It strikes me that you're too young or something to realize how truly fucked up that is. If you had the wherewithal to call UPS and complain, you should have had enough thought to realize that picking up a gun to go met him was truly stupid and frightening. If you were afraid enough for your life to feel the need to have a gun, then don't go, call the police. It's situations like these, plus one messed up culture, that causes the US to have such high crime rates.

If you had shot him, you'd been convicted. Protecting your pets, while I love my cats and would feel like killing the bastard myself, is not justifiable in taking another's life. Especially since you have shown to have given this thought and wasn't spur of the moment.

It's also sad that few GFYers appear to call you out on this.

I have been bit by a dog before so I would have done the same thing. Im sure the the delivery drivers and mailmen get this a few times a day.

You have to remember that even though you think your dogs are not dangerous, there is no way the ups guy can know that.

And you putting a gun in your jacket.. smart idea.. he is a UPS driver not a guy in a ski mask. How to make a situation worse.

Now answer this..... Say UPS guy gets bit...can't work for a few days..that effects his ability to put food on the table. Not to mention the rabies shots hurt like hell from what I hear. I say good for him for procting himself... there have been too many dog attack stories for him to do nothing. :thumbsup

What kind of dogs are they?

Ya know what...
Dude comes on your property with a hand gun you got the right to self defense. She could have shot him in self defense and filed suit...
Its up to UPS to screen and hire honorable folk that adhere to there standards as advertised. Yes UPS is at fault for hiring a dip fuck that could hurt someone or even a pet.
The story would be very different if he had accidently droped the gun or accidently pulled a trigger...
A Drawn weapon is VERY serious.

That's a pretty foolish situation. He should have had a cell phone and simply called inside.

By the same token, you shouldn't have taken a gun out there with you.

What were you going to do shoot him?

I agree, he did not threaten HER with the gun. I've seen stupider cases won though.

I don't know where you live, but that's NOT the law in GA. She would have been convicted had she shot someone in her yard in GA if they had a gun - especially since that gun wasn't aimed at her and she was INSIDE the house. Remember, she saw him with the gun before she walked outside. She was in NO danger until she put herself into it.

And the same story would have ended differently had Tala's gun fired.

I think you need to reread your GFY law books

To clarify: I grabbed the .38 to protect myself in case he got happy and decided to turn the gun on me when I went out for the package. I had no intention of showing it, or anything else of that nature. Matter of fact, I didn't show it. It stayed in my pocket.

In retrospect, I shouldn't have even gone out there to begin with. But if I hadn't, would he have shot my dogs?

It was a very fucked situation, and I think I did the best that my frantic mind would come up with at the time. Condemn me if you want, that's your choice. But I'm not worried about it, simply because I think I did okay, all things considered. :2 cents:

What a dumb shit!!

50 lost jobs

Sounds like you handled it well.

If he didn't like the dogs, he could put the truck in reverse and leave.

Don't remember reading you even let the driver know you had a gun. Much rather to have one and not need it, than need it and not have it!

Watch your back for a few days though, if the guy lost his job, he will know why, and obviously isn't playing with a full deck!

i just can't get over that this guy drives around with a handgun.

and that you have one as well.

i grew up in northern ontario, in the middle on nowhere,,, i never had to carry a gun...lol

damn... yea, I would have made sure he saw the 38 in your jacket... not out... just saw it tucked in. Our postal service carries mace in case of a dog attack...

I hope that prick gets his ass fired. Shit like that pisses me right the fuck off :mad:

Lol yeah, wouldnt want to get attacked by an out of control deer!

;)

I'm sorry but the majority of Americans are fucking crazy!

Hehehe :winkwink:

Actually, the main reason for having a gun with the deer is for when they run into your car (which is constantly) and then they go nuts while they're dying or you want to put them out of their pain.

Or you want some good venison for dinner. :thumbsup

Here is the "typical" US fundamentals. Ohh..I need a gun for security resaons-- I need dogs for security reasons..I need Alarms for security reasons.

It ends up with deaths of inoccent people because everyone is "afraid"..

:2 cents:

Only in America and 3rd world countries will your ups guy and you stand near eachother both with a gun.

This is just insane. Fucking mental patients, both of you.

You people and your fucking guns

I know understand why all you pro gun guys say you need one...to protect yourself.

Funny how in normal countries your ups guy wont carry a gun hence you dont need to protect yourself with a gun.

Think about.

you just break there neck-- that's how we do it in Europe.

Ever seen the movie Long Kiss Godnight?

go figure.

:winkwink:

Fuck morality or the law, you should have just shot him for being a prick. :feels-hot

Only in America:1orglaugh

he must've been bitten before. lol. you get 'em Tala

no!, you are just a hard motha fucka. :1orglaugh

Not everyone lives in a city. Some people live in rural areas where there are wild boars, dogs, wolves, bears, mountain lions etc and guns can be very necessary for protection not just against other americans with guns. Also there are so many guns in the US that you could never hope to get rid of them all and to outlaw them would put innocent people in danger while criminals aren't going to give up their guns. The old bumper sticker is correct. "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"

Bull shit. If you fear for your life you can shoot anybody pointing a gun on your property. Let's see, if she had opted to just open the door and shoot the fucker in his head he would have fallen out of the truck, gun in hand. Now how do you think the cops would see that when they showed up? A UPS guy with a gun. Please, how hard is it to prove you fear someone who has a gun out while they are supposed to be delivering packages.

I carry a penis and that's enough to scar away most predators.

:glugglug

GFY Law books?
GFY Law Book would be a darwin award of explanations...

If the guy set foot on her property with a drawn weapon she has immediate right to self defense within bounds masured by the assault, or at least place an immediate call to the local police.
Brandishing a fire arm is assault.

NOTE:

"The defense of property is a possible justification for breaking the law. Defendants who use this defense are arguing that they should not be held liable for a crime, since the actions taken were intended to protect the defendant's property. Courts have generally ruled that "deadly force" is not acceptable in defending property, although it may be acceptable in self-defense"

Self-defense is a possible justification for what would otherwise be breaking the law. Defendants who use this defense argue that they should not be held liable for what is normally a crime, since the actions taken were intended to protect the defendant or others from danger.
Self-defense usually refers to the use of violence to protect oneself; this forms the basis for many of the martial arts. Self-defense is generally understood to have two degrees: reasonable force (or non-lethal force ) and deadly force . Courts generally find that the violence a defendant uses, in self-defense, must in some fashion be comparable to the threat faced, so that deadly force should only be used in situations of "extreme" danger. Many courts have ruled that a " path of retreat " exists, and that self-defense is only acceptable, as a legal defense, when there was insufficient opportunity for the defendant to flee. However, in defense of property, the " castle exception " (see: Edward Coke) argues that one cannot be expected to retreat from one's own home.

All dogs bark at the UPS truck due to the pitch of the tones that it makes. UPS drivers know this and that guy should have just honked his horn or left a sorry we missed you note at the gate.



My dogs go nuts when the UPS truck drives down the street and they are harmless.