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4shadow · 05-25-2003, 03:51 AM

There is an old saying, "Good things happen to good people." I do not feel bad for any situation that Jeff from Perfection Girls finds himself in. He should trying taking care of business with his models first and then worry about the rest. It's just funny how he can go around and buy space, ads, traffic, and whatever else, but some of his models haven't been paid in MONTHS.

Trying taking care of the girls who are making you the money and good things may happen!

CDSmith · 05-25-2003, 04:04 AM

You mean this person?... http://board.gofuckyourself.com/show...threadid=87169

Should I have
<img SRC="http://members.shaw.ca/billy1-99/pics/popcorn.gif">
for breakfast?

BRISK · 05-25-2003, 04:09 AM

Wow, this guy has really had his name dragged through the virtual mud this past week.

Naughty · 05-25-2003, 04:44 AM

Hey Mr. Smith, hit me on icq please: 125586484

4shadow · 05-25-2003, 05:39 AM

Jeff is a liar, a thief, and has no respect for the people who make him his money. He doesn't even return phone calls and makes up ridiculous lies to attempt to cover his tracks. He has bounced several checks to his models and then blames it on some mysterious "bank error"??

Personally, I would not do business with him or would, at minimum, collect payment in CASH and Up Front!

Gutterboy · 05-25-2003, 05:52 AM

I'm kinda surprised he didn't make some attempt at damage control on here.

gothweb · 05-25-2003, 06:26 AM

How can you be behind on paying models? Doesn't everyone pay them cash on the spot?

C_U_Next_Tuesday · 05-25-2003, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gutterboy
I'm kinda surprised he didn't make some attempt at damage control on here.

Guilt maybe

4shadow · 05-25-2003, 06:32 AM

He pays his models monthly + percentage of sales. His checks bounce, he avoids phone calls, and changes his number so people can't contact him.

He is giving legitimate webmasters a bad name.

gothweb · 05-25-2003, 06:34 AM

Always pay per shoot, by the hour.

sweetcuties · 05-25-2003, 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by gothweb
Always pay per shoot, by the hour.

I agree... girls that do this need $$ on the spot and don't have time to wait for a check. All my girls get paid the same day, including the single girl sites I have. It's alot easier and cheaper

Mutt · 05-25-2003, 10:15 AM

some of these sleazy operators work % deals with girls on websites, a % of the revenues. Usually the girl winds up with shit, or even ZERO, nada, nothing.

U hear that John Stevens you fucking scumbag thief, soon every model who logs on to OMP is going to know your game bitch. Time for you to see how I do business when I'm pissed cocksucker.

directfiesta · 05-25-2003, 10:21 AM

I don't want to be " partner" with a model.

I shoot the stuff, they sign the release, provide proper ID, they get cash on the spot, and they are out of my life... unless I call them for another shoot.

If you can't pay them now, you probably won't be able to pay them later anyway....

AaronM · 05-25-2003, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
How can you be behind on paying models? Doesn't everyone pay them cash on the spot?

HA!

Hell no.

maxjohan · 05-25-2003, 10:23 AM

Who wants to fuck Jeff in the ass and make a site of it?

Whatever yo do threat your ladies with respect got dammit!

AaronM · 05-25-2003, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
some of these sleazy operators work % deals with girls on websites, a % of the revenues. Usually the girl winds up with shit, or even ZERO, nada, nothing.

U hear that John Stevens you fucking scumbag thief, soon every model who logs on to OMP is going to know your game bitch. Time for you to see how I do business when I'm pissed cocksucker.

Although I do not support the percentage thing...Some of the smarter models have asked for it. I still tell them no. My point is that just because somebody offers a percentage does not automatically make them sleazy.....Just stupid and possibly broke or they would pay the model up front.

AaronM · 05-25-2003, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by maxjohan
Who wants to fuck Jeff in the ass and make a site of it?

Whatever yo do threat your ladies with respect got dammit!

Yeah..."threat them with respect got damnit!"

How many webmasters/producers routinely refer to models as whores, sluts, bitches, hoes, whatever......?

If that's not showing respect then I do not know what is.

JMM · 05-25-2003, 10:32 AM

I have to disagree with this.

We have, a few times, opted to pay models a percent of the revenue rather than a flat fee.

Why would we do this? Because the only group of people that are more transient than strippers and nude models are, well, transients.

If a model is outstanding, and we want to make sure that we are able to contact them again for more work, we will offer them a percentage. When they know they have a check coming each month, they always let us know where they are. Also, models paid on a percentage, are willing to be more "aggressive" than they might have been for a flat fee.

Case in point, Sabrina and Katrina, 18 year old identical twins, swapping spit.

PostWhore · 05-25-2003, 10:39 AM

Mutt · 05-25-2003, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

Although I do not support the percentage thing...Some of the smarter models have asked for it. I still tell them no. My point is that just because somebody offers a percentage does not automatically make them sleazy.....Just stupid and possibly broke or they would pay the model up front.

this is true for sure. i have two girls who want paysites, and i will have to pay them a % of revenues, because that is what they believe is fair. I'd rather pay them a decent amount per month but in their mind they think they are going to do better, which they may, so I see their point. My worry is that they are not going to be able to understand the costs of running their sites, they'll look at the number of members and do some elementary math and go 'WTF? The site makes $10,000 a month, where's my 5 grand?'.

AaronM · 05-25-2003, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt

this is true for sure. i have two girls who want paysites, and i will have to pay them a % of revenues, because that is what they believe is fair. I'd rather pay them a decent amount per month but in their mind they think they are going to do better, which they may, so I see their point. My worry is that they are not going to be able to understand the costs of running their sites, they'll look at the number of members and do some elementary math and go 'WTF? The site makes $10,000 a month, where's my 5 grand?'.

That's one of many reasons. I am pretty sure that most people here are familiar with Toni Freeland by now. The site is based on her but she does not get a percentage. We pay her a set figure per shoot and she gets a completion bonus for every so many updates we shoot. This completion bonus makes her more apt to return and continue shooting so she can hit the next "land mark" and get the extra money. Having her under contract for a set number of updates also helps.

Another way to keep the girls comming back, in the case of a single girl type of site, is to put them on a weekly webcam show and pay them $X each week for being there. We are starting this next week with Toni and in the future, we intend to allow her to upsell members for a 1 on 1, private show and give her a percentage of the upsell.

If she gets lazy on the private shows, we still maintain our profits from the regular site subscriptions.....In this case, it will only hurt her if she begins to slack off.

SGS · 05-25-2003, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
How can you be behind on paying models? Doesn't everyone pay them cash on the spot?

No. Company cheque at the end of the day after the shoot at the same time as release and ID info is sorted, witnessed and photographed.

Sly_RJ · 05-25-2003, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
How can you be behind on paying models? Doesn't everyone pay them cash on the spot?

Why would you pay them cash? You're missing out on the write-off.

sweetcuties · 05-25-2003, 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Why would you pay them cash? You're missing out on the write-off.

You make sure you've got a receipt... the accountant figures all that shit out. It's called model expense

Mutt · 05-25-2003, 11:35 AM

Sly was figuring when the guy said 'pay cash' it was under the table off the books.

natas · 05-25-2003, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JMM
Case in point, Sabrina and Katrina, 18 year old identical twins, swapping spit.

gothweb · 05-25-2003, 11:53 AM

Twin sisters kissing is sexy.

Sly_RJ · 05-25-2003, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
Sly was figuring when the guy said 'pay cash' it was under the table off the books.

Yep.

Paul Markham · 05-25-2003, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
How can you be behind on paying models? Doesn't everyone pay them cash on the spot?

We do.

I think a bounced check might be invalidating the model release as well. But then if he has no money, what are the girls to do? No poing in trying to get blood out of a stone, best thing to do is cut off his supply of girls. Inform the agents and if he's getting girls via advertising get the girls to complain to the papers he uses.

Paul Markham · 05-25-2003, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SGS

No. Company cheque at the end of the day after the shoot at the same time as release and ID info is sorted, witnessed and photographed.

You sort the ID out at the END of the day?

gothweb · 05-25-2003, 12:18 PM

Paul is right... Failure to pay up the terms of the model release could invalidate the entire model release, and thus his (or his customers') right to use those photos. Pay upfront, its much simpler.

xdcdave · 05-25-2003, 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by natas

ditto that shit!

Naughty · 05-25-2003, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 4shadow
.... and then blames it on some mysterious "bank error"??

This troubles me. I am told the same thing, twice.

SGS · 05-25-2003, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
You sort the ID out at the END of the day?

The ID is checked before the shoot begins for obvious reasons but is photographed with the model holding it when the release is filled out. We photograph the model holding his/her ID, holding the model release and the check as well.

iwantchixx · 05-25-2003, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

That's one of many reasons. I am pretty sure that most people here are familiar with Toni Freeland by now. The site is based on her but she does not get a percentage. We pay her a set figure per shoot and she gets a completion bonus for every so many updates we shoot. This completion bonus makes her more apt to return and continue shooting so she can hit the next "land mark" and get the extra money. Having her under contract for a set number of updates also helps.

Another way to keep the girls comming back, in the case of a single girl type of site, is to put them on a weekly webcam show and pay them $X each week for being there. We are starting this next week with Toni and in the future, we intend to allow her to upsell members for a 1 on 1, private show and give her a percentage of the upsell.

If she gets lazy on the private shows, we still maintain our profits from the regular site subscriptions.....In this case, it will only hurt her if she begins to slack off.

I am very familiar with TF. My main breadwinner.
WOW! The site gets even better!

AaronM · 05-25-2003, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iwantchixx

I am very familiar with TF. My main breadwinner.
WOW! The site gets even better!

Thanks for the feedback. I am happy it is doing well for you.

4shadow · 03-10-2004, 01:20 AM

Bump for Dana....

alan-l · 03-10-2004, 01:57 AM

These guys will never learn

runaway · 03-10-2004, 03:13 AM

4shadow · 03-10-2004, 07:39 AM

KraZ · 03-10-2004, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
How can you be behind on paying models? Doesn't everyone pay them cash on the spot?

I do

Oracle Porn · 03-10-2004, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xdcdave

ditto that shit!

what he said

SEXYBIATCH · 03-10-2004, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BRISK
Wow, this guy has really had his name dragged through the virtual mud this past week.

4shadow · 03-10-2004, 01:42 PM

4shadow · 03-11-2004, 03:43 AM

Hopefully the good people at GFY will not delete my post this time - as they did my previous post. I am saying nothing untrue.

For a long time, Jeff (Perfection Girls) has been screwing people over. From his models, to affilliates, to designers, people have not been paid by Perfection Girls! This is FACT and can't be disputed.

Jeff, however, crossed a huge line today. In order to attempt to purchase the silence of his model, Dana, he offerred to finally pay her $2000 of what she is owed. In order for this payment to take place, she had to agree to come onto the GFY board and make a statement saying that all was clear with Perfection Girls and that she had not been telling the truth in her previous posts. She also had to agree to make me do the same. This is simply not going to happen. Dana and I have not said anything on this board that is false - most of which can even be supported by hard, physical, evidence such as copies of NSF checks.

In addition to his extortion attempt, he made threats against me. On speakerphone, in front of Dana and several other people, he stated that he was going to "put a bullet between my eyes" and that if he couldn't do it himself he would "hire someone to kill me." I guess he figures he can threaten and intimidate us into not telling people what a liar and thief he really is.

Jeff has managed to terrify Dana, her mother, and a couple of my friends with his threats. I have no such fear. On Thursday, March 11th, I will be filing charges with the Farmington Hills, Michigan, Police Department, to protect myself from Jeff's threats.

If anything happens to Dana, her family, myself, my family, or anyone affilliated with any of us, Jeff will be held personally responsible. If any of us were to get into a automobile accident or even HIT BY A BOLT OF LIGHTNING, Jeff will be held personally responsible. He might even consider hiring a security detail to ensure all of our safety, it's his personal freedom at stake.

This is not the way a respectable businessperson does business and I hope everyone takes note and discontinues doing business with this individual.

If anyone has any further questions about this situation, feel free to contact me at [email protected].

Duane and Dana

4shadow · 03-11-2004, 03:50 AM

4shadow · 03-11-2004, 09:44 AM

RRACY · 03-11-2004, 10:37 AM

He will have to answer to the law from here on out.

boris77 · 03-11-2004, 10:46 AM

Jeff has been fucked in the ass LOL

hoe_vender · 03-11-2004, 11:03 AM

good looking out mate

05-25-2003, 03:51 AM	#1
4shadow Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 90	Perfection Girls = SCAM There is an old saying, "Good things happen to good people." I do not feel bad for any situation that Jeff from Perfection Girls finds himself in. He should trying taking care of business with his models first and then worry about the rest. It's just funny how he can go around and buy space, ads, traffic, and whatever else, but some of his models haven't been paid in MONTHS. Trying taking care of the girls who are making you the money and good things may happen! __________________ Is still figuring this out!

05-25-2003, 04:04 AM	#2
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	You mean this person?... http://board.gofuckyourself.com/show...threadid=87169 Should I have <img SRC="http://members.shaw.ca/billy1-99/pics/popcorn.gif"> for breakfast? __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

05-25-2003, 04:09 AM	#3
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	Wow, this guy has really had his name dragged through the virtual mud this past week. __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

05-25-2003, 04:44 AM	#4
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05-25-2003, 05:39 AM	#5
4shadow Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 90	Jeff is a liar, a thief, and has no respect for the people who make him his money. He doesn't even return phone calls and makes up ridiculous lies to attempt to cover his tracks. He has bounced several checks to his models and then blames it on some mysterious "bank error"?? Personally, I would not do business with him or would, at minimum, collect payment in CASH and Up Front! __________________ Is still figuring this out!

05-25-2003, 05:52 AM	#6
Gutterboy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dis Posts: 4,751	I'm kinda surprised he didn't make some attempt at damage control on here.

05-25-2003, 06:26 AM	#7
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	How can you be behind on paying models? Doesn't everyone pay them cash on the spot? __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

05-25-2003, 06:32 AM	#9
4shadow Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 90	He pays his models monthly + percentage of sales. His checks bounce, he avoids phone calls, and changes his number so people can't contact him. He is giving legitimate webmasters a bad name. __________________ Is still figuring this out!

05-25-2003, 06:34 AM	#10
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Always pay per shoot, by the hour. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

05-25-2003, 10:15 AM	#12
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	some of these sleazy operators work % deals with girls on websites, a % of the revenues. Usually the girl winds up with shit, or even ZERO, nada, nothing. U hear that John Stevens you fucking scumbag thief, soon every model who logs on to OMP is going to know your game bitch. Time for you to see how I do business when I'm pissed cocksucker. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

05-25-2003, 10:21 AM	#13
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,682	I don't want to be " partner" with a model. I shoot the stuff, they sign the release, provide proper ID, they get cash on the spot, and they are out of my life... unless I call them for another shoot. If you can't pay them now, you probably won't be able to pay them later anyway.... __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

05-25-2003, 10:23 AM	#15
maxjohan Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 7,219	Who wants to fuck Jeff in the ass and make a site of it? Whatever yo do threat your ladies with respect got dammit! __________________ I went from 100 to 313,000 satoshis in 2 days! Lots of daily freerolls...

05-25-2003, 10:32 AM	#18
JMM Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,755	I have to disagree with this. We have, a few times, opted to pay models a percent of the revenue rather than a flat fee. Why would we do this? Because the only group of people that are more transient than strippers and nude models are, well, transients. If a model is outstanding, and we want to make sure that we are able to contact them again for more work, we will offer them a percentage. When they know they have a check coming each month, they always let us know where they are. Also, models paid on a percentage, are willing to be more "aggressive" than they might have been for a flat fee. Case in point, Sabrina and Katrina, 18 year old identical twins, swapping spit.

05-25-2003, 10:39 AM	#19
PostWhore Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,720	__________________ Ask me how to monetize with adult traffic!

05-25-2003, 11:35 AM	#25
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Sly was figuring when the guy said 'pay cash' it was under the table off the books. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

05-25-2003, 11:53 AM	#27
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Twin sisters kissing is sexy. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

05-25-2003, 12:18 PM	#31
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Paul is right... Failure to pay up the terms of the model release could invalidate the entire model release, and thus his (or his customers') right to use those photos. Pay upfront, its much simpler. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

03-10-2004, 01:20 AM	#37
4shadow Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 90	Bump for Dana.... __________________ Is still figuring this out!

03-10-2004, 01:57 AM	#38
alan-l Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: look behind you Posts: 2,477	These guys will never learn

03-10-2004, 03:13 AM	#39
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03-10-2004, 07:39 AM	#40
4shadow Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 90	bump __________________ Is still figuring this out!

03-10-2004, 01:42 PM	#44
4shadow Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 90	bump __________________ Is still figuring this out!

03-11-2004, 03:43 AM	#45
4shadow Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 90	Hopefully the good people at GFY will not delete my post this time - as they did my previous post. I am saying nothing untrue. For a long time, Jeff (Perfection Girls) has been screwing people over. From his models, to affilliates, to designers, people have not been paid by Perfection Girls! This is FACT and can't be disputed. Jeff, however, crossed a huge line today. In order to attempt to purchase the silence of his model, Dana, he offerred to finally pay her $2000 of what she is owed. In order for this payment to take place, she had to agree to come onto the GFY board and make a statement saying that all was clear with Perfection Girls and that she had not been telling the truth in her previous posts. She also had to agree to make me do the same. This is simply not going to happen. Dana and I have not said anything on this board that is false - most of which can even be supported by hard, physical, evidence such as copies of NSF checks. In addition to his extortion attempt, he made threats against me. On speakerphone, in front of Dana and several other people, he stated that he was going to "put a bullet between my eyes" and that if he couldn't do it himself he would "hire someone to kill me." I guess he figures he can threaten and intimidate us into not telling people what a liar and thief he really is. Jeff has managed to terrify Dana, her mother, and a couple of my friends with his threats. I have no such fear. On Thursday, March 11th, I will be filing charges with the Farmington Hills, Michigan, Police Department, to protect myself from Jeff's threats. If anything happens to Dana, her family, myself, my family, or anyone affilliated with any of us, Jeff will be held personally responsible. If any of us were to get into a automobile accident or even HIT BY A BOLT OF LIGHTNING, Jeff will be held personally responsible. He might even consider hiring a security detail to ensure all of our safety, it's his personal freedom at stake. This is not the way a respectable businessperson does business and I hope everyone takes note and discontinues doing business with this individual. If anyone has any further questions about this situation, feel free to contact me at [email protected]. Duane and Dana __________________ Is still figuring this out!

03-11-2004, 03:50 AM	#46
4shadow Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 90	bump __________________ Is still figuring this out!

03-11-2004, 09:44 AM	#47
4shadow Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 90	bump __________________ Is still figuring this out!

03-11-2004, 10:37 AM	#48
RRACY Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,393	He will have to answer to the law from here on out.

03-11-2004, 10:46 AM	#49
boris77 Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 546	Jeff has been fucked in the ass LOL

03-11-2004, 11:03 AM	#50
hoe_vender Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Lincoln, NE Posts: 2,018	good looking out mate __________________ ICQ #286508534