These poor fucks never had a chance!!!

As someone alluded to earlier, there's context missing from this. I can see this as justifiable in certain instances and not the least in others.

However, atrocities of any leader aside, most people consider themselves to be "good" people, and try to do what they believe is the right thing to do for their people / society.

Heh.. i was wondering quite a bit about that one too..

i agree. in fact i see no problem with showing footage of the death of soldiers during war. it's the gratuitous "enjoy!" mentality of this guy's post - these guys are the "baddies" so it should be seen as wonderful entertainment. never mind the dumb schmucks getting ripped to bits were probably conscripts and had families.

my post was directed at this gung-ho guy's attitude and his feigned concern for the gas victims - not the video itself. re-read my post with its quoted context and you might see that.

It took me a few minutes, but I've finally got my sobbing under control.

Why couldn't they have just landed and played pattycake with those 'poor conscripts'? That would've made for such nice TV...

Get real people.

Enemes or not

vut HOW CAN U SHOOT ON SOMEONE WHO IS WOUNDED LYING ON THE FLOOR???!!!

that is some nazi shit

hmm isnt that against geneve convention ?

and while on the gassing, it seems at least one ex-govt official claims it wasn't deliberate but the result of the kurds being caught between the battling iraq-iran forces

http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2001/msg00862.html

What do you propose?

Land a 15 million dollar chopper in a battle zone and strap the wounded Iraqi on the back and fly him back to base.

Or better yet... one of the two chopper pilots could have just hung out and waited on the ground while the other flew the wounded soldier back to base in the two seat apache.

Or even better... let him just lay there and bleed out over the next couple hours.



Those are your options. Choose wisely.

I would think so.. But then it wouldn't be the first time americans acted like international rules didn't aply to them, would it.. A bit sad really

that is why september 11 2001 was such a nice day.

another nutbar from the same mold as highonacid *sigh*

You are forgetting something. I never said anything about the soldiers doing it. They are doing their job, a job which one could argue needs to be done.

What I am talking about are the sick fucks who are enjoying watching this. I'm not talking about the people who ordered the war, nor the people giving the soldiers the commands, nor even the soldiers doing the shooting.
I'm talking about those who are enjoying seeing it.

War is bad, but sometimes it's needed. However, that does not make it a fucking comedy show. Neither does it mean that the soldiers of "the enemy" are suddenly all bad guys who deserve to die. Note the slight difference between deserving to die and needing to die - yes, it might be necessary to kill them, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing they're getting killed.


Those of you who enjoy watching stuff like this are exactly the same as the arabs cheering when the WTC was blown up, or the Palestinians cheering when yet another suicide bomber blows up a bunch of people.

War can be the most gruesome thing in the world, but at the same time it can be the only solution for a problem.
Enjoying watching other people die has nothing to do with the necessity of war, it has something to do with you being a fucked up excuse for a human being.

What is your experience in war?.....

we are very much immune to the fear and dread that war - death can cause. People use to remember these imagines hoping to never repeat them. Now its like a video game that shocks no one to the point of saying "stop it"!

Case in point, is listening to the airman giving direction and updates with no emotion - yes they are our enemy - but they are also part of the human race first

You wouldn't fair well in war.

If you did any time in the military, you would have learned one thing. The enemy is the enemy. Kill or be killed. I didn't have time to think about their family or that they were part of the human race. I was trained to keep my emotions at a level to where I can perform my duties at a high level. My duties were simple and were outlined in an op order. There was no mention of have sympathy as I am positive the enemy had no sympathy on me or my fellow team members.

There is a difference between being there as a soldier and sitting behind your computer watching the war.

Ya you got that one right!

As my military career is over, I sit behind a computer now and as I watched that video, I still felt no emotions other than sucks to be them but better them than any Allied forces.

I couldn't have put'n it any better myself, Alex! Kudos to you!

Now for you other fuckwads (hereby referred to as liberal pussies) need to get a sniff of reality! When I was a 19 year old in the Marines was I the Goverment's bitch? You're goddamn right I was! What do you think GI stands for? GOVERNMENT ISSUE - in other words whatever the government told me to do, I did! It's that simple. I was trained that when you are in a hot zone and in a war time situation it's kill or be killed. You just don't fucking get it, do you?

I'm not a "Gung-ho" individual who enjoys seeing people get blown to bits. I didn't look at that clip the same way I would watch some guy getting wacked in the nuts by his 5 year old! It was a display of WAR and the pure awe of what goes on! I posted it as a SHOW OF WAR, not as an enterainment piece for people to whack off to! Do I take it lightly? Of course I do because like I said before, I was over there during the first war and I saw U.S. soldiers getting zipped up into body bags. The guys who put my comrades into those body bags are indeed, "BAD GUYS!" so fuck them all!

If it had been three guys standing next to a pickup truck shooting the shit (or stealing fucking potatos) then yes, maybe I would have a different perspective of the entire situation. But facts are facts and they were an armed Iraqi battery unit that would have shelled the fuck out of U.S. positions given the opportunity. If you've never been in a war situation then you really need to SHUT THE FUCK UP and keep on playing Counter Strike....it fits you better!

Geneva Convention? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Show me one country other than America and England that actually follow that antiquated accord! Aren't Chemical Weapons against the Geneva Convention as well? Hmmm....Never stopped Old Bad Sadaam from using them...did it?

Go find a tree to hug or something to demonstrate against because you're obviously never going to get the point! X10

BTW - If my son is ever drafted then I know he will do a damn good job the only thing that saddens me is the fact that all you pussies will be in Canada and he'll still be fighting for your freedom!

This whole planet lives with killing and death everyday. Its a part of our very existence.

Killings in war.

Killings in crime.

Killings in animal slaughter for our food.

Death in accidents.

Death because of defective products.

etc. etc. etc.

Killing and death are all around us. Some people get to die peacefully, some get to die without even knowing what happened, some unfortunately get to die in pain and suffering.
We are an inhumane people. Let's face it.

There are children dying from not eating right now. Millions of them. Are we focusing our resources to help them? Nope. Animals being farmed, transported and slaughtered under horrific and barbaric conditions. Don't see too many people complaining on that front. Everyone just wants to be able to see their nicely packaged foods at the supermarket and don't want to know how it got there. Everyday our soldiers are getting killed. Does anyone really take it to heart after you see the same story everyday? Nope.

After being on this planet 46 years I've come to the conclusion its not really that great of a place to call home. I'm truly hoping there is an afterlife, and wherever and in whatever form that is it can't be any worse than the shit we do to each other here, and like most folks believe it will be a more peaceful and loving dimension.

We only get about 900 months of life on average. Its not much time when you think about that and put it in perspective. Death will come to each of our doorsteps. The men that killed those Iraqi's will die themselves, maybe in battle, maybe by old age. But we all die. Its not a pleasant thought in any of its means.

Yea, and now because of the war, people in Iraq don't have to worry about getting orders to lob those chemical weapons anymore. Why is that? It's not because we sat around and did nothing.

and punkworld, You are VERY naive.
Soliders kill and some die, that's what happens in war.
Like someone else said in this thread, What did you want the American Soliders to do? See if they can "talk" it out?

And you are either very stupid or very illiterate.

I already said, about a dozen times now, I'm not talking about the soldiers. Nor am I saying that war is always unjustified.

War can be necessary, and it can ultimately lead to a better overall situation. Soldiers in war in most cases have no choice but to kill, and condemning them because of that would be extremely stupid.

However, that does not mean that the death of a soldier isn't tragic, however unavoidable it may be. The fact that it's "part of war" has nothing to do with that.

That was some sweet footage

Actually it is off the news the other night, they said the apache was from the 4th infantry divioion and it was from an attack that happened december.

this is not the entire video, the part that is prior shows one of the guys throwing what looked to be an RPG out in the field.

now this is disturbing
http://216.158.136.80/murders.wmv

"maybe they were stealing potatoes" was the best line so far in this thread

Yes, that clip was EXTREMELY DISTURBING!

I saw that video a couple years back and it really has haunted me ever since. I think that footage came from the Serbian/Bosnian "War" and if I'm not mistaken breaks the Geneva Convention. Looks a lot like a ritualistic execution-style murder and is very disturbing.