Asian sites = worse convertions ? - GoFuckYourself.com

polish_aristocrat · 01-09-2004, 04:56 PM

Is it true that asian paysites convert worse in generall than amateurs, teens, lesbians, ebony or whatever?
If yes, what's the reason?
Certainly I am speaking about US surfers who are looking for asian porn and not chinese surfers

polish_aristocrat · 01-10-2004, 02:08 AM

Thanks for all replies.

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webgurl · 01-10-2004, 02:12 AM

If you need help on the Asian niche contact me on icq

pamphage · 01-10-2004, 02:24 AM

it must be the traffic. i've never found it to convert all that well either. then again i don't care for it, and over the years i'm sure my traffic must have somewhat similiar taste to my own.

Mr. Marks · 01-10-2004, 02:26 AM

maybe because of the cheap labor and not so good backgrounds

thekebie · 01-10-2004, 02:27 AM

I heard you can do really good if you actually make on in japanese.

foolio · 01-10-2004, 02:30 AM

alot of these asian sites get the $1 hookers from the bars over there and they all look ugly as hell and tore up. Nobody wants to get that shit.

BUT if you aim your traffic well (IE not putting an Asian gallery on a all-white TGP) and have a GOOD site you can make much money.

Its just what you are selling and how you market it. Ask yourself - "Could I jack off to this?" if the answer is yes, promote it.

polish_aristocrat · 01-10-2004, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by thekebie
I heard you can do really good if you actually make on in japanese.

wtf - i meant the normal US guys who want to see some asian pussies

Shoplifter · 01-10-2004, 03:01 AM

1:167 with Teenfilipina.com . The Japanese content sites usually have higher ratios.

I wouldn't say the ratios for Asian sites are that bad at all.

SomeCreep · 01-10-2004, 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
Is it true that asian paysites convert worse in generall than amateurs, teens, lesbians, ebony or whatever?
If yes, what's the reason?
Certainly I am speaking about US surfers who are looking for asian porn and not chinese surfers

No, I think thats just a myth. A good webmaster can convert well in any niche.

inthestars · 01-10-2004, 03:25 AM

I used to do well in the Asian niche with the AC Movies program until spring last year when conversions turned to shit. It only pays $10.50 a sign up and is streaming movie site. It's the only Asian site I've ever made coin from.

reynold · 01-10-2004, 03:39 AM

That's a generalization. It all depends on how you market the niche. Raw, amateur style Asian galleries convert really well.

GoLiaT · 01-10-2004, 03:45 AM

i have never had any good ratios on asian sponsors
horrible..

swami · 01-10-2004, 04:21 AM

There is so much free asian stuff around I think you have to target a niche in asian e.g. bukkake or japanese pussy to convert decent.
I have always had trouble converting but this month its one of my best niches and I think it because I am offering particular types of asian stuff.

slavdogg · 01-10-2004, 04:31 AM

YES asian niche is the worst converter

smproduction · 01-10-2004, 05:21 AM

It depends always on the kind of traffic you send

Sylver7 · 01-10-2004, 05:36 AM

I'm not a huge Maxcash fan but i've done pretty good with the little bit of traffic i've sent to justasianteens over the past few years.

Mr.Fiction · 01-10-2004, 05:41 AM

Asian is the worst converting of the big niches.

Libertine · 01-10-2004, 05:52 AM

Saying "asian" converts badly is about the same as saying "white" doesn't convert.
The mistake many webmasters make is to lump all "asian" content together. Japanese and south-east asian are two completely different looks though, if a surfer is looking for one of those chances are he has no particular interest in the other. Many dumb webmasters, however, simply promote it as "asian". That doesn't work.
A mistake that is just as big and is made just as often is making no difference between white on asian, asian on asian and black on asian. With US and Euro traffic white on asian does pretty well, while with asian traffic asian on asian does better.

So, naturally, if someone is looking for white on japanese content, thai on thai won't convert worth shit. That doesn't mean the niche doesn't convert, it means you don't understand the niche.

Mr.Fiction · 01-10-2004, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld
Saying "asian" converts badly is about the same as saying "white" doesn't convert.
The mistake many webmasters make is to lump all "asian" content together. Japanese and south-east asian are two completely different looks though, if a surfer is looking for one of those chances are he has no particular interest in the other. Many dumb webmasters, however, simply promote it as "asian". That doesn't work.
A mistake that is just as big and is made just as often is making no difference between white on asian, asian on asian and black on asian. With US and Euro traffic white on asian does pretty well, while with asian traffic asian on asian does better.

So, naturally, if someone is looking for white on japanese content, thai on thai won't convert worth shit. That doesn't mean the niche doesn't convert, it means you don't understand the niche.

When you're talking about niches, people generalize. The same argument you made could be made about any niche or any subniche.

Asian sites convert worse than others with similarly targetted traffic.

Libertine · 01-10-2004, 07:53 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

When you're talking about niches, people generalize. The same argument you made could be made about any niche or any subniche.

Asian sites convert worse than others with similarly targetted traffic.

They don't for me.

And yes, the same argument could be made for other niches, but webmasters make the mistake of lumping it all together more often with the asian niches.

Mr.Fiction · 01-10-2004, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld

They don't for me.

And yes, the same argument could be made for other niches, but webmasters make the mistake of lumping it all together more often with the asian niches.

I agree with you about the issue, I just think they convert worse on similar traffic.

One of the big differences with Asian sites is American Asians versus International Asians. People looking for one will often have no interest in the other.

uptheyingyang · 01-10-2004, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld
Saying "asian" converts badly is about the same as saying "white" doesn't convert.
The mistake many webmasters make is to lump all "asian" content together. Japanese and south-east asian are two completely different looks though, if a surfer is looking for one of those chances are he has no particular interest in the other. Many dumb webmasters, however, simply promote it as "asian". That doesn't work.
A mistake that is just as big and is made just as often is making no difference between white on asian, asian on asian and black on asian. With US and Euro traffic white on asian does pretty well, while with asian traffic asian on asian does better.

So, naturally, if someone is looking for white on japanese content, thai on thai won't convert worth shit. That doesn't mean the niche doesn't convert, it means you don't understand the niche.

the correct answer

kush2 · 01-10-2004, 01:38 PM

Generally speaking, Asian paysites are one of the hardest for me to convert too.

I disagree about the statement

"Saying "asian" converts badly is about the same as saying "white" doesn't convert."

I personally think that the type of people who buy Asian porn memberships are more conservatie with their credit cards. Sure, you'd get better results if you tried to niche it into Thai, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, paysites etc., but there are also those porn surfers who love all asian women.

Like I said, in general, I think the type of people that look for Asian porn are more conversative with buying porn online, so you get worse conversions.

kush2 · 01-10-2004, 01:41 PM

One more comment I want to make....

I am willing to bet that the seasoned veterans in the Asian niche achieve nowhere close to the ratios that the seasoned veterans in other major niches.

Libertine · 01-10-2004, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kush2
Generally speaking, Asian paysites are one of the hardest for me to convert too.

I disagree about the statement

"Saying "asian" converts badly is about the same as saying "white" doesn't convert."

I personally think that the type of people who buy Asian porn memberships are more conservatie with their credit cards. Sure, you'd get better results if you tried to niche it into Thai, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, paysites etc., but there are also those porn surfers who love all asian women.

Like I said, in general, I think the type of people that look for Asian porn are more conversative with buying porn online, so you get worse conversions.

Well, not surprisingly, asian on asian content attracts asian surfers. We all know what asian traffic is worth... (with a few exceptions, like japanese traffic). In many of those cases, it's not that they are conservative with credit cards, but that they either don't have them, find memberships too expensive or get scrubbed out.

Aside from that, there's also the language barrier. Japanese traffic can convert great, but it definitely does better on a site that is in japanese than on one that is in english.

What has done very well for me is white on asian content. It attracts mainly US and Euro traffic when marketed right, and if you can get your hands on content with girls that look Japanese conversions can really rock.

Rictor · 01-10-2004, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
Is it true that asian paysites convert worse in generall than amateurs, teens, lesbians, ebony or whatever?
If yes, what's the reason?
Certainly I am speaking about US surfers who are looking for asian porn and not chinese surfers

If you send general traffic, yes. If you send Asian traffic, fuck no.

Jive · 01-10-2004, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
Is it true that asian paysites convert worse in generall than amateurs, teens, lesbians, ebony or whatever?
If yes, what's the reason?
Certainly I am speaking about US surfers who are looking for asian porn and not chinese surfers

I think your right, the ratios are alittle more brutal really..

if any of the moderators/sponsors are telling you different there bullshitters they just want your traffic/hits for free and just selling you on promoting them winking there great "spam blah".. the asian market does best in there own Language
not english I'm afraid..

Jive · 01-10-2004, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jive

I think your right, the ratios are alittle more brutal really..

if any of the moderators/sponsors are telling you different there bullshitters they just want your traffic/hits for free and just selling you on promoting them winking there great "spam blah".. the asian market does best in there own Language
not english I'm afraid..

on my closing statement the best targetted money makers
if the paysites are built well enough and you have the traffic
would be
1) black traffic
2) tranny traffic.
3) mature stuff etc.. it's the niche stuff .the retains the best

Jive · 01-10-2004, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rictor

If you send general traffic, yes. If you send Asian traffic, fuck no.

"general traffic"

is by far the worse now adays.. my opinion because when you filter/water it down then it hurts the Join ratios very badly..

Targetted stuff is best.

99bb · 01-15-2004, 03:37 AM

I hate reviving a 4 day old thread, but some of the posts were priceless

However, alot of what was said definitely made sense. PunkWorld hit the nail on the head with

Quote:

Aside from that, there's also the language barrier. Japanese traffic can convert great, but it definitely does better on a site that is in japanese than on one that is in english.

Why send your Japanese traffic to an "Asian" site that is only in English and has very little branding in Asia. I suppose if you are an Affiliate of one of the large Partner Programs it is easier to just send your Asian traffic to their "Asian Site offerring" in their stable of sites. This is definitely the wrong way of going about it. There are numerous "Asian" Programs out their that have great English Support and believe me, do convert !!

As has been mentionned already, not all Asian traffic converts. In our knowledge it is the Japanese and Korean traffic that over time has been consistant, however, the chinese traffic is improving and we have seen a huge increase in members over the past few months. But the traffic volumes have been ridiculous and therefore conversions are pretty bad.

The notion that the Japanese do not use their credit cards online is histerical. Believe me, they do and retention with these guys is well over 5 months !! Of cause a good Asian sponsor will have numerous payment options for their visitors (as the same model applies for Western sites).

If anyone wants to discuss things further regarding the Asian market, I am more than happy to help.

jah

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pamphage Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 3,569	it must be the traffic. i've never found it to convert all that well either. then again i don't care for it, and over the years i'm sure my traffic must have somewhat similiar taste to my own. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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foolio ICQ: 178725656 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny San Diego Posts: 12,366	alot of these asian sites get the $1 hookers from the bars over there and they all look ugly as hell and tore up. Nobody wants to get that shit. BUT if you aim your traffic well (IE not putting an Asian gallery on a all-white TGP) and have a GOOD site you can make much money. Its just what you are selling and how you market it. Ask yourself - "Could I jack off to this?" if the answer is yes, promote it. __________________

01-10-2004, 02:12 AM	#4
webgurl Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Clouds with Carebears Posts: 7,954	If you need help on the Asian niche contact me on icq

01-10-2004, 02:26 AM	#6
Mr. Marks Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Wherever I want Posts: 7,517	maybe because of the cheap labor and not so good backgrounds

01-10-2004, 02:27 AM	#7
thekebie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Hood of Burquitlam, BC Posts: 1,046	I heard you can do really good if you actually make on in japanese.

01-10-2004, 03:01 AM	#10
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,726	1:167 with Teenfilipina.com . The Japanese content sites usually have higher ratios. I wouldn't say the ratios for Asian sites are that bad at all.

01-10-2004, 03:25 AM	#12
inthestars Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 2,021	I used to do well in the Asian niche with the AC Movies program until spring last year when conversions turned to shit. It only pays $10.50 a sign up and is streaming movie site. It's the only Asian site I've ever made coin from.

01-10-2004, 03:39 AM	#13
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	That's a generalization. It all depends on how you market the niche. Raw, amateur style Asian galleries convert really well.

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swami Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: vanuatu Posts: 1,989	There is so much free asian stuff around I think you have to target a niche in asian e.g. bukkake or japanese pussy to convert decent. I have always had trouble converting but this month its one of my best niches and I think it because I am offering particular types of asian stuff.

01-10-2004, 04:31 AM	#16
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01-10-2004, 05:52 AM	#20
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	Saying "asian" converts badly is about the same as saying "white" doesn't convert. The mistake many webmasters make is to lump all "asian" content together. Japanese and south-east asian are two completely different looks though, if a surfer is looking for one of those chances are he has no particular interest in the other. Many dumb webmasters, however, simply promote it as "asian". That doesn't work. A mistake that is just as big and is made just as often is making no difference between white on asian, asian on asian and black on asian. With US and Euro traffic white on asian does pretty well, while with asian traffic asian on asian does better. So, naturally, if someone is looking for white on japanese content, thai on thai won't convert worth shit. That doesn't mean the niche doesn't convert, it means you don't understand the niche. __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

01-10-2004, 01:38 PM	#25
kush2 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 495	Generally speaking, Asian paysites are one of the hardest for me to convert too. I disagree about the statement "Saying "asian" converts badly is about the same as saying "white" doesn't convert." I personally think that the type of people who buy Asian porn memberships are more conservatie with their credit cards. Sure, you'd get better results if you tried to niche it into Thai, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, paysites etc., but there are also those porn surfers who love all asian women. Like I said, in general, I think the type of people that look for Asian porn are more conversative with buying porn online, so you get worse conversions. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

01-10-2004, 01:41 PM	#26
kush2 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 495	One more comment I want to make.... I am willing to bet that the seasoned veterans in the Asian niche achieve nowhere close to the ratios that the seasoned veterans in other major niches. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.