Hawkeye:

That is the bit that is damned sad Hawkeye! I loved the US.. still do, but realised we got some problems brewing :-)

Now.. well, every country has elements of crap in their governments, but the US seems to manage to top the list currently. There are many honorable folks in the US government and have served that country well. Sadly there is a "club" of lying crooks as well who have literally pulled the place apart, - certainly not to the advantage of it's citizens and at the same time, brought the status of the US down internationally. Others are looking in and shaking their heads in dismay...

Again? One time should be enough.

This post reeks of -- 'I want to move, but I want it to be easy'.

Guess what... it's not easy. But if it is important to you and your family, you will find a way.

I did.

Those elements are no worse than in the US, but at least Australia doesn't have a huge bloated military going on adventures around the world and creating enemies for itself. At least they spend money on themselves, unlike in America where our "fiscally conservative" president is demanding over $100 billion in welfare for Iraq.

Solution: Buy an island and form your own government. All of your problems solved, right?




right???

Once again, I'm not here to teach you anything, if you can't figure shit out on your own, that's your problem. You're a brainwashed, uneducated, unintelligent flag waiver, what makes you think you're worth my time? You're not. I've stopped caring what morons think of me a long time ago, like at age 8. You calling me an idiot is a compliment, as it would be if Rush Limbaugh called me one.

Besides all that, I can hardly even understand your posts, they're like reading a scribble message from my 6 year old. "Stote", what the fuck is a stote? "arguement"?

If you didn't read 4 years ago about the fraud involved with the Florida voters, or Bush's relative calling the election early on TV, then I don't expect you to turn off Fox News anytime soon. Grow up kid, next time my only response to you will be Baaaaa.

interesting to wake up to. :Oh crap

thank you to sarah_webinc and others who
tried to provide real info relevant to the topic.

plenty seemed to miss the point tho :warning

this isn't supposed to be personal, about me.
it's supposed to be general, so that people can actually assess
their options the next time a Patriot suggests "dont' like it, leave!".
I want to know where that's a realistic option for everyday people.


and re: asylum, fleeing the country, etc.
lets use this a hypothetical:

You've been producing interracial gay anal gangbang movies
for the last 5 years. One day after Bush's relection, some of
your colleges in the biz start recieving supoenas, there are
horror stores of agents showing up at peoples houses and
seizing computers and other records/property/'evidence'.

Are you just going to sit and wait for them to get around to you?
or make plans to relocate? Our citizens will not revolt in support of you. :2 cents:

me neither, if someone is fleeing genuine persecution then fair enough, we should and always have given them sanctuary in the UK. however i would bet that it's only a tiny fraction that are in that situation. it's mainly ecconomic migrants, i don't blame them if i was young and lived in a poor country, i would do my best to get to a rich country like the US or UK. but if they are ecconomic migrants then we should be picky and only accept people with skills that are in short supply like doctors etc.