Mrdredd

Aye yall

Im looking for a good offshore anonymous numbered account - I used to have a really!! good site but I lost it when I deleted my favorites.

I want something that is out of USA Govt. reach, where are some good banks you recommend?


Would like it to be anonymous and numbered with anonymous debit cards and will pay for those if theyre extra.



Thanks

strobi

just pay your taxes

Fu-Q

here: http://www.offshore-bank-list.com/of...bank_list.html

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ModelPerfect

Argueably, nothing is outside the government's reach. How do you plan to deposit money without some kind of paper trail?

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polish_aristocrat

Almost everything is doable.
If he's from US, he can promote only EU / Canada based sponsors, let them send the money to his offshore bank account and go to Canada every 3 months to withdraw it from his debit card ( or even use his card in the US, if it is totally anonymous ).

But I didn't say that he should do it.

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Mrdredd

i dont care if they know where its going, but i dont want it to be traced back to me .... thus the protection of the banks information, and the numbered account.

ModelPerfect

True. You just have to really careful. Your scenerio:

Guy just bought a car or a mortgage. Red flag to the government. No substantial declared income, so where's this money coming from? Check his credit cards. Hmm: he's gone to Canada several times with restaurant charges in Toronto. Check the local banks. Did he use his ID? If so, he's nailed.

Now check WhoIs. Look for domains registered under his name, email, IP. What are the listings of domains registered from his location? Time to verify the sponsor information on those sites. Check sites using his email address. What about other communication from him, logged at the ISP, pertaining to the site?

What if the sponsor has tax problems in their respective country? Another red flag. Who's this numbered account? Where are the withdrawals coming from? Canada...Toronto. Send courtesy communication to Canadian government and US (for proximity). Any US citizens make charges around that same time in that city? Yup...busted.

I'm just saying there are so many possible scenerios in this digital age to find someone, so it's not as easy as "get an offshore account". You have to either go all the way or not. For me, it's just wouldn't be worth it. I'd rather use my deductions and minimize my tax liability the best legal way I could.

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All my previous post aside, I understand completely where your coming from. I don't want anyone to have any more information on me than necessary. So I'm not pointing a finger, just taking an opportunity to post a heads-up.

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faxxaff

China (Hong Kong) and Cuba are good off shore destinations. Fly over there and open an account .... no info to Uncla Sam .

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Mrdredd

got any suggestions for a bank in china which will get me a debit card (visa or m/c) and be anonymous?

Mrdredd

What do you guys think of getting something in Prague? I was there once before, didnt have time to check out the banking situation however.

faxxaff

Czech Republic will be part of European Union (EU) in 4 months. After this there will be no more anonymous accounts. Anyhow, these accounts were just for cash savings ... without cards. Also I must say that the banking system here has a lot of influence from Austria and Germany ... so a lot of info is flowing out of the country ....

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Personally I wouldn't recomend Cuba due to their fragile banking system, but Hong Kong has a very solid modern banking system.

I wouldn't recomend opening a bank account under your own name though, that would be kind of stupid. I would recomend setting up a Hong Kong corporation with nominee service (anonymous directors and stockholders) and having the bank account under the Hong Kong corp.

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Don't get a bank directly in China, their currency is not fully convertable. A bank in Hong Kong (A territory owned by China) is good though.

Bank of East Asia is a good bank to go with.

Also keep in mind that you need to pay yourself a realistic salary. Unless you plan to live in Hong Kong, you will need to pay some money to the IRS or they will be suspicous.

Or you could just move to Hong Kong. Only a 16% flat income tax, no sales tax, and no capital gains tax.

Hong Kong is a Special Administrative Region so it is much more free than mainland China. Hong Kong has its own fully convertable currency, its own legal system based on British common law, and its own courts, and its own government. Beijing of course has influence there, but it allows Hong Kong to remain autonomous for most things.

Hong Kong is also the freest economy in the world according to the Heritage foundation.

Keep in mind if you move to HK and are a U.S. citizen you will still be taxed on your worldwide income, but since Hong Kong doesn't share information with Uncle Sam or any foreign government it is very easy to get around the worldwide income tax.

I believe the U.S. government doesn't tax you on your worldwide income as long as it's at or below 80k a year. However if you plan on making more, it is easy to get around as well if you live in a place like Hong Kong but not in most EU countries.

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Mrdredd

Can I do this remotely or am I going to set aside some time to fly over and take care of business? Do they care much about age over there?

Who would I have to get in touch with to setup an HK corp with those features and whats it roughly going to cost?

Would you recommend this bank as one I could use for direct deposits or should I get one elsewhere and bounce everything into that one first then into an HK acct?

I doubt I'll move to HK this soon, but it is possible in a couple years but at this point I'll probably report the income the HK shell gives me and yeah it would probably be over $100k/year.

Kimmykim

The Patriot Act has all but effectively killed anonymous banking with countries that do business or trade with the US.

If you're paying your taxes then you can put the money anywhere you want pretty much.

raceman

Pictet Bank in Geneva

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That isn't exactly true. In some places (like Hong Kong) it is illegal for the government or bank to give out any information related to tax evasion of another country such as the U.S.

Criminal activities like money laundering is a whole other ball game, and that has been illegal even in tax havens for quite a while. Now with the whole "war on terror" money laundering is of course an even bigger target.

The bottom line is to consult with an attorney, both in the U.S. and in the country or region you plan on using as a tax haven.

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You cannot do this remotely. You must be present at a branch. Also you need to be at least 18 to open a bank account there. But other than that they don't care about your age.

Use the firm for setting up your HK corp and bank account. They can explain everything much better to you as far as using your HK company to reduce your tax liability.

http://www.cheungandsiu.com/

I would not recomend directly depositing your personal income into the Hong Kong corporation. Assuming you are running a real business, you should have your sponsors and clients send all their payments to the Hong Kong corporation.

It costs about 3 grand to setup a HK corp with nominee service as well as an answering service in HK and the bank account.

If you want the HK company to pay you an income, be sure it's obivous that the HK company doesn't do business in the U.S. and that you are just a contractor (an affiliate or webmaster for example).

It would be even better if you setup a U.S. company that the HK company pays and then the U.S. company pays you a salary. Make sure to setup a contract between the two companies so it is clear that they are seperate entities.

If you want to move to Hong Kong because you want to save $$$ in taxes, I would recomend that you pull in at least a million a year. Otherwise you won't save much since HK is an expensive city. Well it's not that expensive, but property can be pricey...well these days it's comparable to New York. Food, entertainment, and so on is also comparable to New York.

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Mrdredd

Ok - what is feasible to do remotely? I need something within the next week or two and I currently have inescapable obligations which are hindering travel to HK for the time required.


Whats a good offshore bank I can setup remotely? Something that will keep information private.


I really wish I hadnt lost the link to that site, it was like $900 setup and I didnt have to be present and shit.


Something with a minimum deposit of $15k-$50k is feasible for me for opening of the initial account if I had to do it remotely, but would like to keep opening costs as low as possible

Thanks for all your help by the way man