Ok $50million.

I used to be all over so called "scammers" and "spammers". Now I just realized they have bigger balls and are smarter than most of is.

What Atherton did made MILLIONS and MILLIONS. I would bet 99% of us would do the same thing if we had the opportunity......

yup

all the cry babies would be have done the same if they could.

There's nothing terribly smart about double and triple billing your customers. He is only as ruthless as he can afford to be, without $750,000 deposits he can't get merchant accounts, according to some court records at least.

It's far more rewarding to make millions legitimately than by stealing it. Atherton is lazy and unscrupulous. I don't look up to him for the same reason I don't look up to Enron execs or bank robbers. However, I'd be dumb if I didn't watch what he was doing and try to improve upon it, or adopt it to fit a legit business strategy. :winkwink:

- Titus

are you actually taking traffic to that now? last time the links were put up (the initial paris boom) i got an email telling me to take them down after i had sent a bunch of traffic over

I am wondering if L3 unplugged the servers by Federal order.
L3 does good business.

And it is not normal to put down a deposit for a merchant account in the MULTI MILLONS? Most people who have played this game are not retired, living off the tens of millions.

If there is anything that might bring a smile to my face, it's hearing this. I can only pray those at WSB get what they deserve. Is any of this judgement public record?

Cheers!

:thumbsup

good question alien. i wonder if this has something to do with CAN SPAM & the FCC, as level3 clearly wasn't bothered and kept them up for something like 6-8 weeks after millions of spams, but have only now acted.

wishing cancer on your family might be a bit much but one thing is for certain, you are a cancer on this industry.

I don't know, not in the circles I move in. Then again, I've never been TMF'ed. If that is true, and VISA processing can truly just go to the highest bidder, I am very disappointed. The smaller, honest merchant suffers while they hand the big accounts to frauders while looking the other way, after taking their extortion cut.

- Titus

:1orglaugh

more

no.

For $1 million a day you can call me whatever the heck you want. :321GFY

"You are not your job.
You are not how much you have in the bank.
You are not the contents of your wallet.
You are not your fucking Khakis.
You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake.
You are the all-singing, all-dancing crap of
the world."

http://jacksurl.distantminds.com/images/fight4.jpg

Hey Brujah, for $1million a day, you can take your rhetoric and stick it up your assssssssss!

Shut the fuck up and appreciate a damn fine movie.

"This is your life and it's ending one
minute at a time."

i thought rhetoric was all you yanks consisted of :)

Atherton and his friends lost their Level 3 connectivity because of the fantastic work of the anti spam community. Atherton is a favoured target because he is such a prolific spammer.

What would you do if a man walked up to a child in a park and gave the child an A4 page with explicit sexual material on it ? That's exactly what Atherton and all other porn spammers do when they send porn spam into the mailboxes of children.

I would support any law which treated these people like the cowardly, predatory scum that they are.


From: Bill Beyer ([email protected])
Subject: Phone conversation with Level3 regarding paris hilton porn spam (Long)


Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Date: 2003-12-29 14:59:09 PST
I just got off the phone with Richard Webb at Security Operations at Level3.
He was responding to the latest barrage of emails which I've been sending to
pretty much anyone at Level3 management whose email address I could get.

A little background, I started getting the "paris hilton video" spams about
a month or so ago, all of them had the same URL on a Brazilian ISP and all
of them were using hijacked machines, etc which were all getting past the
SCbl. They were basically the same spam with different spoofed From
addresses. It soon got to the point I was getting 8-10 a day so I finally
used Sam Spade to browse the spamvertised site (it was useless BTW) but I
finally determined that all it did was redirect to
www.paris.extremexxxfootage.com which is hosted by Level3 and is listed by
Spamhaus as being under the control of Jon Atherton/Supabill. I already had
a 'bitch list' for Level3 so I started copying them in each time I processed
one of the spams and within a day or 2 got a reply back from Mr. Webb that
the site had been suspended pending investigation. The spam stopped
immediately, then about 2 weeks ago it started up again, this time using a
different URL on the same Brazilian ISP and redirecting to
www.paris2.extremexxxfootage.com which is still on Level3 at a different IP
from the first one. Again I started sending reports to everyone at Level3
which prompted a couple of nastygrams from Brett Wentworth at Level3
Security Operations. I learned later that Richard Webb was off for a few
days last week.

Since it started again the number of messages has steadily increased until
it hit a peak yesterday at 35 in one 24 hour period. I have forwarded them
all to Level3 as well as reporting them through SpamCop and after the 20 or
so I forwarded this morning this I got an email from Mr. Webb asking for a
contact phone # for him to call me.

The gist of the conversation is that the spammer is claiming he's being
joe-jobbed by one of his competitors and he supposedly was able to provide
sufficient 'proof' for Level3 to remove the suspension on the site. I told
Mr. Webb that this was complete bullshit and he knew it. Since he had
already admitted to me that Level3 had told the spammer who was complaining
about them it was clear that the spammer was taking it out on me for
complaining by including my email address in every mailing he sent out. If
the spammer was the only one who knew who the complaints were coming from
then how could his "competitors" know who to target? He didn't have an
answer for that. When he asked me why the spammer would continue to send me
emails if he knew I was complaining I explained Rule #1 to him. He didn't
have an answer for that either.

Webb also claimed that until they started hearing from me there were NO
complaints about this site. I told him that was pretty hard to believe
considering the whole IP block is listed on the SBl and that the only reason
that they weren't getting SpamCop complaints was that the Brazilian ISP was
getting them all. He then claimed that most of the emails I was sending in
had no URL in the body. I explained that with very few exceptions SpamCop
was able to parse every one of them and could see the link so what was wrong
with his abuse department? He's going to investigate.

So what can we take away from this?

Bottom line:

1. Level3 passes complaints to their abuse department directly to the
spammers without attempting to hide the identity of the complainant.

2. Their abuse/security operations doesn't even take notice until you start
really making a nuisance of yourself.

3. Even when they do investigate they do a cursory job and don't bother to
check out where the links redirect to.

4. If you make a big enough PITA of yourself they might even call you back
but don't expect a lot of satisfaction from the call.

:thumbsup

It's funny to see our experts here praising L3 for pulling their IP space and "cooperating with the antis". Think again, why did adstats go to L3 in the first place? Directly allocated IP space @ L3 or UUNet is among the most durable there is for setups like these. In fact antis *HATE* L3 cause they don't give a fuck as long as they're being paid and get no nasty snail mail lawsuit letters...

Hook a brother up with a 5mil loan! I don't know about anyone else but I have a yahoo mail account that I keep because it transfers no matter what ISP i've switched and it only gets about 40 paris hilton spams a day and yahoo has pretty good spam filters these days.

:glugglug

Why do you guys cry so much?

L3 is a tier1 provider, it's not their core business to "screen" abuse complaints, just like UUNET, VERIO and the other big guns.

Do you know how much manpower this would cost for a tier1 provider?

Let me explain what a tier1 provider does for you:
They take a cable and plug it into their backbone, then monitor your bandwidth and charge your accordingly.

THE company receiving the service must put proper methods in place to deal with their services. It is their sole discretion what they do and how much liability they wish to carry.

Stop crying and saying L3 is bad blah blah, anti-spammers dislike the big tier1 providers because they are tier1 and control the b/w and can pretty much do whatever they want.

rbl lists are proving useless anyways, just give it a year or two and they will all be gone. Contextual screening will be the only way to go to detect spam.

Bye

I'm only waiting for adstats to come back again because NOTHING converts like they, in this 5 days I have tried everything , and nothing like adstats.... Jon please hurry up and plug your servers !! we have a lot of trafficc and we dont know where to send it!!!

Scams always convert good and you're a genius.

:glugglug

It's only middle January and we already got this kind of drama? What a year it will be! :glugglug

For all the dreamers who think RBL's will go away :1orglaugh

The simple fact is that Spews, Abuseat and many other RBL's are going from strength to strength.

People are campaigning for laws to treat porn spammers like any sexual offender who shows porn to children.

Spammers, especially porn spammers, are scum. There is no other way to put it.

Looks like webair is hosting him at the moment. His pages are still accepting sales.

http://www.samspade.org/t/lookat?a=216.130.161.120

His old IP was 63.215.192.84 so I guess he recently moved.

- Titus

Edit: extremexxxfootage was 63.* now it's hosted on a BP in China. My fault. Maybe webair has been hosting adstats forever, I don't know.

If thats true then Webair can expect to be dumped into SPEWS real soon now.

I didn't think Webair was a spam supporter.. maybe Webair would like to comment on this ?

Webair, do you support SPAM ? Are you a blackhat or whitehat ?

Juicy.

:glugglug

In all fairness, they are simply hosting adstats.com for the moment. I posted this without doing enough research, tsk tsk.

Adstats.com did have some minor content links in other spam messages/websites but it doesn't at the moment.

Anyhow, none of my business, I was just poking around and noticed that. For what it's worth.

- Titus

Those who whine loudest about spam are upset they never figured out how to do so.

I use spam arrest, have no problem with spam. Try it.

The US GOVT tried to stop spam, what a joke. I will say it once again, Atherton is laughing all the way to the bank. Just wish he would still talk to me on ICQ like the old days!

:glugglug

This is the same guy that ripped off all the bangbros content and tried to make a site of it... Karma's a bitch.