No one is whining cocker. We are just pointing out to webmasters there is a flaw in your system and we have not been down for 36 hours. Yes we do have the right to defend ourselves.
And if you dont think we havnt been contacted by our customers over this...your wrong.



Oh..and 50 more hours of downtime.

240 hours

You have not been down yet you stated before you took his site down? WTF man, get your story straight. If you take a site down for non-payment, delete the plugin and no time is counted against you. Simple solution yet you can't do this one simple thing?

Do I need to slow down for you?


the 36 hours I am refering to is the 36 hours that is listed on your site that we have not been down.

Here's a solution Choker, since Phatservers seems to not like your system, why not have them provide the class c ips they have then ban them from using your service.

By them I mean clients of Phatservers.

few sugestion for choker.
First : say your script monitors sites and not servers. If script is removed then server / host is stil up.

second : doenst matter how many machines you run..if they all go down 1 hour, then downtime is one hour. Example..the whole internet goes down for 1 hour...that means there is no internet for one hour and not one hour times the servers connectd ...just my

:2 cents:

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I like the service. What I dont like is it showing 36 hours of downtime for a customer who did not pay his bills and having my sales staff have to explain this more than once to customers or potentials.

Now if these things can be worked out and shown accuratly I am all for it...I think it is a good thig cause there is alot of shit hosts ripping people off daily around here.

other sugestion. If a script is installed shouldnt you not only get the info from the script but als ping the machine. If ping is oke...site is down but server is up.

Nah, there are 120 guys using this service right now to monitor their sites. This is the main purpose of this script. The table showing all the hosts uptime and downtime is more of a afterthought than anything. I have yet to get one complaint from anyone other than hosts. I think I will reset the hosts total downtime since in all fairness until the 13th if someone deleted the plugin it would report the site as down.

What's to stop someone from getting a cheap virtual account at Isprime, Phatservers, and writing another script to purposely make them look bad. All the while having an account elsewhere that is up all the time?

I think the service should just provide the data to webmaster, and maybe after its been running a few months then maybe show your Choker Top 5 hosts based on certain data you gathered.

Moose, I was not meaning anything bad about your hosting, but you guys seem to be the only host complaining, and to a degree you have a right cause you really weren't down 40 real hrs.

But then the math does not add up as we show total time of each site monitored

Sweet! I was just gonna make a post the other night about services like this.

:thumbsup

thats solved when you monitor sites. It would be correct if it said that site xxx was down one hour and site xyz.
both sites have been down one hour. Total downtime on the sites is two hours. Total downtime on the server is one hour.

Uhm, so, if the client does then pay his bill, late, he should come back to an empty server? Yeah. That'll go down real well.

:1orglaugh

http://www.betterbeup.com/

There, every host has a clean slate now. I will NEVER EVER do this again. Only because until the 13th if the plugin was deleted the site was considered down.

umm, give it a few minutes to reset all hosts to 0. Cache thingy

http://www.thehun.com.br/ the hun will like this one in that list ...:winkwink:

CHOKER SOMEONE STOLE YOUR DESIGN! ! !
fucked asshole lets kill'm


j/k


great service!!!

The host only has to delete the plugin, not his site

Good luck man :thumbsup

I agree, this is borderline false advertising and potentially damaging to a companies business.

It is NOT monitoring the hosting company it is monitoring individual sites and already I don't want to do business with a couple of hosting companies on there based on this report. Even though I know it COULD be something else, I don't KNOW that it IS something else.

What if someone has their own unmanaged box and fucks their own stuff up? Bad report on the HOSTING company.

What if someone doesn't pay their bill and rather than just rushing in and deleting everything on their site (as suggested) they want to give the customer an opportunity to pay and not lose everything.

There HAS to be some liability issues here somewhere.

This post was made while I was typing above.
How does the hosting company know what you are running on your own boxes or even 400+ of their own?

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YES, it's total reset. All downtimes and uptimes and stats are zeroed.

From now on you DON'T have to delete plugnis. 404 is NOT causing downtime.
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Nope. No liability here. I am reporting the truth. Nothing more nothing less. If someone wishes to sue me because this program reported the truth then so be it. The "truth" is as it is posted on the site..........

Warning
The above table represents only the servers that have installed our plugin and that this service is actively monitoring. This service DOES NOT take into account server downtime due to DNS problems, sites shut down by the host, acts of God, etc. If the monitored site does not respond for ANY reason BBU will consider this site down and count this downtime up to 24 hours against the hosts total downtime. We do not guarantee the accuracy of this page, nor do we represent any of the hosting companies being monitored


There is no simple solution for al lthe scenerios everyone brought up.

Yes there is. Provide the service for individuals like every other monitoring program. Don't publically display the downtime information, 'cause more often than not, it's going to be inaccurate.

What he said.
:thumbsup

That would be too rational

Moose why not firewall his ips so he can't run his scripts. I agree with you 100% this script has major flows in it and can damage reputation. Just my :2 cents:

Moose and another thing, he is displaying Phatservers name on his website, which without your consent he can not do.

If a webmaster wants to monitor his sites with a script that's fine let the webmaster display uptime of his/her domain.

I smell whole bunch of lawsuites comming

:Graucho

Ok, I didn't sit up all night thinking about this, but this just came to me.

List the SITES name that is being monitored ALONG with the hosting companies name. That way if ALL the sites hosted by one company were showing downtime, you could be pretty sure it was a hosting issue and not the owner of imadufas.com messing with his dns settings again.

I personaly do not want to have to blacklist his IP off 400+ servers in our one local datacenter. Let alone anywhere else. Choker needs to either make his code public so we can locate and resolve any problems in the logic behind it or cease to decist. This is BS, from a technical standpoint that is.

nice - i likes alot! good idea!

awesome idea, terrible implimentation

Phatservers is golden in my book. I've leased a dedicated box from them for several months now and have had no problems whatsoever. Average response time to support request is 20 minutes. Took a real beating over new years with a video gallery hun listing AND I got FARKED the same day. Not one hiccup or decrease in performance. :thumbsup

I also believe this is a bad idea and misleading for the visitor. I understand you have a disclaimer thing that explains it all but most people wont read that, the table is showing downtime for hosts, not for individual sites. I think this is a very bad idea.

i'm either dyslexic or need glasses

cause everytime i read betterbeup.com my brain tells me that the domain is buttercup.com
:uhoh

Please show me a precedent that says I have to have a sites permission to link to them.

I have considered this. Problem is the sheer number of domains being monitored. If we can come up with a solution using this method.

Damn, Webair is down 18% of the time :helpme

I dont' know. You are using a database surely, use some grouping and sorting functions. Next to each host, place a link to sort the sites listed on that host, then people can get the bigger, whole picture. ??? Just one idea.

And try to have it divide the total time down by the number of sites hosted so that you are comparing apples to apples.

You reset all numbers late last night to zero yet it LOOKS like webair has been monitored quite a bit longer and has a lot more downtime when actually they just have more sites being monitored.

You can do it :thumbsup

This system is obviously false and misleading at best...Do you think if we had been down for 12 hours there wouldn't be complaints all over this board about it? =))

An indication that this system is flawed is choker stated that he reset the program to zero last night it now says Webair has been down for 12 hours, 12 hours hasn't elapsed yet =) according to my watch at least =) ... Not to mention had phat servers been down for as many hours as previously reported don't you think someone would have flamed them all over GFY?

Anyhow, it's obvious that this is technology unreliable...If anyone uses this to choose a host they are silly, as they are relying on UNRELIABLE INFORMATION. I honestly don't know what they are monitoring but I for one am happy it's not accurate or the phones would have been off the hook last night =)

In my opinion if it's not monitoring network uptime its useless. There are several other reputable monitoring services that are offering valid, tested, monitoring technology. I suggest using something that offers reliable information.

I have used this one in the past and its been pretty accurate: http://www.internetseer.com/

The proof will be in the his own stats if the program works or not. For example he has both rackshack and ev1(same company lol). Now lets see if they keep the same downtime or if most of the downtime occurs with dumbasses killing their machines. If that is the case, the system will not be useful.

well we won't know now that you gave it away :winkwink:

Webair, easy solution.
Just set up one box with 100 virtual sites on it with 100 of these scripts to monitor. Your downtime will be very low quick and look like you've been monitored for years. :thumbsup

I will either list the ips of each host being monitored under thier name and list each ips downtime

or

I will just take the stats page down. The stats page showing the hosts uptime is not even what this porgram is about. How many of you that are complaining have even seen the page that a user sees?

>>>>> http://betterbeup.com/ch_04/webmaste...ains&user=demo

This is what this program is all about.

I really do not have time for anymore of this shit. I did not realize that so many webmasters can look at the stats page and not understand that it does not necesarily reflect that hosts network.
I make jackshit off this program and cannot spare time defending this program. If you want to use it fine, if not that's fine too.

I hadn't, looks good.
You are not defending anything as far as I'm concerned. I'm just fucking around right now. Most people are always looking for weak points and ways to make something better. If that doesn't describe you, sorry. No harm meant.