stocktrader23

A highly organized, actual conspiracy has to be something unbelievable. Otherwise everyone would believe it.

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No, this is what did it:

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wonton

1 - Everything is NOT a conspiracy.

2- If you supplied evidence to counter the mountain of hard evidence that points to government complicity in 9/11, I would look at it and judge it on its own merits.

Sadly, you, like most others, simply repeat the CONSPIRACY THEORY that the government has put out through the major media. That 13 guys with box cutters (6 of whom are still alive according to the BBC and UK Gaurdian and were never on the planes) defeated the entire US military establishment. You bring no facts to the table. You merely parrot a story with enough holes to drive a Mack truck through.

Just take the case of six of the 9/11 hijackers being still alive (see BBC's Newsnight archive documentary). That alone blows away the government's story. That alone should inspire any intelligent person to AT LEAST QUESTION the official story. But people are sheep. And unfortunately you choose to graze with them.

NoCarrier

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wonton

Ironic that you should post a picture of the Lone Gunmen. I never watched the show but it is eerie that an episode of the Lone Gunmen, broadcast in March 2001, centered around a passenger jet that was being remotely steered into the WTC. And NO - I do not contend that this TV show was part of any conspiracy but some do!!


LONE GUNMEN 911 PREDICTION EPISODE

buddyjuf

I, honestly, believe that it's a conspiracy

that's all, move along

NoCarrier

Oh God.. I'm not even sure that medication or even therapy can help you.. You are way beyond human help.

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wonton

You assume too much and read too little.

I stated that I do NOT believe that the Lone Gunmen episode is part of any conspiracy but that OTHERS do.

Now who needs the medication here?

Rob

I cant' do it, Captian! I haven't got the Powrrrrr!!!!!

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KingK7

Oh dear Lord, make it stop...
Reading through this almost gave me a seizure.
I just can not believe people are THIS retarded

wonton, put your tinfoil hat on and go hide under your bed. Now.
They are coming for you.

wonton

The tin foil hat retort is getting old. It is a vacuous dodge to facing serious questions.

Step out of your mass hypnosis and see thing as they really are - not the way some compromised media monopoly wants you to see things. TV really is an idiot box that has spawned a nation of child-like idiots, incapable of questioning authority, incapable of questioning the party line.

NoCarrier

The fact that you kept that link and it was readily available for all the "debunkers" (that's how you conspiracy freaks call us).

I really feel sorry for you man I'm not kidding there. It's like helping someone who was brainwashed by a religion cult. It will take time.

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KingK7

Fair enough, but even insinuating that the US government is behind the WTC is just totally fucking ridiculous/insane, and should be a warning sign to people who know you. Before you break out your gun and start shooting people, I mean.
Get help.

wonton

What "kept that link"? Have you ever heard of Google? It took me all of three seconds to find that link. You should try doing some simple research some day. It's really not that hard.

You are one of the sheep NoCarrier, which is all the more unfortunate seeing that you are Canadian. Usually Canadians are able to see "out of the box" more than Americans as their media is not yet totally compromised. But sadly, you too graze with the sheep...sheep being led to the slaughter.

Baaaaa. Baaaa.

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Phoenix

This will be a point of contention for years to come. Fifty years from now, people will be throwing around blame, and someone will make a movie, much like the movie JFK.

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KingK7

Are you the same person as that Massive Cock or whatever?
( I guess there are multiple personalities involved in this case, but you know what I mean )

wonton

You hit the nail on the head right there. This typical statement is sad proof that America is in danger of going down the tubes. Do you realize what YOU are saying?

You are essentially saying that "Government would never fool the people on issues of War and would NEVER allow its own people to be killed. Any arguments to the contrary must be rejected a priori".

Dangerous. Dangerous. Dangerous and quite naive. Please research history, including the history of our very own USA.

This attitude is a recipe for giving carte blanche to corrupt government officials that you should not even trust to tie your shoe laces.

dicknixon

Not like I am stating I believe or don't believe. But it is really odd that everyone is so ready to backup the story that we given to us by the govt.

I think it is safe to say that all of us would agree that the govt. has conspired and lied to the public. Is it for our own good? who knows. . . But I just don't think it is that out of line to question & research information coming from the top. Calling someone crazy for questioning the govts released information just doesn't make sense to me.

wonton

Yes I am from the US. By day I work as a research analyst for a Washington D.C. security think-tank. By night, I sell porn to supplement my meager income.

Do I expect you to believe the above? Nope. But so what. It's better if you don't.

NoCarrier

Hahaha.. Well, you are a mad cow case. You are delirious, you are infected and you are about to die. But you still believe that you're the healthy one.

The problem with you guys is that you only need attention. You need to prove something you are not. It's like a drug. You need that drug, every day. Conspiracy theories are blinding you from reality.

I can imagine the ad :

You see eggs being cooked..

"This is what conspiracy theories can do to your brain".

And you'd still think that the ad is part of a conspiracy theory..

I really feel sorry for you man.. It will take time..

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KingK7

I am not american. I dont like the US govt much either, and I think they are in fact lying about a whole lot. Again, saying that they rigged the WTC is just plain insane. Its not even worth discussing.

That piece of shit X-Files TV show bred way too many like you.

wonton

Thank you Mr. Nixon. The bottom line is that I am simply asking people to question authority and to be just a little bit cynical when those in power ask for even more power, all in the guise of giving us more security.

It was Benjamin Franklin who once said:

"Those who would trade a freedom for a promise of greater security deserve neither".

But then again, few on this board know who Ben Franklin was so it's kind of a waste. But I like to wake people up just for kicks. If 100 people laugh me down but just one other person begins to question - then it's worth it.

NoCarrier

Yeah, then you would start believing your own lies. That's what you are looking for.

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wonton

And that's why they can get away with doing what they do.

When Hitler burned the Reichstag and blamed it on the communists, the people gave him absolute power. There is no way that the Chancellor of Germany himself could have burned his own parliment building! That would have been an insane thought!

The famous historic event of Emperor Nero playing his fiddle while Rome burned by his own hand must have been fiction. He never ordered Rome to be burned and there probably was no fiddle either. The historians must be lying to us! It's insane that a leader would put his own people at risk in exchange for absolute power.

I could go on, but you get the point....

wonton

Speaking about brains...and seeing that you are located in Montreal, you should do a little research on a little CIA project called MK-Ultra. The majority of the work was performed in Montreal at McGill University in the 1940s and 1950s. Who knows, maybe it is YOU who is a victim of mind-control (of a sort) and don't even know it:

MK-ULTRA MONTREAL RESEARCH

BeHeadR

Wonton,

I agree with you fully that there is more than meets the eye, buildings do not just totally collapse due to small fire/debris. Nor are hijacked airliners allowed to fly freely around in our airspace (the most secure airspace in the world) for nearly an hour.
That and it also appears clear the pentagon was not hit by anything nearly as massive as a commercial jet, nor was there any debris consistant with a jet crash at the site of the pentagon (besides some cheap ass alluminum). Research it yourself people.

Back to the point, Wonton, I enjoy your posts as it is refreshing to see somebody who can actually think for themself and present arguements based on EVIDENCE. Everybody else here seems to get offended that their government would ever *gasp* lie to them. But I don't think this is the best place for you to post your findings...there are many much better forums with far more intelligent people than GFY. I am by no means telling you not to post your articles/findings...i'm simply saying don't get so worked up and waste your time explaining your findings here.....it just falls on deaf/ignorant ears.

Keep up the good work and open mind.

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wonton

Thanks BeHead! Good to know that there are some silent readers out there that get it. I have not posted here for a few months. I just do this for fun on days when I have nothing to do. But I think the fact that there are more clued-out people here than other forums makes it the PERFECT place for an occasional post. I like disturbing the half asleep dwellers of the Platonic cave as they sit mesmerized, staring at those shadows on the wall...

NoCarrier

Instead of wasting time trying to prove you are a fucking lunatic. You should start doing money with all the "knowledge" you have

"WAKE UP PEOPLE, ONLY SNORT YOUR PAXIL PILLS LIKE I DO". conventions. I'm sure many people will attend.

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I hope you are listening to the state of the union...bush talking about the good ole patriot act

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404

from memory, the smaller building had a huge fuel storage tank in it to feed the emergency power generator(s), which apparently played no small part in the building's demise.

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wonton

At the time of building 7's collapse there was NO FIRE in the lower floors, including the basement where the generators were located. The only small fires were in the topmost floors.

The whole thing about diesel fuel storage was brought up by FEMA during their investigation of the collapse some months later. But even their own report found no causal link between generators, fuel and the collapse. They concluded that the building collapsed for "unknown reasons". They knew that they would have gotten blasted by engineers and scientists if they officially wrote any garbage about diesel fueled generators causing the collapse. Every modern skyscraper in the world has generators and diesel fuel, yet none have collapsed due to fire.

chodadog

You make me laugh. Really. You are grasping at straws, crazy man.

You say that it's common parlance in the world of industrial demolition. Tell me, what background does Larry Silverstein have in industrial demolition that he is familiar with such terminology?

The thought never crossed your mind that he was telling them to pull the attack on the fire? To just let the building burn. Get all the firefighters out before it collapsed, because <i>they</i> determined they weren't going to be able to beat the fire.

You are such a retard.

Remind me not to pull my dick later tonight, i wouldn't want to demolish my cock with industrial explosives.

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wonton

[You say that it's common parlance in the world of industrial demolition. Tell me, what background does Larry Silverstein have in industrial demolition that he is familiar with such terminology?]

He is a major real estate developer in NYC and has been for many years. It is highly likely that he himself has overseen the demolition and/or restoration of numerous properties. Either way, the industrial term "pull the building" would, at the very least, be in his vocabulary. Silverstein is not the average man off the street.


[The thought never crossed your mind that he was telling them to pull the attack on the fire?]

Yes. But see above. Also watch the complete documentary and you will see the term "pull the building" used not once but twice in that documenatry. Silverstein uses the term, as seen in the clip, and a FDNY worker uses the term just before they actually demolish another building (Building 6 of the WTC complex).

[You are such a retard.]

I disagree with this statement.

[Remind me not to pull my dick later tonight, i wouldn't want to demolish my cock with industrial explosives. ]

You are hereby reminded.

theking

Right on...you are on the wall...we want you on the wall...we need you on the wall. Wonton the knower of truth...defender of truth...the whole truth and nothing but the truth. WTF is wrong with you people...can you not HANDLE THE TRUTH???

I love conspiracy nuts...and the nutty in general...better than any comedian on the circuit or on TV.

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chodadog

Assumption and speculation? You have no way of knowing he knew of the terminology.

This doesn't mean shit. First, you say the guy says "pull the building" while the clip with Silverstein shows him saying "Pull it."

Those are two different statements. One being made by someone in the demolition industry (presumably) that is familiar with demolition terminology and another being made by a businessman. You call this proof?

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wonton

Mr. Dog,

The only proof you really need is to watch the video of the WTC Building 7 collapse. There you will see a 47 story, modern skyscraper with two small fires in the upper floors. You will then see this perfectly solid building collapse right before your eyes, *as if it was destroyed in a perfectly timed industrial demolition*. You will also hear CBS news anchor Dan Rather stating as much.

The additional PBS video with Silverstein's infamous statement is to be watched in context with the above and hundreds of other peices of related facts. Do any one of these facts *prove* the buildings were demolished purposefully? Probably not. But do all these facts put together demonstrate, beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt of the same? Probably yes.

It's rather amazing how people will believe the government's own conspiracy theory *without a SHRED of evidence* and will still stick to the party line even if all the available evidence points in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

As I said before:

Baaaaaa. Baaaaa.

wonton

Good to see that you are finally on the right track.

When former military people stand up against the coming military dictatorship, that dictatorship will start to collapse.

Read what your former General Tommy Franks has to say about the elimination of the US Constitution after the next major terrorist attack. He also thinks Bush is a genius and refers to democracy as simply "an experiment". Read it and weep because this is the shape of things to come:


GENERAL FRANKS PREDICTS DESTRUCTION OF US CONSTITUTION

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GonePhishing

I thought the towers went down because the heat from the burning jet fuel drove heat levels higher than the metal beams could withstand. I am not saying this for sure, this is what I had heard from other news sources.

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JDog

Actually after the fall of the towers, there were a couple of the buildings destroyed, becase of the smoke damage that came from the towers falling! Anybody that didn't hear and know about the Tower 7 being demolished, and thought it collopsed with the other two towers, didn't pay close attention!

There was also the Hotel that was demolished for the same reason!

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You'll never know the truth as US government is hiding everything.

chodadog

Those two small fires? The fires were obviously big enough for the fire department to concede defeat. Oh wait, they must have been in on it as well, right?

The <i>uneducated opinion</i> of Dan Rather or any other news anchor for that matter, is irrelevant. It's funny how you don't have masses of civil engineers and demolition experts jumping around saying it was a rigged explosion.

Oh pleeeeeeeeeeeease. You'll believe anything you want to believe, and you'll distort and stretch "facts" to no end to support your theories.

And what are you? You read this nonsense and as far as you're concerned, it's fact. You just accept it without so much as a second thought. You are as much of a sheep as the most devoted CNN viewer.

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icu33774

Well i must say some interesting post here. I do see both sides of what people are saying. Wonton most of your info you are showing his is from alex jones. There are alot of things that go on these days are goverment does but does not let us know about. I find it hard to belive some material that you find out there on the net. I will admit you do bring good points and there are things that are questionable. I could show you Proof accoring to major newspapers numerous things. There are things i do question and thats stuff i actually know and not just read. like this: People for years have been talking about NWO. well i laughed for years about Until i was watching cnn last summer and the prime minister from saudi arabia was doing a live interview im gonna qoute one line from him in that interview.
"we the people of saudi arabia want to thank the united states and the NWO for working together to help ..... I cant remeber the rest off the top of my head. Then right in the middle of interview after he said that they broke away. Remember people we live in the Greatest county in the world but also one on the most cooked countys in the world!

liquidmoe

There is definitely two sides to every coin, but just look at this way. Terrorist action occurs, a nation brings those people responsible to justice. If it fails to do so, then you should ask why.

Case and point Israel and the olympic games. All terrorists involved were eventually tracked down and killed.

First WTF bombing, terrorists tracked down and tried.

Oklahoma City Bombing, tracked down and tried.

Sniper in the D.C. area (not exactly a terrorist but then again he sure did instill terror in quite a few people during his spree), tracked down and tried.

Its been how many months and how many years since 9/11 and we have no one to really bring to justice for these crimes? Don't think that crimes are easy to perpertrate, especially something of this scale, there is always a paper trail, and yet the U.S. government can't find anything?

Even if it is terrorists the way it has handled the investigation and hasn't been able to bring the party to justice is reason enough to be angry with the government.

Thank god I had no loved ones or family members or friends killed in this incident, because I would certainly be pissed with how the government dropped the ball on wrapping this matter up.

And if you still arent sure, ask yourself this, if a close relative died that day, would you have closure right now with the information released and with the way the government has acted since the event?

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Carrie

Not meaning to lend any credibility to either side of this argument, just a question.

Wonton, what would you have us do? Grab our guns (what's left of them) and go storm the White House? The CIA building? The Pentagon?
Do you think that voting out Bush will help? Never mind the old saying "here's the new boss, same as the old boss". Do we rise up and start a revolution or do we simply go put little pieces of paper in boxes this fall and hope that it all goes away?

Seriously... even if everyone who read this were to believe it, what would you have us do?

Carrie

.........and the silence was deafening.......

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