Listen To Howard Dean Go Nuts Here.......the guy is losin' it - GoFuckYourself.com

Bansheelinks · 01-20-2004, 12:34 AM

http://www.drudgereport.com/dean.mp3

lol.......pretty funny

Holly · 01-20-2004, 12:42 AM

Watching him right now on Fox, lol. He sounds like a televangelist. And I've got news for him - he ain't goin' nowhere.

EscortBiz · 01-20-2004, 12:44 AM

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Originally posted by Holly
Watching him right now on Fox, lol. He sounds like a televangelist. And I've got news for him - he ain't goin' nowhere.

lol

Bansheelinks · 01-20-2004, 12:53 AM

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Originally posted by Holly
Watching him right now on Fox, lol. He sounds like a televangelist. And I've got news for him - he ain't goin' nowhere.

thats true.......he does sound like one of those raving lunatics.....and when you see it on tv, along with the sound, kinda makes the skin crawl about this character........yeesh!

bhutocracy · 01-20-2004, 01:13 AM

whats the big deal? he's obviously at an open air gig of some kind rallying the troops with a voice husking from talking.

The guy's losing it because he's raising his voice at an open air gig? - are you on crack??! lol.

if he was doing this in a tv interview.. then yeah.. crazy and over the top.. but way to take something out of context lol.

Bansheelinks · 01-20-2004, 01:26 AM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy
whats the big deal? he's obviously at an open air gig of some kind rallying the troops with a voice husking from talking.

The guy's losing it because he's raising his voice at an open air gig? - are you on crack??! lol.

if he was doing this in a tv interview.. then yeah.. crazy and over the top.. but way to take something out of context lol.

Nah......have you seen it on tv? the guy looks like he's gonna have a bowel movement any second......he's a loose cannon

uno · 01-20-2004, 02:05 AM

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Originally posted by Bansheelinks

Nah......have you seen it on tv? the guy looks like he's gonna have a bowel movement any second......he's a loose cannon

I agree wotj bhu. Soundbites don't tell a near full story.

KRL · 01-20-2004, 02:19 AM

He's acting like he's high on coke.

No way will that guy get to be the nuclear trigger man. Never in a million years.

manilaheat · 01-20-2004, 02:20 AM

Still funny as hell though!

Bansheelinks · 01-20-2004, 11:18 AM

Yeah who wants this guys finger on the button? He looked like he wanted to punch someone out

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!

12clicks · 01-20-2004, 11:39 AM

I'm disappointed. I REALLY want Dean to be the Dem candidate.

.nihilist · 01-20-2004, 11:39 AM

haha!

tony286 · 01-20-2004, 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy
whats the big deal? he's obviously at an open air gig of some kind rallying the troops with a voice husking from talking.

The guy's losing it because he's raising his voice at an open air gig? - are you on crack??! lol.

if he was doing this in a tv interview.. then yeah.. crazy and over the top.. but way to take something out of context lol.

I agree with you , I think also he is trying to stand out as the candiate who is passionate about his beliefs. The right is portraying him as a loose cannon, which is false. We are not hearing about loose cannon behavior during his term as gov. They dont like him because he really is a democrat and the rest are republican lite lol.

The Truth Hurts · 01-20-2004, 11:51 AM

sounds like vince mcmahon.

Loryn · 01-20-2004, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by tony404

I agree with you , I think also he is trying to stand out as the candiate who is passionate about his beliefs. The right is portraying him as a loose cannon, which is false. We are not hearing about loose cannon behavior during his term as gov. They dont like him because he really is a democrat and the rest are republican lite lol.

OH PLEASE!!! Keep trying he is a loo loo!!

I want this man to run against Bush. I am cheering for Dean all the way. YAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRHHHHH!

Rankings · 01-20-2004, 11:53 AM

sounds like he's about to spontaniously bust

Meta Ridley · 01-20-2004, 11:56 AM

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Loryn · 01-20-2004, 11:57 AM

Hot Link!!

- Jesus Christ - · 01-20-2004, 11:58 AM

That guys crazier than me.

SCJason · 01-20-2004, 12:01 PM

They were playing "For those about to rock" in background this morning on the Stern show............Fuckin perfect.
That scream he busts out is MONEY !!!!
All in all its nice to see someone with some real emotion.

Loryn · 01-20-2004, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by SCJason
They were playing "For those about to rock" in background this morning on the Stern show............Fuckin perfect.
That scream he busts out is MONEY !!!!
All in all its nice to see someone with some real emotion.

Real emotions?? You call someone out of control with their emotions real emotions???

The President of the United States should be in full control of his emotions. Yes a tear will drop here and there but ranting and raving is not a good sign. The man has already admitted to having anxiety attacks when he was announced Governor of Vermont. I hardly think he is in control of his emotions.

steffie · 01-20-2004, 12:11 PM

Well we saw him as runner against Bush,, but now

ah fuck it,, were screwed people

Bansheelinks · 01-20-2004, 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by Loryn-Adult.com
Hot Link!!

SCJason · 01-20-2004, 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by Loryn-Adult.com

Real emotions?? You call someone out of control with their emotions real emotions???

The President of the United States should be in full control of his emotions. Yes a tear will drop here and there but ranting and raving is not a good sign. The man has already admitted to having anxiety attacks when he was announced Governor of Vermont. I hardly think he is in control of his emotions.

No one said I was voting for him or agreed with him. But it was nice to see someones real feelings. Wether or not they are appropriate is up to his supporters.
.........he was "rallying" the troops. That was FAR from an out of control rant.

$5 submissions · 01-20-2004, 12:31 PM

I don't think he's losing it.... PASSION has been missing in the primaries since Reagan ran in 1980. Dean has it. The guy also talks openly which is very rare.

Too bad he got his ass handed to him in Iowa.

As an American citizen who was born in the Philippines but grew up in the US, I really appreciate the fact that politicians in the US actually TRY to stick to their platforms. After returning for business here in the Philippines, I am constantly disappointed by
populist talking elitist politicians who have no apparent agenda other than being elected. And this agenda shows in the more than 65% poverty rate and the fact that children still go blind due to basic nutritional deficiencies.

Sad shit but I have faith in the Philippines. Or else I wouldn't be here employing people and growing my business.

Bansheelinks · 01-20-2004, 01:01 PM

He may be a loose cannon but the guy can really debate........he thinks very quickly on his feet in a debate......the problem is for Democrats is that he is a sure-fire hothead at times......hence the clip which comes off a hundred times worse when you actually see it on tv.........he looks like a man with little self-control, especially when you take him in totality and some of his stupid, off the cuff remarks........

but as a debater, he's very solid if he keeps his cool

Oh yeah, almost forgot to give the Kosmo Kramer-How Dean shout out to all of you............YEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AWC · 01-20-2004, 01:03 PM

It's a goddamn shame the democrats can't even field a viable candidate. Looks like 4 more years of Bush.

Carlito · 01-20-2004, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
I'm disappointed. I REALLY want Dean to be the Dem candidate.

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Originally posted by Loryn-Adult.com

OH PLEASE!!! Keep trying he is a loo loo!!

I want this man to run against Bush. I am cheering for Dean all the way. YAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRHHHHH!

Dean supporters are ridiculous.
He won`t win against someone that has transparently done alot.
The majority of people i`ve spoken with *just want bush out of office* they don`t think about the fact that these "candidates" are probably not the best thing for the US.

Carlito · 01-20-2004, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by $5 submissions
I don't think he's losing it.... PASSION has been missing in the primaries since Reagan ran in 1980. Dean has it. The guy also talks openly which is very rare.

Too bad he got his ass handed to him in Iowa.

As an American citizen who was born in the Philippines but grew up in the US, I really appreciate the fact that politicians in the US actually TRY to stick to their platforms. After returning for business here in the Philippines, I am constantly disappointed by
populist talking elitist politicians who have no apparent agenda other than being elected. And this agenda shows in the more than 65% poverty rate and the fact that children still go blind due to basic nutritional deficiencies.

Sad shit but I have faith in the Philippines. Or else I wouldn't be here employing people and growing my business.

I`m afraid your democrat is just like that.
They lie, tell stories, or talk about anything that any below average citizen might want, and get support. Those guys are *just* out to get votes. And then when they get in office they demand that the Government take control of more things, and thus, the people begin to rely on the government, thats where they get votes.

I will vote for Bush, just for being a military guy and reacting when needed. Not like Gore, where he would have totally went into a hole and let a few more planes crash.

Loryn · 01-20-2004, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by Carlito

I`m afraid your democrat is just like that.
They lie, tell stories, or talk about anything that any below average citizen might want, and get support. Those guys are *just* out to get votes. And then when they get in office they demand that the Government take control of more things, and thus, the people begin to rely on the government, thats where they get votes.

I will vote for Bush, just for being a military guy and reacting when needed. Not like Gore, where he would have totally went into a hole and let a few more planes crash.

sumphatpimp · 01-20-2004, 01:50 PM

broke · 01-20-2004, 01:57 PM

Dean is a Communist.

Examine his record as gov. and then tell me differently.

Anyone who votes for him is either and idiot or a commie.

Bansheelinks · 01-20-2004, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by broke
Dean is a Communist.

Examine his record as gov. and then tell me differently.

Anyone who votes for him is either and idiot or a commie.

A Communist?

Dean may be a lot of things but a Communist he is not. If he was as far left as you indicate, Michael Pufferfish Moore would have been all over his ass to endorse him.

Theo · 01-20-2004, 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by Holly
Watching him right now on Fox, lol. He sounds like a televangelist. And I've got news for him - he ain't goin' nowhere.

true,this video is in all tv channels here

crazy stuff

tony286 · 01-20-2004, 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by Carlito

I`m afraid your democrat is just like that.
They lie, tell stories, or talk about anything that any below average citizen might want, and get support. Those guys are *just* out to get votes. And then when they get in office they demand that the Government take control of more things, and thus, the people begin to rely on the government, thats where they get votes.

I will vote for Bush, just for being a military guy and reacting when needed. Not like Gore, where he would have totally went into a hole and let a few more planes crash.

What the fuck are you talking about? Bush hid in texas was in the texas national air guard and didnt show up most of the time. Al Gore was a solder in Vietam. Also this is a president who wants to throw our whole industry in jail , you want to vote for that ?????

broke · 01-20-2004, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by Bansheelinks

A Communist?

Dean may be a lot of things but a Communist he is not. If he was as far left as you indicate, Michael Pufferfish Moore would have been all over his ass to endorse him.

Did you look at his record as Governor?

Didn't think so.

Glad you base people's party affiliations soley on the backing of Moore... it gives you a ton of credibility.

broke · 01-20-2004, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by tony404

Al Gore was a solder in Vietam. Also this is a president who wants to throw our whole industry in jail , you want to vote for that ?????

Al Gore was a soldier?

Name one time he put down his camera and fired a weapon.

Some people are so fucking clueless...

Republicans hate porn and Democrats love it! Keep telling yourself that.

tony286 · 01-20-2004, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by broke

Al Gore was a soldier?

Name one time he put down his camera and fired a weapon.

Some people are so fucking clueless...

Republicans hate porn and Democrats love it! Keep telling yourself that.

The last time porn has been gone after was during Reagan, democrats dont love porn but they know there are better things to focus on. Also whether Al Gore took pics, fired a gun or sat on his ass he went and bush hid in TX.

Ice · 01-20-2004, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by Bansheelinks
http://www.drudgereport.com/dean.mp3

lol.......pretty funny

LOL sounds like he would make a good Amway salesman

broke · 01-20-2004, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by tony404

Also whether Al Gore took pics, fired a gun or sat on his ass he went and bush hid in TX.

Where did he go?

He may as well have been in TX.

Pornwolf · 01-20-2004, 03:06 PM

I don't fault Dean for that outcry. He never seemed like Presidential material anyway. The real democratic race will end up being between Wesley Clark and John Kerry. They would make a great President and VP combination IMHO.

tony286 · 01-20-2004, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by broke

Where did he go?

He may as well have been in TX.

Al Gore was in Vietnam Bush wasnt end of story.

broke · 01-20-2004, 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by tony404

Al Gore was in Vietnam Bush wasnt end of story.

Sure about that?

Bansheelinks · 01-20-2004, 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by iceicebaby

LOL sounds like he would make a good Amway salesman

Bansheelinks · 01-20-2004, 04:43 PM

Dean: "WE'RE GOING TO CALIFORNIA AND TEXAS AND NEW YORK!!!!!
WE'RE GOING TO SOUTH DAKOTA, AND OREGON, AND WASHINGTON AND MICHIGAN!!!!! AND THEY WE'RE GOING TO WASHINGTON, D.C. TO TAKE BACK THE WHITEHOUSE!!!!!"

"YEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!"

Supporters: "Yes mein fuhrer!"

Dean:"AND THEN WE'RE ALL GONNA JOIN AMWAY!!!!!!"

Supporters: "Uh.................yes mein fuhrer."

bhutocracy · 01-20-2004, 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf
I don't fault Dean for that outcry. He never seemed like Presidential material anyway. The real democratic race will end up being between Wesley Clark and John Kerry. They would make a great President and VP combination IMHO.

yeah.. Dean is a major distraction to Clark who is the only honestly viable candidate.

Bansheelinks · 01-20-2004, 05:58 PM

Clark only viable candidate? I think not.

asuna · 01-20-2004, 06:01 PM

the mp3 is a 404... anyone got it? icq me

SexxxyChat-T · 01-20-2004, 06:33 PM

Dean needed to get the troops inspired again, he totally did it with that speech.

The race continues in New Hampshire - the first primary state, harder to load up with delegates for the D.C. candidates.

Clinton lost Iowa (He only got 2%- Dean got 18%) and New Hampshire and won in 92. In fact, no one since Carter in '78 has won Iowa and gone on to win the presidency.

YEEAAAHHHH!!!!

Bush is going DOWN in November '04!!!

Bansheelinks · 01-20-2004, 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by asuna
the mp3 is a 404... anyone got it? icq me

Shit just checked.......it is 404........too bad as its hilarious as he loses control....

01-20-2004, 12:34 AM	#1
Bansheelinks Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,023	Listen To Howard Dean Go Nuts Here.......the guy is losin' it http://www.drudgereport.com/dean.mp3 lol.......pretty funny

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bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	whats the big deal? he's obviously at an open air gig of some kind rallying the troops with a voice husking from talking. The guy's losing it because he's raising his voice at an open air gig? - are you on crack??! lol. if he was doing this in a tv interview.. then yeah.. crazy and over the top.. but way to take something out of context lol.

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$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	I don't think he's losing it.... PASSION has been missing in the primaries since Reagan ran in 1980. Dean has it. The guy also talks openly which is very rare. Too bad he got his ass handed to him in Iowa. As an American citizen who was born in the Philippines but grew up in the US, I really appreciate the fact that politicians in the US actually TRY to stick to their platforms. After returning for business here in the Philippines, I am constantly disappointed by populist talking elitist politicians who have no apparent agenda other than being elected. And this agenda shows in the more than 65% poverty rate and the fact that children still go blind due to basic nutritional deficiencies. Sad shit but I have faith in the Philippines. Or else I wouldn't be here employing people and growing my business. __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

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Bansheelinks Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,023	Dean: "WE'RE GOING TO CALIFORNIA AND TEXAS AND NEW YORK!!!!! WE'RE GOING TO SOUTH DAKOTA, AND OREGON, AND WASHINGTON AND MICHIGAN!!!!! AND THEY WE'RE GOING TO WASHINGTON, D.C. TO TAKE BACK THE WHITEHOUSE!!!!!" "YEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!" Supporters: "Yes mein fuhrer!" Dean:"AND THEN WE'RE ALL GONNA JOIN AMWAY!!!!!!" Supporters: "Uh.................yes mein fuhrer."

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