll be fineOriginally posted by mastamindz
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When you use a computer day by day for hours removed from exiting in normal reality and conversating with alert karma and quick thinking, with less acceptance for personal feelings and emotions you easily let in alone on a computer... After lots of computer use, deep into getting things done in front of your face digitally definately can cause anxiety I think...Originally posted by Centurion
A few months back, there was a big thread about adult webmasters that suffered from anxiety/panic attacks.
It was interesting to read whether or not this type of work contributed to anxiety attacks vs the theory that this type of work attracks individuals prone to these types of attacks.
Input anyone?
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i hear ya, sounds like youve just learned to manage it, i gotta give you credit for that, anyone who has true panic disorder knows its not easy ... ive tried at times to stop the med(s) but couldnt talk myself out of the attacks. ive had this 14 years, i know im healthy as a horse (just had regular physical this week) ... but - it just makes no sense. you know.Originally posted by eroswebmaster
...if I ever got back into that acute phase again...you'd see my ass downing a handful of xanax and some buspar...LOL..I just pray to God it never gets to that point again.
i think i may end up where you are at eventually, everyone is a little different and has their own experience. Its good to hear that youve got it under control, and honestly, sometimes just having the bottle of xanax there helps, because you know you can chill out if you start bugging.
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Originally posted by Mikey_219Inc
there is no reason for the panic attacks when you have true panic disorder ..
they can be triggered and you can learn to reduce them with excercise and eliminate foods/caffiene, i agree .. i have done all these things in my life since my first panic attack, and i still was not able to live without attacks without at least 20mg paxil.
Think about how cigarettes work Mikey...
People smoke them to relax or relieve stress... but if they try to quit them what happens? The complete and extreme opposite.
Some people even believe that they can't live without smoking. They can not function without smoking etc.
In many cases with these 'mind drugs' the withdrawls from trying to quit them can be much worse than anything you were trying to prevent in the first place.
If Paxil works for you - great.
But now you are convinced and scared into believing that you can not function without Paxil.
But of course... within a few years there will be some new company with some new drug & some new drug pushing girls, and all of a sudden your doctor will be saying "Mikey, I'd like you to give Scamazone 10mg a try... we're starting to give it to everyone who is currently taking Paxil and seeing great results!"
It's all about the recurring billing and cross sells.
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Originally posted by Mikey_219Inc
i dont want to discredit anyone who has legit panic disorder and is living without meds ... i think thats fucking great. But when you first have them, you dont know what the fuck is going on ... healthy as an ox in the emergency room. Im not ready to be off the meds yet, thats just me ... didnt mean to single anyone out about "misunderstanding the difference" between anxiety attacks and panic disorder ...
I'm just saying don't tell yourself you can't live without paxil or whatever other drug - because if you tell yourself that, ESPECIALLY if you are prone to anxiety attacks (because you probably have an over active mind) - then you will believe it when it might not be true.
If you haven't read that book I suggested up there.. you might give it a try.
When I first had my panic attacks, "anxiety" and "panic attacks" were still new... the drug companies hadn't had a chance to fully develop the market for the treatments yet...
So I had to solve the problem on my own, by reading and making changes to my lifestyle.
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chill out, do some daily exercises,think about something positive and smoke some weed..also music is good.
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GREAT analogy there Eros!Originally posted by eroswebmaster
The most I get now is heart racing a bit of hyper ventilation but I recognize it now...it's kinda like being a kid watching a scary movie for the first time...and now I'm all grown up and know that the monsters were just men in costumes...that's what the panic attacks are like for me now.
That's exactly it.
At first you learn to recognize the signs panic attack is coming on and instead of feeding your body with more adrenaline by being afraid of the panic attack itself, you just take it as a cue to go get some air, drink some water or whatever you need to do.
Each time you do that successfully - you'll get a little stronger... to the point where having a panic attack is a very rare occurrance.
The most important thing is to realize you're not going to die. Not today anyway, not because of the panic attack.
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i appreciate your input gobigtime
im not telling myself that i cant live without these meds, i know all about how the drug companies work, its all about maintaining, rebilling, and not curing shit.
i look forward to not depending on meds, and i have tried to ween off them in the past ...but when that panic came rearing back, scaring the fuck out of ya, ... its easier to take the pill.
I will always try to ween off this stuff, but for now, (might have missed it in the thread) im trying to get off the xanax. When i got into this biz, sitting on my ass, gaining weight, working 18 hours a day, took a turn for the worse and had to add xanax to the lineup. Now im limiting my online work and giving it to others to do and im just managing it. when im filming i have no probs at all .. being active is definitely an antidote to anxiety.
so first step is to get off the xanax, then, i can think later on about lowering the dosage of paxil or effexor which my doctor is now recommending.
Id love to be off the meds, but if the panic recurs when i am eating right, excercising daily, off the xanax, ill continue to take ssri's or snri's. Even though pharmaceutical companies are scum, these meds have allowed me to function whereas otherwise i was hanging out in the closet thinking the sky was falling
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Weed gives me panic attacks.Originally posted by klinton
chill out, do some daily exercises,think about something positive and smoke some weed..also music is good.
For some I guess it helps them.. for me its baaaaaad.
But that's like what I was saying to Mikey -- I'm telling myself, convincing myself, that weed will give me a panic attack.
So if I were to smoke a little weed, then all of a sudden I am going to be on the lookout for changes to my state of mind & consider any changes a possible massive panic attack on the way....
well of course weed will change your state of mind.... thats why people smoke it.
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yes, I have some friend who had once smoked weed and then he felt that he dies ;(...So exactly , there is some danger on using psychedelics, when you suffer on some various mental problems ...But if you have good mood or good samo-control and if u have experience in using them, there shouldn't be so bad, although there si laways some chance for bad tripOriginally posted by goBigtime
Weed gives me panic attacks.(...)
So if I were to smoke a little weed, then all of a sudden I am going to be on the lookout for changes to my state of mind & consider any changes a possible massive panic attack on the way....(...).
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