Carrie

101 black helicopters

wonton

Be aware. That's all. No need for revolutions in the street or civil disobedience. The powers that be are well prepared for that. Awareness is the key. Once the American mainstream starts to ask serious questions on 9/11, the power of government to fool the people will slowly but surely erode.

As the old saying goes: People get the government they deserve.

An educated populace will get a government more worthy of this great nation...

psyko514

A have a question: what does it matter? What will it change if it was the US Government, Al Qaeda, the CIA, the Backstreet Boys or Bill Clinton who destroyed the building?

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Carrie

I wish it were that easy, honestly.
Even if our entire populace were to wake up tomorrow to all of the incremental movements that our gov't has been passing by on us, there's still nothiing we can do without a full revolution.

Changing presidents won't do it. Changing out the House and Senate completely won't do it. The back channels are still im*bed*ded too deeply and the same shit would just keep happening.

I didn't get to watch the SOU address tonight, laid down for a nap and actually slept through it. But Bush was *supposed* to talk about a 0% FHA loan for first-time home buyers, "to get more people into home ownership". Sounds good at first; until you look at the reality of it - these people can't afford houses and giving them this opportunity is simply opening the door to put them farther into debt and hence make them *more* dependent on the gov't.
Get the kids through the public schools, get their parents through simple "need a helping hand? we've got one, all you gotta do is..." tomfoolery.

I need to go look up the text of his speech and see if he did end up proposing it.

This stuff has been going on for much longer than just 9/11. 50 years at the least, more likely much much longer.
Once you let something slide so far, there's really no getting it back.
We need a revolution like we need the sun to rise tomorrow.

edit: stupid 'haha' shit when I tried to write im*bed*ded

wonton

Yes. If you are in a house trapped with someone who you think is your friend/ally and he tells you there is a psychotic murderer outside trying to get it, you focus all your attention on defending your house from the outside intruder. But if your friend/ally is really the psychotic murderer and you are not aware of this....you can see how THAT situation is many times more dangerous.

The government who we think is protecting us really isn't. And the civil liberties that we are slowly but surely giving up in exchange for security will get us nothing but misery in the long run. Ask the people of any of the former Soviet bloc countries. They learned their lesson the long and hard way.

Read the Nobel Prize-winning book, "Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. The story of how an entire nation of smart, strong people gave up their freedoms all too easily to the powers of tyranny disguised as security.

History repeats itself. That's all it ever does.

psyko514

First of all, I didn't ask a yes or no question.

Second of all, your analogy is weak. My friend being a psychotic murder poses an immediate and obvious threat to me and me alone. Your government poses a potential and supposed threat to your nation. And they're not out to kill you specifically.

Third, it's your government, not mine.

Fourth, if you don't like your government, move elsewhere. It's the quickest and easiest solution.

Here are some pertinent analogies:
If you were in an abusive relationship, you'd leave the abuser.
If you were unhappy at your job and were offered a good job elsewhere, you'd quit.
If you were in a room slowly filling with poisonous gas and the door was unlocked, you'd walk out.

Why should your place of residence be any different?

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Take the tin foil off you head, before the Martians take over your brain! I guess you did not get the memo from the Masons!

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icu33774

What people fail to see is that the wtc is just a small piece of what is about to come...It truley sad that every day i turn the news on and see more troops and iraqi people dead over money and power. People are to busy with there everyday lives to sitback and watch what is really going on. God bless our boys over there and lets all pray for there safe return.

wonton

I am perhaps guilty of supplying a weak analogy. But the intent behind it still stands - it does make a difference if the government is complicit in 9/11. It does make a difference if the War on Terror is a giant fraud.

And it is not a question of not "liking" the government. Plus, there is no where to move. What is coming across the horizon will be global in nature. And the best way to try to correct the situation is to stay at the epicentre and spread awareness.

richard123

How many times have you moved from one country to another? Leaving your entire family and your roots behind? 4 times? 5? I suppose you know the difference then between quitting your job or breaking up with a g/f and moving to a new country.

Anyhow..... It's *is* possible that' 9/11 was not a conspiracy. If it wasn't, it was just the greatest stroke of luck for the US administration. Personally, I don't place much faith in luck....

psyko514

I've never had to do it because I'm perfectly happy where I live right now.

I'm a firm believer in the concept that you have no right to bitch about something unless you're proactive in fixing what your bitching about.

Spreading conspiracy theories on GFY will not accomplish much.

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icu33774

Just curious did we ever find those weapons of mass distruction that we have proof that they had them in iraq?

mule

Damn, I don't even worry about that, I'm still wondering how the fuck they managed to find the passport of one of the hijackers in the street outside Tower 1.

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Down_Under

umm yeah - those weapons lol



hey wonton - one of the best posts on gfy for ages - take it easy bro

Pleasurepays

uh... yeah. the "snuck in" to place a "small military grade explosive" blah blah.

are you retarded? do you know what it takes to demolish a fucking office building? its a major operation that takes a shitload of planning, coordination and people. what the fuck does a Seal team blowing up mud huts in Crapistan have to do with demolishing an office building in the center of Manhatten in what is undoubtedly the most covered event in the history of news media?

then you want everyone to believe that uhmmm... what.... the area was secretly cleared while a building in downtown manhatten was blown up? no one got wise? how was a building demolished in an area flooded with emergency services personnel and media without anyone knowing? no one noticed a series of explosives big enough to topple an office building? were these also new super secret silent explosives that you can also see on the Discovery Channel?

you redefine stupidity with every post you make.

mule

Exactly....a plane isn't enough

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Pleasurepays

who said a fully fueled 757 travelling at 400 knots is not enough?

of course its enough. it's another thing to argue that it could happen without any one of the 10,000,000 people in the area noticing.

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wonton

Pleasurepays,

I am afraid your stance is illogical by virtue of wanting to have your cake and eat it too. On the one hand, you are saying that demolishing a building is a "major operation that takes a shitload of planning". But on the other hand, by accepting the government's story, you are simultaneously accepting that building 7 collapsed symmetrically due to a small fire in the upper floor (remember building 7 was not hit by a plane).

So which is it? Does the controlled collapse of a modern skyscraper require a major operation and a shitload of planning? Or can the same be achieved by simply starting a small fire in the topmost floor? You can't have it both ways. Are you capable of seeing the massive inconsistency in your present belief?

The truth of the matter is that collapsing a skyscraper in a controlled fashion (without a jet) does take careful planning IF you only have access to INDUSTRIAL explosives (i.e. TNT). If you have access to MILITARY grade explosives then only the main support columns need to be targeted and such an operation could be set up fairly quickly by teams specially trained for such missions. Contrary to your mistaken assumption, SEAL and DELTA teams do not just "blow up mud huts in Crapistan". A specialized, seven man seal team can rig a modern building or an oil rig in the Persian Gulf with enough thermite to demolish it, all within a matter of a few hours.

chodadog

You didn't answer his question about the magical silent explosives. Explain that. I heard no explosion. I heard the building coming down, but heard no explosion.

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erehwon

I suspect the party that posted this topic confuses news helicopters for black helicopters all the time.

Why did WTC 7 collapse?

Funny how these folks in the peanut gallery seem to forget who WTC 7 had as tenants at the time.

Salomon Smith Barney
1,202,900 Square Feet.
Floors 1-6,13,18-46

ITT Hartford Insurance Group
122,590 Square Feet
Floors 19-21

American Express Bank International
106,117 Square Feet
Floors 7,8,13

Securities & Exchange Commission
106,117 Square Feet
Floors 11,12,13

Standard Chartered Bank
111,398 Square Feet
Floors 10,13,26,27

Mayor's Office of Emergency Mgmt
45,815 Square Feet
Floors 23

Many of these are very large financial institutions, and many of them had their main corporate datacenters located in WTC 7. I would hope most of you on this board have toured a modern day datacenter, for you would know that if the power went out, very large diesel generators would kick in within milliseconds of the main electrical grid going offline, providing power for those servers.

WTC 7 had several diesel tanks to power the generators, over 40,000 gallons of diesel fuel throughout the building, 6,000 gallons for the NYC Office of Emergency Management on the 23rd floor, and another 36,000 throughout the building.

Now a Boeing 767 can carry over 23,500 gallons of jet fuel and its anyones guess how much was burned off between take-off and when it crashed into each of the two WTC's but it was the combination of the burning fuel and the combustable materials inside that led to the collaspe of the WTC #1 and #2, both 100+ stories tall.

Why is it unlikely that with all the explosions, collaspes, burning jet pieces into surrounding buildings can make you belive that WTC 7 was felled only by plastic explosives? and not by a raging diesel fuel fire burning out of control with all the papers, and other combustable materials inside of WTC 7.

Before you jump into another thread that its a fact that no building in the past has ever collasped from fire, those buildings had firefighters actively trying to put out those fires.

Maybe you were living in a cave with UBL on 9-11-01, but that whole WTC area was a complete disaster area, FDNY was more concerned with rescuing people and 343 fellow fire fighters then trying to put out fully enveloped 47 floor office building fire.

Next thing you're going to spew is that it wasn't a Boeing 757 that crashed into the Pentagon, but a cruise missle fired from a U.S. Navy destroyer off the coast of New Jersey.

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chodadog

Careful. He'll call you a sheep!

Great bit of info. Where'd you get it, out of curiousity. 'Cause you just know he's going to say you made it up.

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Mojo

So the reason for the big conspiracy to secretly demolish the building was because "There were CIA offices" in it. Why weren't all CIA offices demolished on that day? The secrect, incriminating documents were only there? No one had a copy machine?

So, why didn't the secret military force just remove the forbidden documents instead of demolishing the building?

And if they demolished the building to destroy the documents, did they assume that the USA government does not have access to a Xerox machine and could have made copies?

Does the USA government have no concept of the term "remote file storage"?

Wouldn't have been easier to engineeer and cover up a simple theft of documents rather than secretly demolish a building?


Ok, do I wear my tin foil hat with the shiny side in our out?

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Buff

My humble question as a United States Army Special Forces Engineer/Demolitions Sgt for 6 years in 20th Group Special Forces is this:

Who exactly are you crediting with killing the building (military lingo trumps civilian lingo)? Who did the target analysis (structural analysis for you douchebag pedestrians)? When were the charges placed? What type of explosives were used?

Thank you.

Buff

Honeyslut

Maybe the terrorist rigged the building to fall and nobody wants to admit it

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erehwon

Heh, if you can't tell, online porn isn't the day job, yet.

So in the sprirt of open source intelligence, and debunking black helicopter theories....

WTC 7 Tenants list.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tra.../tenants7.html

Size of diesel fuel storage tanks.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...236nov29.story

Boeing 767 Specs.
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/jetliner/b767/

WTC Damage report from the city of New York
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tra...amage.map.html

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Brad Xtremepay

This is where the alien conspiracy comes in.

chodadog

Nice work.

Of course, CNN and the Chicago Tribune were in on it too! haha. Wonton seems strangely quiet all of a sudden.

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