The Offical shit talking State of the Union thread!

[TDF]

150 falls from the segway..doh!

[Digipimp]

151 Canadian girlies in a big college dorm inviting me over for a party because the women there are so damn friendly.

[TheMaster]

Originally posted by MPBWhitney


I find this funny. Funny not only cuz of its stupidity and arrogance but because in all honesty Canada operates on its own. We dont have to fear any countries wrath (regardless of our geographical location) because we arn't pissing on other countries. Canada is a vast country with alot of industry and our economy is fairly good. Our dollar is at an al time high in relation to the US dollar. And yes we have HOT girls!!!

OH and btw Winnipeg is fun in the summer make sure you bring alot of mosquito repellent.

+ Canada is very progressive
+ good health care

or that is what I think after talking to several Canadians

BTW the canadians are always party people when they come over to the old continent

[Roger]

Originally posted by broke


Keep telling yourself that.

What percentage of your GDP is directly tied to the US again? That said... I like Canada and all non-French Canadians
()

I see that many people still worship Hitler

[TheMaster]

Originally posted by Digipimp
151 Canadian girlies in a big college dorm inviting me over for a party because the women there are so damn friendly.

we want pics and videos

[broke]

Originally posted by Roger


I see that many people still worship Hitler

I see that many people can't answer questions, back up their postion,
or debate without insults.

[Roger]

Originally posted by broke
I see that many people can't answer questions, back up their postion, or debate without insults.

You're the one who claims to hate French Canadians, not me.

[Tofu]

i farted.

[Digipimp]

It's fun to fuck with Canadians, the truth is if Canada were south of the US then I would move there, but damn I hate the cold.

[broke]

Originally posted by Roger


You're the one who claims to hate French Canadians, not me.

Apparently as a foreigner, you didn't get the humor... and you missed the .

Some of us can laugh and make jokes about the leaders we support. They are not Gods and do and say stupid things from time to time. Maybe if I'd have gone with , your simplistic mind would have gotten it.

The following questions remain:

Is (as someone insinuated) Canada a country that can 'go it on their own'?

What percentage to Canada's GDP is dependant on US trade?

And why do Canadians get 'carte blanche' immunity to make stupid statements and not be questioned?

[theking]

Originally posted by TheMaster


I have never said anything bad about America as a country !!!
Just about the policies some of your leaders have.
I don't hate America, I do hate Bush, large part of the Republicans & those right wing think tanks.

President Bush does not and cannot act in a vaccum.

President Bush had the approval of approximately 50% of the American people when he entered office and for virtually every action that he has taken while he has been in office he has maintained approximately 50%...and higher approval of the American people. He has had the backing of Congress and of course the Courts...as he cannot violate the law and/or the constitution...as interpreted via the Courts. He currently maintains virtually the same status as when he entered office.

He is currently...majoritively speaking...the peoples choice. The majority of Americans like him and his policies...and like him and his policies well enough that he may be the peoples choice in the next election.

The point being...I view it as not being possible to like America and Americans when you do not like the very thing that they stand for and currently they stand for the policies of the current administration.

as many in the world I was raised on American entertainment, we all know and believe and want to fight for the values mostly portrayed in them, 'cause they are about freedom, equality, democratic & humanistic values

I assume American entertainment means American movies and TV shows. Well America is not a movie or a TV show. America does not now...nor has it ever been a "White Hat" but at best is a "Gray Hat". America is about doing what it perceives to be in America's best interest...and America is powerful enough to do this...unlike most of the countries on the earth.

but now we see a man doing the most terrible and stupid things anyone has done in a long time and he's hurting the rest of the world with them.

With the blessing of the majority of the American people...the Congress and the Courts...not a movie about America...but real life.

+ theking learn to accept that mistakes are being made, you're always "america is the best" "america is always right" and I think most people on this board only hear things like that from you.

I defy you to find any quote with me saying "america is the best" or "america is always right". People on this board...read...and hear what fits "their agenda"...and is usually mis-information...or just plain BS.

[Roger]

Originally posted by broke
Apparently as a foreigner, you didn't get the humor... and you missed the .

Some of us can laugh and make jokes about the leaders we support. They are not Gods and do and say stupid things from time to time. Maybe if I'd have gone with , your simplistic mind would have gotten it.

The following questions remain:

Is (as someone insinuated) Canada a country that can 'go it on their own'?

What percentage to Canada's GDP is dependant on US trade?

And why do Canadians get 'carte blanche' immunity to make stupid statements and not be questioned?

No I didn't get the humor.

Nobody can go at it on there own. Canada can switch and become dependant on the European and Asian markets instead then the US can switch and become dependant on other countries oil, water, electricity and stuff like that. I don't know the exact figures. I believe Canada exports approximately 70% of it's products to the US and the US imports 20% from Canada. But it'd be stupid and complicated for both countries to switch partners. Can they do it? Yes but it's stupid.

[MPBWhitney]

Originally posted by broke


Keep telling yourself that.

What percentage of your GDP is directly tied to the US again? That said... I like Canada and all non-French Canadians ()

Saying Canada's economy is not dependant on the US is akin to the arrogance displayed when many Americans dismiss Canada as irrelevant.

You mistook my words... I was commenting on the fact that he said "we couldn't opperate on our own"., Of course i am fully aware of the contribution the US makes to our economy. Just as American's should be more aware of how much Saudi money and middle eastern money has been poured into their ecomony.

[TheMaster]

Originally posted by theking


President Bush does not and cannot act in a vaccum.

President Bush had the approval of approximately 50% of the American people when he entered office and for virtually every action that he has taken while he has been in office he has maintained approximately 50%...and higher approval of the American people. He has had the backing of Congress and of course the Courts...as he cannot violate the law and/or the constitution...as interpreted via the Courts. He currently maintains virtually the same status as when he entered office.

He is currently...majoritively speaking...the peoples choice. The majority of Americans like him and his policies...and like him and his policies well enough that he may be the peoples choice in the next election.

The point being...I view it as not being possible to like America and Americans when you do not like the very thing that they stand for and currently they stand for the policies of the current administration.

Bush was elected by 50% people who voted! Not by 50% of the population, we have to vote over here and we won't let that go, 'cause we know that the conservative and extremist voters will be more likely to go vote.

He is helding people on Cuba outside of any law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
your reply probably "it's not in US law", my reply: "stop this island-thinking, if you want to do that, then close all your borders and have no contact with the outside world"

isn't his approal rating around 45%? It was only that high 'cause of 911

1,2 million people protested against the war in Washington, that's the biggest turnout worldwide, even higher than in Indonesia, which is 99% muslim.

so, I don't think or hope that most americans support his policies, he just tries to keep the people afraid "they are conspiring against America, planning attacks"

and it's not because people agree with some things that they are the right thing to do!!!!!

I assume American entertainment means American movies and TV shows. Well America is not a movie or a TV show. America does not now...nor has it ever been a "White Hat" but at best is a "Gray Hat". America is about doing what it perceives to be in America's best interest...and America is powerful enough to do this...unlike most of the countries on the earth.

thing is that most americans and bush use these images and values of the states, when it suits them, you have to choose: respect democratic, humanistic, western values or become a christian religieus state, like so many Middle Eastern countries are (with islam instead of christianity)

doing the best in America's intrest, so did Hitler

here you have the kind of talk I was refering to "America is powerful enough to do this"
it's not because you can, that you should

I can't believe you're a democrat, from the south maybe? just saying this 'cause they showed this piece on CNN of how different democrats can be, this progressive guy from NY, which I directly recognized as being a democrat and humanist, then this guy from the south "I'm a democrat 'cause my daddy and granddaddy were", but what he said, was so ... conservative, he should go to the republicans, don't think he supports the party's program

[jas1552]

Originally posted by TheMaster
we have to vote over here

What happens if you don't vote? You get arrested? Uggh how terrible. I'm glad I live in a free country.

[TheMaster]

Originally posted by jas1552

What happens if you don't vote? You get arrested? Uggh how terrible. I'm glad I live in a free country.

no you get a fine. Jeezes, it's 1 day every 4 years that you have to participate, of course I would love the day I can vote by internet :-)

free country??? in my country it's illegal to bypass the courts like they do nowadays in the US under the patriot act, wake up!!!! It's not Europe that's living under Gestapo-kind situations. My government doesn't see me as a terrorist, but yours does that of you

[jas1552]

Originally posted by TheMaster


no you get a fine. Jeezes, it's 1 day every 4 years that you have to participate, of course I would love the day I can vote by internet :-)

free country??? in my country it's illegal to bypass the courts like they do nowadays in the US under the patriot act, wake up!!!! It's not Europe that's living under Gestapo-kind situations. My government doesn't see me as a terrorist, but yours does that of you

So either you show up where they tell you, when they tell you and do what they tell you or they come take your money? Yet that's not gestapo like. Hmm. Some here would consider not voting as a vote of protest. In my opinion freedom of speech should include the right to say nothing if one chooses. Ya know voting was mandatory in Iraq too.

The patriot act is set to expire in about a year or so. I personally hope it's reauthorized again temporarily because as the president said the terrorist threat will not expire at the same time. As for bypassing courts, the court could step in and declare the patriot act unconstitutional at any time if they deemed it to be so. There is nothing I could do before the patriot act that I can't do now.

[Digipimp]

So where is this that you get a fine for not voting and how much is the fine. I would think that would be a good system for here in the US, but I would say if you don't vote you get 30 days jail time. Because I would like to see the election results if everyone in the country actually voted once.

[jas1552]

Originally posted by Digipimp
So where is this that you get a fine for not voting and how much is the fine. I would think that would be a good system for here in the US, but I would say if you don't vote you get 30 days jail time. Because I would like to see the election results if everyone in the country actually voted once.

Apparently Belgium.

I would think that those who choose not to vote are more likely to be uninformed people who don't follow politics and/or just don't give a shit. Why would you want those people to pick the leaders of your country?

[Digipimp]

Originally posted by jas1552

Apparently Belgium.

I would think that those who choose not to vote are more likely to be uninformed people who don't follow politics and/or just don't give a shit. Why would you want those people to pick the leaders of your country?

An uniformed person is the same to me as someone who always votes republican or democrat so I say make everyone vote. There are also a substantial amount of people that don't vote simply because it doesn't make much of a difference since it's a fucking republican or democrat anyway.

[theking]

Originally posted by TheMaster

He is helding people on Cuba outside of any law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
your reply probably "it's not in US law", my reply: "stop this island-thinking, if you want to do that, then close all your borders and have no contact with the outside world"

The Justice System has ruled that it is legal to hold "enemy combatants" at Guantanamo...and as long as the Federal Supreme Court does not rule against this...it is the law of the land and is the only law that is applicable.

America will open or close its borders at its choosing...not your choosing...thank you very much.

isn't his approal rating around 45%? It was only that high 'cause of 911

Different polls have different approval ratings at different times but most show that his overall approval rating is around 50% or higher.

1,2 million people protested against the war in Washington, that's the biggest turnout worldwide, even higher than in Indonesia, which is 99% muslim.

From a population of around 290 million...that does not exactly speak volumes.

so, I don't think or hope that most americans support his policies, he just tries to keep the people afraid "they are conspiring against America, planning attacks"

The polls have shown that the American people have been in support of virtually every action that the President has taken since he has taken office...and he may very well win the next election because of that support.

The Administration declared war on global terrorism after 9/11 with the overwhelming support of Congress (they voted to give the power to the President to use the military "as he deems necessary") and the American people. Thus far the American people still support his use of that power.

The Administration originally said that the war could last as long as ten years...but others have said that the war could last as long as thirty years. Are you suggesting that America can call off this war because they are not "conspiring against America"???

There is no need for you to answer as the question is rehtorical and your opinion or advice is if of no import.

[QUOTE]thing is that most americans and bush use these images and values of the states, when it suits them, you have to choose: respect democratic, humanistic, western values or become a christian religieus state, like so many Middle Eastern countries are (with islam instead of christianity){/QUOTE]

Americans and the duly elected representatives of the American people will be the determiners of "democratic, humanistic, western values"...they respect...and they alone.

There are of course many options other than becoming a "Christian religious state" which of course will not happen...but if it were to happen it will be by the will of the people.

I can't believe you're a democrat, from the south maybe?

I am neither.

[Joe Citizen]

Originally posted by jas1552

What happens if you don't vote? You get arrested? Uggh how terrible. I'm glad I live in a free country.

In some countries, voting is considered a responsibility not just a right.

[TheMaster]

Originally posted by Digipimp
So where is this that you get a fine for not voting and how much is the fine. I would think that would be a good system for here in the US, but I would say if you don't vote you get 30 days jail time. Because I would like to see the election results if everyone in the country actually voted once.

don't really know how much the fine is, but hardly anyone is stupid enough to get that fine, if for one reason or another you can't vote that day, you can give someone else the authority to vote or vote in advance.

1 person = 1 vote

the thing is that we have far more parties than the US or the votes are more divided anyway, the 3 biggest parties have 20%-25% each, so parties have to work together at the moment there are 2 big and 1 small party in the government.

Funny thing is that in one of our cities, the SP.A (socialist party, they are like the democrats, so not communists) had enough votes the rule the city by itself, instead of doing that they formed a city counsil with all the parties, except the extreme right one of course, result is one of the best run cities in the country.

You see working together can have good results for all the people, their public transport is totally free overthere, I still have to pay, but no complaining about my mayor, he's our beloved little "emperor"

[TheMaster]

Originally posted by Joe Citizen


In some countries, voting is considered a responsibility not just a right.

yes, in a democracy you have rights and duties, this is just one of the few duties you have. It's funny to hear some people talk about dying for their country, but on the other hand, they're too lazy to go vote. Here most of the time you can go vote within a kilometre from your house and eg it only took me 15 min of waiting and vote.

[TheMaster]

Originally posted by theking


I am neither.

earlier you said "I am not a Republican and have never voted for a Republican"

so what are you?

[jas1552]

Originally posted by TheMaster


yes, in a democracy you have rights and duties, this is just one of the few duties you have. It's funny to hear some people talk about dying for their country, but on the other hand, they're too lazy to go vote. Here most of the time you can go vote within a kilometre from your house and eg it only took me 15 min of waiting and vote.

I would hope there would at least be a "none of the above" option. If there is it still doesn't seem right to force people to vote.

[TheMaster]

Originally posted by jas1552

I would hope there would at least be a "none of the above" option. If there is it still doesn't seem right to force people to vote.

you can vote "blanc"

it's a duty, like you have to serve in the military in some countries for a while

[Joe Citizen]

Originally posted by jas1552

I would hope there would at least be a "none of the above" option. If there is it still doesn't seem right to force people to vote.

Do you think it's right to force people to go to war?

[TheMaster]

watching CNN again, his speech being disected by several people, they too see the lies and the things he "forgot" or ignores.

At least they do represent a portion of the American public and I think most people will believe these things

so for some: being critical about your president, makes you a patriot, not standing behind him during all circumstances

be patriotic towards your country, your country is it's people, government should serve all the people, not just a few

so, one of his proposals is to make extra health care insurance 100% deductable? Good, but what about the people who can't afford these extra insurances??? Do tell me, is it possible for a waitress to pay for these insurances? Think about the number of waitresses there are.


yes indeed, they only had the support of a few sparse, unimportant (except UK) countries for the Iraqi war, who cares anyway abou Bulgary (even Belgium can take them :-) or Venezuela, oh Bush does, they deliver oil :-)

[TheMaster]

Originally posted by Joe Citizen


Do you think it's right to force people to go to war?

and what about forcing other countries to go to war?

it's not only us that heard his words, the democrats also seem to have heard Bush, he bullied everyone around with threats of repercussions, if they didn't support us.

He threated to move NATO headquaters out of Brussels, here we really saw how this man thinks: don't care it's a cooperation of nations, I'm the leader, the rest must follow.

Same in the UN, he only went to them, after too many Americans got killed in Iraq after the war.
BTW Bush pay your UN bill, haven't paid his contributions to the UN in years, but who cares, a country with 290 million inhabitants only pays 0,8% of the bill, but a small country like Belgium with 10 million people pay 1,2% of the budget.
And you know what: they may tax me even more of it would mean that the money would be well spent. No what that is? Solidarity, something Bushco has never heard of. Ever seen the town next to his ranch? Not a beautiful picture, you can hardly believe such poverty exist in the "richest" country in the world.

[seven]

Originally posted by theking
When President Bush is no longer in office...which may be a year or may very well be four...you sorry ass people will still be spewing your hatred...mis-information and BS about the next Administration and America.

Nawh.. actually I used to like Bush before 9/11. When I saw him getting all emotional right after 911 "I'm a loving man" I almost believed it was real. But then I realized the real reason why U.S. was the target was NOT "because they hate our freedom and wealth" (hmm.. don't remember him saying that in a while but he used say that all the time in past when people were less informed). It was cos his foreign policy. "We don't need a permission ticket we just rape them no q asked"

[jas1552]

Originally posted by Joe Citizen


Do you think it's right to force people to go to war?

Not exactly sure what you mean, but if a draft were necessary I would support it and sign up before being drafted.

[Joe Citizen]

Originally posted by jas1552

Not exactly sure what you mean, but if a draft were necessary I would support it and sign up before being drafted.

But there's something wrong with requiring people to vote?

[Digipimp]

All this debate, can't we all just get along?

[jas1552]

Originally posted by Joe Citizen


But there's something wrong with requiring people to vote?

Apples and oranges. If your country needs you to fight that's one thing. The votes of the uninterested and uninformed who don't care enough to vote does nothing but potentially cancel out the votes of those who do care and do try to stay informed. I also sort of see it as a freedom of speech issue. What if one doesn't want to vote as a means of expressing their disinterest or disapproval with the entire political system? Like an anarchist for example. Requiring people to fight when necessary or serve on a jury is one thing but as I said the vote of an idiot who doesn't want to vote does noone any good. *edit* except possibly make it easier for slick politicians to get the votes of idiots who wouldn't otherwise vote.

[Webby]

theKing:

The Justice System has ruled that it is legal to hold "enemy combatants" at Guantanamo...and as long as the Federal Supreme Court does not rule against this...it is the law of the land and is the only law that is applicable.

What "Justice System"??? Make up your mind if Guantanamo is subject to the US "Justice System" or not. The Admin claim is it not part of the US and the "Justice System" of the US does not apply.

The only "Justice System" that is relevant is that other Treaty called the Geneva Convention that the US signed and is violating, once again, as it see's fit. What's new??

Don't bother talking about any "Justice System" - it makes a total mockery of any form of "justice" and at the same time we have hypocritical utterances of "freedoms and values", plenty of "God bless" stuffed in for good measure along with claims to have resolved "human rights".

The price will be paid and then we will hear the usual cliche dribble, "Why do they hate us??"

It's got to be one of the most pathetic examples of "justice in action" in the world.

That is one sad load of shit!!

[Webby]

By the way... did you could the number of lies in this State of the Union cheerleading party?

I gave up after 12....

Tis no wonder some seem to thing the Admin must be referring to Mars or someplace...

[Digipimp]

Originally posted by Webby
By the way... did you could the number of lies in this State of the Union cheerleading party?

I gave up after 12....

Tis no wonder some seem to thing the Admin must be referring to Mars or someplace...

Well they said there were something like 70+ applause break so it had to be at least 70 lies would be my guess. That's no record for him though.

[Webby]

Digipimp:

Well they said there were something like 70+ applause break so it had to be at least 70 lies would be my guess. That's no record for him though.

All that is far past talking about his "politics" and "doctrine" - when the man is a constant liar on that scale, it kinda daunts your faith in human nature that he is still anywhere near *any* seat of government. Obvious some are slow on the uptake...

If that was in some corporation, he'd have been convicted and sitting in a jail cell by now..

[Digipimp]

Originally posted by Webby
Digipimp:



All that is far past talking about his "politics" and "doctrine" - when the man is a constant liar on that scale, it kinda daunts your faith in human nature that he is still anywhere near *any* seat of government. Obvious some are slow on the uptake...

If that was in some corporation, I'd have been convicted and sitting in a jail cell by now..

Yeah and he'll probably get re-elected too the bastard!

[NBDesign]

I watched it... I thought it was funny how Sen. Kennedy kept shaking his head in disagreement with what bush was saying. Even funnier when half the room is standing and claping and the other half just sat there.

[Digipimp]

Seemed like there was a minute there when some of the democrats started to boo him but then stopped and it didn't happen again. That's one thing I like about how they do it in England, when the PM is talking they are harassing the shit out of him. King George wouldn't be able to take it, it would be worse than Dean blowing up I bet.

[TheMaster]

Originally posted by Digipimp
Seemed like there was a minute there when some of the democrats started to boo him but then stopped and it didn't happen again. That's one thing I like about how they do it in England, when the PM is talking they are harassing the shit out of him. King George wouldn't be able to take it, it would be worse than Dean blowing up I bet.

in Italy they've been known to start fighting

[Digipimp]

Originally posted by TheMaster


in Italy they've been known to start fighting

They're all just a bunch of rich pussy white boys in our Congress who are more worried about filling their own pockets and fucking hookers than the people of the country.