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Old 01-16-2004, 11:50 PM   #101
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Old 01-16-2004, 11:58 PM   #102
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If you want real science vs. profiteering, there you go. Food types have something called a glycemic load. The people mentioning maintaining glucose levels, carbs play a role in that, but so does saturated fat and a bunch of other factors.

I'll take Harvard over a multi-million dollar marketing machine for objective opinions on diet and health.

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Old 01-17-2004, 12:04 AM   #103
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I have been bodybuilding/nutrition most of my life and watched and tried most trends that have come along through the years. Nutrition for weightloss is one of the most argued subjects out there. Even within the educated medical community.

Extremes in any form are not good. The secret is BALANCE. Exercise, eat balanced don't over-eat don't under-eat. Find something that works for you and your lifestyle and stick with it.

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Old 01-17-2004, 12:12 AM   #104
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Sherlock, You completely miss THE point. Investigation license renewal DENIED.
There's nothing to investigate, that's what scientific researchers are for.

It's no coincidence that nearly all nutritionists and dieticians say the Atkins diet is a recipe for disaster because of the extremely high fat intake many people decide to consume.

Atkins, for the record, did have a heart attack, but claimed it had nothing to do with his diet. He died when he slipped on some ice.

When the only people telling you a diet is good are the ones making money off it, you need to carefully consider what they are saying (Ephedra, anyone?). Pay close attention to peer review, and studies that replicate original findings. Or just buy into the diet that lets you eat hot wings.

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Old 01-17-2004, 12:17 AM   #105
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The Brad diet:

Don't eat more than the allowed calories in a day
Don't eat fast food
Drink water
Walk every once in awhile

if I followed my own advice I'd be healthy.
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Old 01-17-2004, 02:25 AM   #106
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Hehe, its funny watching people get heated up over what other people eat

I dont care about the fat fucks eating at mcdicks. What bugs me is that my tax dollars will eventually pay for their hospital bills and health problems. OH well.

I dont like extremes. I've read the atkins diet, I've read the zone diet, I've read about all sorts of shit and know more about nutrition then I ever needed to.

Don't over eat
Eat lots of veggies
Don't make potatoes/rice/pasta/breads/etc the main course
Eat some protein with every meal, preferably a low fat source of protein like fish, chicken, tofu
Eat smaller meals more often - like every 3-4 hours

Diet isnt everything tho. You gotta get off the computer chair and move around a bit. Try stretching for 15-20 mins a night. Take a walk. Just that makes a big difference. Want more energy? Go to the gym 2-3 times per week and do an anaerobic (with weights) work out for 30-45 mins... ask the trainer at the gym to show you a decent workout routine.

Most people I know on the atkins diet had problems and gained the weight back or never lost any because the doctor just said "go on the atkins diet". People are dumb, gloss over the major points of the diet (atkins says exercise is good for you, why does no one on the atkins diet workout?) and see that atkins says they can eat steak and bacon so they chow down on tons of bacon and shit and complain when they dont lose any weight or feel sick. Dumbasses.
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Old 01-17-2004, 04:46 AM   #107
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so the (2) yes two, full racks of tony roma's ribs, bbq chicken leg, 2 bowls of baked beans, 3 orders of loaded potatoe skins, french toast with tons of syrup and 12 pepsi's i had yesterday would bea bad thing I guess?
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Old 01-17-2004, 06:08 AM   #108
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Well, I'm off to the supermarket to buy some more meat.
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Old 01-17-2004, 08:57 AM   #109
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Not saying Atkins doesn't work for a lot of people, but consider this. In third world countries, obesity is unusual. They life almost EXCLUSIVELY on carbs (rice) and have low heart disease, cancer, etc.

Once they get westernized and put a McDonalds on every corner, obesity (and its health risks) skyrocket.

Also, I like to take a scientific approach to all things. There isn't any evidence that long term Atkins is healthy, but there are dozens of conclusive studys that fat causes all sorts of bad things from breast cancer to colon cancer, heart disease, etc.

I recently went on a lifestyle change, based on common sense. 40 minutes a day workout, and around 1500 calories, mosty low-fat, and ignoring carb intake. (You can't really ignore carbs though, because the bad ones have so many calories).

After a month I lost 15 lbs, and more importantly, its a diet and lifestyle I can maintain for life, where most people on trendy diets can maintain it for only a month or two.

You just need to use common sense. Look back no further to when I was a kid, and obesity was relatively rare. Everyone ate smaller portions though, we all walked a lot more, and fast food was a rare treat, maybe once every couple weeks or so.

Schools never served soda or fries, and we ate 95% home cooked UNPROCESSED foods.

That is all that is needed to stay fit in my opinion, common sense and a major lifestyle change, albeit one that is not that hard to make and very easy to live with.
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Old 01-17-2004, 09:11 AM   #110
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I agree with Saint. If people are disciplined enough to stick to some complicated diet, why cant they just be disciplined enough to simply eat a healthy normal well balanced diet and get exercise.


This is a stupid thing to appeal to lazy americans that want to lose their blubber without doing work. Other countries like in Asia would probalby laugh their ass off about this atkins stuff.
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Old 01-17-2004, 09:24 AM   #111
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I wish people would stop confusing the number on the scale with healthiness.

I used to lift weights intensely for 2 years and kept on a strict diet. My weight was around 190lbs.

I have since stopped, softened up, and rarely make it to the gym. I weigh 176.

I am DEFINATELY less healthy now than I was before, but that MAGICAL NUMBER ON THE SCALE IS LESS!

That's why I cringe when I see about these "fad" diets. I totally agree with the fact that you lose "weight", but at what cost? This diet has been around since the 70's. If it was so good for the body, don't you think that most doctors would reccomend it?

It just falls right into our north american "fast food" mentality. Everything needs to be instant. "What? You started going to the gym, eating right, and only lost 6 pounds this month? Well Suzy Bigtits on my street lost 13 on the Atkins in a month! Why are you wasting your time?"

Kudos to anyone who has gotten a new lease on life due to the Atkins diet, and changed their lifestyle. But please don't confuse that number on the scale with how healthy you are.
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