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01-22-2004, 08:47 PM

I bought a topspot at Sleazydream.com today .. for this gallery : http://www.teeniecore.com/05012004/black_teens.html

I know that the way I send the users from the gallery generates alot of free-riders to the tour. But never the less this gallery has been really good to me at other TGPS. (Forwarding all these free-riders too catches the ones who really didn't wanna buy)

Now take a look at these stats for the gallery :

How can this be? Who is cheating here?

I know for sure that Sleazys traffic is above average in quality - been there before, will be there again! ..

This gallery shouldn't have pulled less than 10-15 signups already.

1:7000 is simply not possible with a site like EBT.

The strange thing is that my RATIO with EBT jumps up and down from day to day .. not just a little, but 1:350 on day and 1:2000 the next .. and now 1:7000 with a top spot at sleazy .. everybody knows that the top spot is the best quality.

Spare me for "you don't know how to make galleries" lessons - cause we are just going to compare stats then ;) (Besides these ones ;))

Can anybody tell me whats wrong here? Is anyone cheating me?

Is it CCBILLs new system fucking up?

I did contact CCBILL .. but I, ofcourse, get their : Everything is fine is our end.

I've tried to contact XesCash several times via ICQ - no answer.

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01-22-2004, 08:48 PM

This has the making of a good thread.
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01-22-2004, 08:49 PM

ccbill is good his traffic is good

are you sure that gal does great numbers on other TGP's?

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01-22-2004, 08:50 PM

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01-22-2004, 08:50 PM

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01-22-2004, 08:50 PM

Hmmm have there been any hosting issues with your host or ccbill today?

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01-22-2004, 08:51 PM

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LOL

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01-22-2004, 08:52 PM

Icq me and we can discuss it.
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01-22-2004, 08:52 PM

WOW your getting burned, the cost of that listing and bandwidth for 1 signup....

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01-22-2004, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by boneprone
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I think only the elite understand this...
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01-22-2004, 08:55 PM

Could it just be that maybe Sleazys traffic needs a different kind of gallery?

Honestly, and NO offense to you at all but I don't see how that gallery converts. This is just my PERSONAL opinion- but maybe trying a different style, same sponsor might help.

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I think only the elite understand this...

yeah now where is AaronM
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01-22-2004, 08:57 PM

some stuff works - some doesn't.

some galleries work on some sites and not on others.

the same gallery one day will make 40 sales and 2 the next - i don't know why?

that's life.

there'a a possible thousand reasons why it might not have worked.

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01-22-2004, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by Brad Xtremepay
Could it just be that maybe Sleazys traffic needs a different kind of gallery?

Honestly, and NO offense to you at all but I don't see how that gallery converts. This is just my PERSONAL opinion- but maybe trying a different style, same sponsor might help.

EDIT: yeah now where is AaronM

I understand your concern about my gallery But trust me it works .. I promoting shit in all shorts of ways .. and sometimes its good to send as much to the tour as possible to get those people who not intended to buy - but ten got a hardon they couldn't resist ..

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01-22-2004, 09:00 PM

I like EBT

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01-22-2004, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream
some stuff works - some doesn't.

some galleries work on some sites and not on others.

that's life.

there'a a possible thousand reasons why it might not have worked.

I agreee, but 1:7000 sounds way off too me .. this gallery did 3 signups at Pichunter with 10-15k of traffic .. 2 signups at bunnyteens with 25k of traffic .. etc etc

Please note that this is not an attack on your traffic quality

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01-22-2004, 09:02 PM

biskoppen knows his gallery shit, he's no newbie, trust me. Something must be fucked on the CCBILL end.
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01-22-2004, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by biskoppen
I bought a topspot at Sleazydream.com today .. for this gallery : http://www.teeniecore.com/05012004/black_teens.html

I know that the way I send the users from the gallery generates alot of free-riders to the tour. But never the less this gallery has been really good to me at other TGPS. (Forwarding all these free-riders too catches the ones who really didn't wanna buy)

Now take a look at these stats for the gallery :

How can this be? Who is cheating here?

I know for sure that Sleazys traffic is above average in quality - been there before, will be there again! ..

This gallery shouldn't have pulled less than 10-15 signups already.

1:7000 is simply not possible with a site like EBT.

The strange thing is that my RATIO with EBT jumps up and down from day to day .. not just a little, but 1:350 on day and 1:2000 the next .. and now 1:7000 with a top spot at sleazy .. everybody knows that the top spot is the best quality.

Spare me for "you don't know how to make galleries" lessons - cause we are just going to compare stats then ;) (Besides these ones ;))

Can anybody tell me whats wrong here? Is anyone cheating me?

Is it CCBILLs new system fucking up?

I did contact CCBILL .. but I, ofcourse, get their : Everything is fine is our end.

I've tried to contact XesCash several times via ICQ - no answer.

How much did the gallery spot cost you? Looks like alot of traffic
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01-22-2004, 09:03 PM

Note: Last 2 days been terrible conversions.
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01-22-2004, 09:04 PM

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Note: Last 2 days been terrible conversions.

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01-22-2004, 09:06 PM

there are people who appear to buy the same listings day-in/day-out on sleazydream. obviously they are converting well enough to make a profit.

i'm thinking you gallery simply doesn't convert on sleazy's traffic... doesn't mean it's not working very well for others. just a thought. another possiblity is ccbill is not showing signs, or hosting was fucked...

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01-22-2004, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream
some stuff works - some doesn't.

some galleries work on some sites and not on others.

the same gallery one day will make 40 sales and 2 the next - i don't know why?

that's life.

there'a a possible thousand reasons why it might not have worked.

i agree 100%

biskoppen, i am not sure what you are suggesting. That program has some affiliates with excellent ratios

If you think that there is a problem, then it can be troubleshot?the fact of the matter is that some days are very lucrative, and some days sales can be weak?happens in every business, it can easily be argued that the variance is greater in the online environment

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01-22-2004, 09:17 PM

Signups with CCBill were really low today, lowest ever for me... I just finished talking to someone on icq and his sales were down 90% with CCBill as well today. So its either a really bad sales day or something is up...
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01-22-2004, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by stevo
Signups with CCBill were really low today, lowest ever for me... I just finished talking to someone on icq and his sales were down 90% with CCBill as well today. So its either a really bad sales day or something is up...

and others will say its been great

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01-22-2004, 09:20 PM

Hey you never know, tomorrow you could get 20 signups off that 2nd day listing.

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01-22-2004, 09:22 PM

how could it have been a problem with his hosting if ccbill tracked 7000+ click thrus from the gallery to the sponsor?

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01-22-2004, 09:25 PM

just buy spots everyday, it evens out

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01-22-2004, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by the Shemp
just buy spots everyday, it evens out

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01-22-2004, 09:48 PM

Finishing the third day of the worst ccbill days I have had in months, I have averaged 2-7 ccbill signups every single day since the first and have not had a single sale in 3 days. Even the 3 trial's I got 4 days ago didnt reoccur which is pretty fucking unlikely.

This is not on one sponsor, I promote several sponsors on 2 different ccbill acounts and everything just stopped after the 19th.

Traffic is the same as always, its actually up, mostly se traffic, I have been pulling ccbill links all day, Im tired of this shit

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01-22-2004, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by boneprone
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01-22-2004, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by Nasty

Traffic is the same as always, its actually up, mostly se traffic, I have been pulling ccbill links all day, Im tired of this shit

not smart - procesors like galleries and hosting companies and EVERYONE else have good and bad days. you might find that the day after you pull everything you have to put it back.

ccbill is a good company

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01-22-2004, 10:06 PM

its been a really good week so far for ccbill stats.

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01-22-2004, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by corvett

i agree 100%

biskoppen, i am not sure what you are suggesting. That program has some affiliates with excellent ratios

If you think that there is a problem, then it can be troubleshot?the fact of the matter is that some days are very lucrative, and some days sales can be weak?happens in every business, it can easily be argued that the variance is greater in the online environment

corvett, I don't want to say anything that will sound bad towards CCBill or anything but sometimes there is DEFINATELY something up with CCBill. I stopped promoting anything to do with them when our accounts would magically convert 10x worse overnight and not recover for weeks sometimes. I blame it on scrub, but every time you say that the scrub is not adjusted etc.

I analyze shit too much sometimes but when my conversions go from 1:60 to 1:1000 literally overnight after months of steady conversions I feel I can safely say something is funky. And no, this isn't TGP traffic and it's a variety of sources that all end up the same, shit conversions.

I do know that I won't even try CCBill unless there is an amazing program that I just have to push because I hate wasting time. When I have to go cut off 40 PPC campaigns all pushing traffic to CCBill sites because they go from +60% profit to -200% profit and just stay there for awhile I get a little irritated.

By no means am I saying this is exclusive to CCBill but you are always here to say that nothing is up no matter how many people experience the same thing. One of my main sponsors was having the same effect yesterday, I did a little test and found out that 90% of the customers that tried to sign up had their c/c declined. They do their own processing but still, this was obviously them scrubbing or a glitch and all was normal later on.

People just want to know what is up, we have money and time invested in these sites also.

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01-22-2004, 10:36 PM

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01-22-2004, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by DrinkingHard
Hey you never know, tomorrow you could get 20 signups off that 2nd day listing.

That is just the TGP game

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01-22-2004, 10:49 PM

be interesting to know in 3 days what the total sales for that gallery are........as it'll stay on the site for 3 more days

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01-22-2004, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream
be interesting to know in 3 days what the total sales for that gallery are........as it'll stay on the site for 3 more days

im interested in getting some spots on your site do you have an email address that i can contact regarding position availability/prices?

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01-22-2004, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by ReAlisTiC

im interested in getting some spots on your site do you have an email address that i can contact regarding position availability/prices?

[email protected]

thank you

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01-22-2004, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream
be interesting to know in 3 days what the total sales for that gallery are........as it'll stay on the site for 3 more days

I'll post the results .. if I remember

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01-22-2004, 11:11 PM

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01-22-2004, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by biskoppen

I'll post the results .. if I remember

I would hope that after starting a thread like this you would "remember" to tend it.

Nothing personal guys, but the law of averages only works if you have enough of a data sample for it to calculate.
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01-23-2004, 12:38 AM

so how do I contact xes cash? It seems impossible to reach them...

also, anyone know what payment cybercatinc offers?

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01-23-2004, 12:44 AM

Some days are on and some are off. I've personally had a rough time with CCBill's conversions over the last week, but I'm not blaming that on anybody but myself. It's a tough business like any others, but the law of averages always works itself out.

Good luck with the 2nd day listing. Maybe it'll be more productive.
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01-23-2004, 12:46 AM

i have rebills from them from the early part last year!

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01-23-2004, 12:53 AM

You might wanna go talk to ppl running brick & mortar stores/businesses. A restaurant, a bar, a liqour store or whatever with walk in customers.

Some days they will have tons of people coming through their doors with great sales and sometimes few people throught the door and slow sales.

Note: Those brick and mortar people usually don't think they're being cheated or "shaved" - fluctuation is just part of the game.

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01-23-2004, 01:07 AM

biskoppen - i know it's a little off topic, but i'm curious. have you gotten this gallery listed at ebony tgps? if so, how did it do off that traffic?

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01-23-2004, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by basschick
biskoppen - i know it's a little off topic, but i'm curious. have you gotten this gallery listed at ebony tgps? if so, how did it do off that traffic?

Probably do quite well for the fact that just about all big ebony tgps' use EBT free hosted galleries so you will have a lot of competition.

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01-23-2004, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by basschick
biskoppen - i know it's a little off topic, but i'm curious. have you gotten this gallery listed at ebony tgps? if so, how did it do off that traffic?

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01-23-2004, 01:33 AM

i meant a paid listing on an ebony tgp

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01-23-2004, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by basschick
i meant a paid listing on an ebony tgp

No, I haven't tried that ..

And btw. the second signup just came in ;) .. Around 1:4000 now

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01-23-2004, 02:58 AM

biskoppen,

Get your own paysite and merchant account ... you'll be surprised !

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