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Mutt 01-15-2004 01:02 AM

there are people who made big money by registering great domain names before the rest of the world realized the Internet was going to become what it has. Write off those people, their experience was a once in a lifetime deal and has no bearing on what the domain biz is now.

I want to know what kind of returns people have been making on their domain portfolios since 2000. Like the people who bought drugs.com for a million or whatever it sold for, what is it worth today? Gotta believe the same million invested in real estate or the stock market grew alot more.

KRL 01-15-2004 01:18 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


KRL paid a million dollars for a domain, that doesn't automatically make him an expert on telling you the value of domains, it makes him an expert on setting the value of a domain. :)

Yep exactly right.

Does anyone actually believe a painting is really worth $75 Milllion? Or a diamond which in actuality is just carbon is worth $5 Million?

Its all about creating a sense reality from unreality.

BRISK 01-15-2004 01:19 AM

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Originally posted by Mutt
there are people who made big money by registering great domain names before the rest of the world realized the Internet was going to become what it has. Write off those people, their experience was a once in a lifetime deal and has no bearing on what the domain biz is now.

I want to know what kind of returns people have been making on their domain portfolios since 2000. Like the people who bought drugs.com for a million or whatever it sold for, what is it worth today? Gotta believe the same million invested in real estate or the stock market grew alot more.

Would be interesting to know how much business.com has made since it sold for $7.5 million in '99

KRL 01-15-2004 01:19 AM

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Originally posted by swami

I think he has the track record of already knowing how much he can make off a name.

I know marketing more than anything.

KRL 01-15-2004 01:20 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK


Would be interesting to know how much business.com has made since it sold for $7.5 million in '99

The original guys who had women.com pulled an $850 Million IPO using it.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

bawdy 01-15-2004 01:21 AM

ha ha wrong thread

swami 01-15-2004 01:51 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK


Would be interesting to know how much business.com has made since it sold for $7.5 million in '99

What I have heard on the grapevine is that only $400,00 changed hands for business.com.
The $7.5 mill was a publicity stunt.:Graucho

quiet 01-15-2004 03:06 AM

sleazy: i agree.

stock: ultraquiet at mac dot com (though honestly not too interested in going into partnership/group deals. at all :)

crypto: a couple hundred k is less than 5% of my net. i already have millions invested in real estate and land... but thanks anyway :)

Mr.Fiction 01-15-2004 04:46 AM

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Originally posted by KRL


Yep exactly right.

Does anyone actually believe a painting is really worth $75 Milllion? Or a diamond which in actuality is just carbon is worth $5 Million?

Its all about creating a sense reality from unreality.

I believe a painting is worth $75 million the moment David Geffen or Steve Wynn pays that much for it. Like Men.com. :)

lock 01-15-2004 06:21 AM

my current thoughts on domain values.
so many factors these days go so unappreciated. The original cost of a domain should be considered and length of time registered also with domains originally costing $35 x years the amount of traffic the wholesale value of traffic available. Even buying to sell is a good decision but with the right business plan.


At present with the market as it is a domain is most likely worth as much as its traffic. Non english speaking web traffic at wholesale 10,000 hits are worth $1 and english speaking 10,000 hits for $10. A newly registered domain is selling for $10
but has 0 hits unless that was getting unknown type ins it would need to hit the figures above to make whole sale traffic price.
Type ins would be a more likely success to a smaller active resell amount. Branding is where the real money has been known with domains selling for $1000s

we assume an english domain with 10,000 english speaking hits is worth more than $10 it is but you can pay that for traffic. To be selling something is what it will take to make it worth more and for that it needs a webmaster.

$10 will be lucky to buy you an hour of labour on the web.

If your buying keyword domains for type ins you will need to point them to programs to pay for the domain and investment.
EG if you bought NYdating.net LAdating.net you would want ot actually be directing them too dating sites to make up the investment.

After saying all this it is brandnames that have gone for the big dollars a small company offline with a name suddenly does well meanwhile the domain is owned buy another business in another country same name smaller market. They get offer big dollars to sell.

For every domain you buy i would recommend some sort of develepment or traffic redirection to spend 100K on names alone
would mean you have millions to achive your goals of development it would be best to invest a lesser amount on domains alone. A domain is said to be worth 4 months its income
i personally would see value of up to 2 years its worth.

Better to buy build sell. It would be better to buy a few run them with the prfits hire more man power to run more to their full potential. Buying tonnes of names eg 100k would be tough to last 12 months before another 100k are up and make 100k of sales.


On another thought a question that pends every year is to which domains should we reregister and which do we let lapse and see what happens and register it later if needed. Every domain i tried this with got snapped up in days of becoming available.

woj 01-15-2004 06:22 AM

50 domain investors

lock 01-15-2004 06:37 AM

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Originally posted by KRL


Yep exactly right.

Does anyone actually believe a painting is really worth $75 Milllion? Or a diamond which in actuality is just carbon is worth $5 Million?

Its all about creating a sense reality from unreality.

imagine the owner of the painting wanted the title as a dot.com to display it.

The might pay way over value or a housing development or shopping malls for names like northpoint southgate westend may pay for names that dont seem that good either.

QualityMpegs 01-15-2004 09:04 AM

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Originally posted by Krome
Ask yourself this...would you have bothered to buy www.google.com ?

In my opinion a domain is only what you build there.

Although I suppose like property even an used piece of land in a decent area is worth cash.

I feel the same way...I think you should invest in real estate, not domains. Unless you have something like sex.com, you better have an excellent way of promoting it.

jasmine 01-15-2004 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by quiet
say you had a couple 100K you wanted to invest in domains... what would you concentrate on? adult vs mainstream, type-ins vs marketability/brandability (is that a word?), etc? this is one area i've pretty much ignored over the years, and is now something i want to learn more about.

i KNOW some of you have thoughts and opinions etc on this topic. let's hear them. please.

:)

I would invest in Type-ins , little work for alot of recurring cash.

:2 cents:

slapass 01-15-2004 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by jasmine


I would invest in Type-ins , little work for alot of recurring cash.

:2 cents:

Is there a type in market place? I would like to buy some of these with defined traffic.

<-- total domain newb so I would overpay initially.

woj 01-15-2004 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by slapass


total domain newb so I would overpay initially.

heh, you are just asking to get screwed.

Head 01-15-2004 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by jimmy3way
Invest in the stock market, dude.
Don't intest in the stock market unless you really know whant you're doing! i thought i did till i lost 15k! Get some high risk mutual funds if you want to go that way!


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