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Libertine · 01-12-2004, 06:04 AM

http://betterbeup.com/

Look at the front page... candidhosting is now at 210.205% downtime?!

OzMan84 · 01-12-2004, 06:13 AM

doesnt show any stats 4 me as im not gona sign up to something worthless

Libertine · 01-12-2004, 06:20 AM

I'm not signed up either. It'll show you the stats, you just have to wait for a very, very long time before the stats thingy has loaded. (see that blank space on the front page? eventually that gets filled with a stats table)

Rorschach · 01-12-2004, 06:26 AM

I was wondering about that... I thought it was just broken and got sick of waiting.

Vitasoy · 01-12-2004, 06:35 AM

is it me or is that site slow?

OzMan84 · 01-12-2004, 06:42 AM

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Originally posted by Vitasoy
is it me or is that site slow?

sites slow

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Originally posted by punkworld
I'm not signed up either. It'll show you the stats, you just have to wait for a very, very long time before the stats thingy has loaded. (see that blank space on the front page? eventually that gets filled with a stats table)

oh ok well i left before that loaded ill check again now

Odin88 · 01-12-2004, 06:49 AM

Well, lucky me. I have the second worst host on there. And I will tell you now, betterbeup is dead accurate, and I am pissed fucking off!!!

Libertine · 01-12-2004, 06:53 AM

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Originally posted by Odin88
Well, lucky me. I have the second worst host on there. And I will tell you now, betterbeup is dead accurate, and I am pissed fucking off!!!

Dead accurate? Candidhosting really is down 217% of the time?

Trax · 01-12-2004, 06:55 AM

works fine for me here
one of my host had a little down time for of ~2 min
got icq msg.. check one of the sites and it was correct
i dont see a problem expect for candid

Odin88 · 01-12-2004, 06:57 AM

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Dead accurate? Candidhosting really is down 217% of the time?

Second worst host. Obviously there is some problem with candid hosting and the script, so I guess you could say I am on the worst host.

OzMan84 · 01-12-2004, 06:59 AM

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Originally posted by Odin88
Well, lucky me. I have the second worst host on there. And I will tell you now, betterbeup is dead accurate, and I am pissed fucking off!!!

yeh mate, im using the 2nd worst aswell and its fucked since im trying to build up good traffic, but with all this downtime people are gona lose interest in me and ill get traffic of like 30 a week

JamesK · 01-12-2004, 07:01 AM

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This is BETA version of BetterBeUP
That means: any term or any information on this page or in system may not be 100% accurate. Your goal as a beta tester is to report any failures.
Use this link to report problems on chickenboard

doh.

grumpy · 01-12-2004, 07:04 AM

Normally Choker is all over the board when it concerns him. This time its quiet...very quiet. Be ware for the storm.

Libertine · 01-12-2004, 07:05 AM

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Originally posted by Wildcard

doh.

There's a slight difference between not being 100% accurate and being more than 100% off from what is possible.
100% downtime could be attributed to a simple, single bug, but 217% means there is something more fundamentally wrong. A bug that really should've been crushed in the alpha versions.

SoundMan · 01-12-2004, 07:06 AM

better be asleep

Choker · 01-12-2004, 10:32 AM

Chill the fuck out people. This is beta. We are making changes and fixes as we go. The stats reporting that shows the hosts downtime we are having problems with, but if you judge this program by that then you are not very bright. First priority is to make sure the system catches every sort of outage. So far I think we have that covered. We will fix the sponsor downtime cache problem this week.

basschick · 01-14-2004, 04:55 PM

go to http://www.betterbeup.com/ch_04/public/DowntimeIndex

looks good. i'll be interested to see what things look like when monitoring has been in place longer for these hosts.

Moose · 01-14-2004, 05:02 PM

Its Crap.

Says we have been down for 36 hours.
If that happend you all would know about it.

Choker · 01-14-2004, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by basschick
go to http://www.betterbeup.com/ch_04/public/DowntimeIndex

looks good. i'll be interested to see what things look like when monitoring has been in place longer for these hosts.

thanks, most bugs are fixed, almost ready for official launch

Choker · 01-14-2004, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by Moose
Its Crap.

Says we have been down for 36 hours.
If that happend you all would know about it.

Could have been someone installed the plugin and fucked it up. In this case after 24 hours it would stop counting the downtime against you.

Moose · 01-14-2004, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by Choker

Could have been someone installed the plugin and fucked it up. In this case after 24 hours it would stop counting the downtime against you.

24 hours is a big difference than 36 hours

Its still crap.

Choker · 01-14-2004, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by Moose

24 hours is a big difference than 36 hours

Its still crap.

Well fuck you and the horse you rode in on if you don't like it. It's beta and it is free, so fuck off. I have heard MANY complaints that your network sucks ass. So maybe you are the one who is crap?

Ray@TastyDollars · 01-14-2004, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by Choker

Well fuck you and the horse you rode in on if you don't like it. It's beta and it is free, so fuck off. I have heard MANY complaints that your network sucks ass. So maybe you are the one who is crap?

you need to smoke a joint and relax, your gonna pop a vein

plyndrty · 01-14-2004, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by Choker

Well fuck you and the horse you rode in on if you don't like it. It's beta and it is free, so fuck off. I have heard MANY complaints that your network sucks ass. So maybe you are the one who is crap?

Damn Choker, Let's get a beer

Ever think of yoga?

Superterrorizer · 01-14-2004, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by Choker

Well fuck you and the horse you rode in on if you don't like it. It's beta and it is free, so fuck off. I have heard MANY complaints that your network sucks ass. So maybe you are the one who is crap?

I like your attitude. No wonder everyone thinks you're a fucking idiot. Maybe you and Amp should go have a drink together.

Choker · 01-14-2004, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by Ray

you need to smoke a joint and relax, your gonna pop a vein

nah it's cool, I just don't appreciate someone calling a BETA program crap. If this host showed 0 downtime he would be all about how great it is. Fact is that downtime is accurate, and is from several of his servers, not just one. I expected a lot of hosts will flame me for this program, but the least they could have done is waited until beta is over. I have yet to see a single complaint from one person who is using this to monitor thier domains. In fact I have seen a couple guys that showed thier host thier downtime and they got credited cash for it. This program gave them the proof to show their host that thier site was indeed down.

Choker · 01-14-2004, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by Superterrorizer

I like your attitude. No wonder everyone thinks you're a fucking idiot. Maybe you and Amp should go have a drink together.

Post your latest beta program here and let me call it crap a couple times and see how you react. Yeah I thought so

Superterrorizer · 01-14-2004, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by Choker

Post your latest beta program here and let me call it crap a couple times and see how you react. Yeah I thought so

Well, I would react in a professional manner, I wouldn't have a fucking hissy fit and spaz out which appears to be the norm for you.

Choker · 01-14-2004, 05:33 PM

Yes I am edgy about this program. I have even had hosts threaten to sue me over this. Fuck em all, bring it on. The address to serve me is in my Whois.

Mr.Fiction · 01-14-2004, 05:36 PM

What about Sin Host, Flying Croc, Blue Gravity, and the rest of them?

Choker · 01-14-2004, 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by Superterrorizer

Well, I would react in a professional manner, I wouldn't have a fucking hissy fit and spaz out which appears to be the norm for you.

Read my posts man, I do not have a problem with ANY user complaining about this program. It's the hosts whos sites show downtime that are constantly badgering me about this. I am getting nasty icqs and emails and I am tired of it. If any host wishes to sue me over this program, go for it.

This script was made for me to use for myself. Since I need a dedicated server for it, the server sits idle with just monitoring my domains. So I let others use it for free. I make nothing on this yet I get a lot of shit from hosts. And there is bad blood between me and whatshisface anyway.

Choker · 01-14-2004, 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
What about Sin Host, Flying Croc, Blue Gravity, and the rest of them?

If someone has their urls and support addys I will add them to the system

Moose · 01-14-2004, 05:41 PM

I would like to know where this extra 17 days came from that you have been monitoring us? 2 days ago it said 12 days monitoring time.

Is it from the same place the 36 hours of downtime came from?

All I am saying is this thing is not accurate and should not be let loose on the public till it is.

I am all for it and will support it...but if it is inaccurate..yes it is crap.

Choker · 01-14-2004, 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by Moose
I would like to know where this extra 17 days came from that you have been monitoring us? 2 days ago it said 12 days monitoring time.

Is it from the same place the 36 hours of downtime came from?

All I am saying is this thing is not accurate and should not be let loose on the public till it is.

I am all for it and will support it...but if it is inaccurate..yes it is crap.

If a hosts has one server being monitored, then after one hour tht would be 60 minutes uptime. If a host has 10 servers being monitored, then after one hour that would be 600 minutes uptime. We are going to change the format to show total minutes only. If you do the math this is the only way to show true % and time downtime of the servers being monitored. As far as not having it public until it is thru with beta, well how else can we know if there are problems are not?

Moose · 01-14-2004, 10:24 PM

Figured it out after a few hours of investigating this thing as I know for a fact we have not been down and would be gone if we were down for over 30 hours.

We disabled an account for non-payment, this particular account had more then one choker script running. All these added up quick as this customer did not pay his bill. He finally made arrangements with us a day later and we reinstated the account.

Choker you need to take this into account as what is being posted on your website in front of hundreds of webmasters right now is a false representation of hosting companys. There are other bugs I see in this thing, but this one is pretty bad. We do the right thing by cutting off a deadbeat and at the same time it looks like we are the crappiest host on the net.

I am on day 5 of no smokes and getting very cranky.

If you would like to discuss this you can email me [email protected]

Moose · 01-15-2004, 11:47 AM

Bump.
I would like to see what choker has to say about this.

Sly_RJ · 01-15-2004, 07:13 PM

Choker I had 3 clients on my ass today about your lovely public FAULTY beta script complaining about non-existent downtime. Am I pissed? Heh... you have no idea.

Choker · 01-15-2004, 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by Moose
Bump.
I would like to see what choker has to say about this.

http://www.betterbeup.com/

Warning
The above table represents only the servers that have installed our plugin and that this service is actively monitoring. This service DOES NOT take into account server downtime due to DNS problems, sites shut down by the host, acts of God, etc. If the monitored site does not respond for ANY reason BBU will consider this site down and count this downtime up to 24 hours against the hosts total downtime. We do not guarantee the accuracy of this page, nor do we represent any of the hosting companies being monitored.
About the time being monitored..If a host has 1 server being monitored, after 1 hour the total time monitored would be 1 hour. If a host has 10 servers being monitored, after one hour the total time monitored would be 10 hours. ETC

Choker · 01-15-2004, 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Choker I had 3 clients on my ass today about your lovely public FAULTY beta script complaining about non-existent downtime. Am I pissed? Heh... you have no idea.

http://www.betterbeup.com/

Until just now there was a big ole red box that said BETA. Did you miss that?

Choker · 01-15-2004, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Choker I had 3 clients on my ass today about your lovely public FAULTY beta script complaining about non-existent downtime. Am I pissed? Heh... you have no idea.

That's odd, I see no reports from the users of this service about "non-existant downtime"

http://chickenboard.com/viewforum.ph...5bb76d46 4e3a

Sly_RJ · 01-15-2004, 07:47 PM

I didn't miss anything. Did my clients and potential customers? Possibly. Either way, they were on my ass about downtime that your site is reporting. Not sure if they even use your service, but obviously browsing your site.

You're a big boy Choker, I know you're not naive enough to think that there's only a problem if someone reports it.

plyndrty · 01-15-2004, 07:52 PM

BETA BETA BETA, Stay strong Choker. I didn't see any guns held to heads.

Moose · 01-15-2004, 07:58 PM

Funny thing is...
this customer we made arrangements with has not fulfilled his end of the bargain and is being shutoff again.
Now he is running 2 sites with this so downtime minutes will add up quick. We will rule betterbeup with the most minutes.

WE will be NUMBER ONE minute producer!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im so excited.

No one can beat us!

Wizzo · 01-15-2004, 07:58 PM

Choker · 01-15-2004, 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by Moose
Funny thing is...
this customer we made arrangements with has not fulfilled his end of the bargain and is being shutoff again.
Now he is running 2 sites with this so downtime minutes will add up quick. We will rule betterbeup with the most minutes.

WE will be NUMBER ONE minute producer!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im so excited.

No one can beat us!

After 24 hours it will stop counting. What you are whinning about will affect every host so in the end the numbers will average out. You only have 3 server being monitored right now.

Choker · 01-15-2004, 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by Wizzo

hahahahah BINGO

crockett · 01-15-2004, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by Choker

nah it's cool, I just don't appreciate someone calling a BETA program crap. If this host showed 0 downtime he would be all about how great it is. Fact is that downtime is accurate, and is from several of his servers, not just one. I expected a lot of hosts will flame me for this program, but the least they could have done is waited until beta is over. I have yet to see a single complaint from one person who is using this to monitor thier domains. In fact I have seen a couple guys that showed thier host thier downtime and they got credited cash for it. This program gave them the proof to show their host that thier site was indeed down.

Why should they wait to flame you, when you bring out a program that can cost them money, out in beta form... That would be like me starting a new webmaster program and my stats not tracking the affiliates sign-ups.. opps it's just a beta don't wory it will be fixed soon....

If I install your program on my server and delete my index.html file like a total noob, then your stats show my host as being down..not my server but my host... which of course would not be true and accurate but it still reflects bad on my host, because it shows them as being down...

untill you fix that little issue of the user being able to fuck it up..it will never be accurate. Not trying to hack on you, but I belive you should have researched this project a bit more before bring it public

Choker · 01-15-2004, 08:27 PM

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Originally posted by crockett

Why should they wait to flame you, when you bring out a program that can cost them money, out in beta form... That would be like me starting a new webmaster program and my stats not tracking the affiliates sign-ups.. opps it's just a beta don't wory it will be fixed soon....

If I install your program on my server and delete my index.html file like a total noob, then your stats show my host as being down..not my server but my host... which of course would not be true and accurate but it still reflects bad on my host, because it shows them as being down...

untill you fix that little issue of the user being able to fuck it up..it will never be accurate. Not trying to hack on you, but I belive you should have researched this project a bit more before bring it public

A newb can delete every page on his site and bbu will still show it as up. What nobody fails to mention is the hosts that are being monitored and are getting NEW clients everyday because of this service. there are only 114 servers monitered right now. And beta is jsut completed. When there are 100 or more EVERY host will show downtime and the numbers will average out

Steve · 01-15-2004, 08:42 PM

Too many variables. You can have deadbeat accounts making a solid host look bad, and you can have crappy virtual accounts on overloaded boxes being compared to dependable dedicated servers.

Also, you might use a host that has the server up, but configured so shitty that you cannot even run your scripts properly. Uptime stats alone is not enough.

Ic3m4nZ · 01-15-2004, 08:53 PM

01-12-2004, 06:04 AM	#1
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	Betterbeup sucks? http://betterbeup.com/ Look at the front page... candidhosting is now at 210.205% downtime?! __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

01-12-2004, 06:13 AM	#2
OzMan84 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 4,740	doesnt show any stats 4 me as im not gona sign up to something worthless __________________ XferClick - 300,000 UV daily and growing quickly. Majority US, EU, CA and AU traffic. Contact me for more information ICQ: 304568058

01-12-2004, 06:20 AM	#3
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	I'm not signed up either. It'll show you the stats, you just have to wait for a very, very long time before the stats thingy has loaded. (see that blank space on the front page? eventually that gets filled with a stats table) __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

01-12-2004, 06:35 AM	#5
Vitasoy GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 58,202	is it me or is that site slow? __________________ [email protected]

01-12-2004, 07:04 AM	#13
grumpy Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 9,870	Normally Choker is all over the board when it concerns him. This time its quiet...very quiet. Be ware for the storm. __________________ Don't let greediness blur your vision \| You gotta let some shit slide icq - 441-456-888

01-12-2004, 06:26 AM	#4
Rorschach So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,579	I was wondering about that... I thought it was just broken and got sick of waiting.

01-12-2004, 06:49 AM	#7
Odin88 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: au Posts: 3,267	Well, lucky me. I have the second worst host on there. And I will tell you now, betterbeup is dead accurate, and I am pissed fucking off!!!

01-12-2004, 06:55 AM	#9
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	works fine for me here one of my host had a little down time for of ~2 min got icq msg.. check one of the sites and it was correct i dont see a problem expect for candid

01-12-2004, 07:06 AM	#15
SoundMan So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MidWest Posts: 3,471	better be asleep

01-12-2004, 10:32 AM	#16
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	Chill the fuck out people. This is beta. We are making changes and fixes as we go. The stats reporting that shows the hosts downtime we are having problems with, but if you judge this program by that then you are not very bright. First priority is to make sure the system catches every sort of outage. So far I think we have that covered. We will fix the sponsor downtime cache problem this week. __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

01-14-2004, 04:55 PM	#17
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	go to http://www.betterbeup.com/ch_04/public/DowntimeIndex looks good. i'll be interested to see what things look like when monitoring has been in place longer for these hosts. __________________ Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

01-14-2004, 05:02 PM	#18
Moose Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Here Posts: 1,548	Its Crap. Says we have been down for 36 hours. If that happend you all would know about it.

01-14-2004, 05:33 PM	#29
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	Yes I am edgy about this program. I have even had hosts threaten to sue me over this. Fuck em all, bring it on. The address to serve me is in my Whois. __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

01-14-2004, 05:36 PM	#30
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	What about Sin Host, Flying Croc, Blue Gravity, and the rest of them? __________________ Don't be lazy, protect free speech: ACLU \| Free Speech Coalition \| EFF \| IMPA

01-14-2004, 05:41 PM	#33
Moose Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Here Posts: 1,548	I would like to know where this extra 17 days came from that you have been monitoring us? 2 days ago it said 12 days monitoring time. Is it from the same place the 36 hours of downtime came from? All I am saying is this thing is not accurate and should not be let loose on the public till it is. I am all for it and will support it...but if it is inaccurate..yes it is crap.

01-14-2004, 10:24 PM	#35
Moose Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Here Posts: 1,548	Figured it out after a few hours of investigating this thing as I know for a fact we have not been down and would be gone if we were down for over 30 hours. We disabled an account for non-payment, this particular account had more then one choker script running. All these added up quick as this customer did not pay his bill. He finally made arrangements with us a day later and we reinstated the account. Choker you need to take this into account as what is being posted on your website in front of hundreds of webmasters right now is a false representation of hosting companys. There are other bugs I see in this thing, but this one is pretty bad. We do the right thing by cutting off a deadbeat and at the same time it looks like we are the crappiest host on the net. I am on day 5 of no smokes and getting very cranky. If you would like to discuss this you can email me [email protected] Last edited by Moose; 01-14-2004 at 10:35 PM..

01-15-2004, 11:47 AM	#36
Moose Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Here Posts: 1,548	Bump. I would like to see what choker has to say about this.

01-15-2004, 07:13 PM	#37
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	Choker I had 3 clients on my ass today about your lovely public FAULTY beta script complaining about non-existent downtime. Am I pissed? Heh... you have no idea. __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

01-15-2004, 07:47 PM	#41
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	I didn't miss anything. Did my clients and potential customers? Possibly. Either way, they were on my ass about downtime that your site is reporting. Not sure if they even use your service, but obviously browsing your site. You're a big boy Choker, I know you're not naive enough to think that there's only a problem if someone reports it. __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

01-15-2004, 07:52 PM	#42
plyndrty Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Tampa Posts: 1,477	BETA BETA BETA, Stay strong Choker. I didn't see any guns held to heads.

01-15-2004, 07:58 PM	#43
Moose Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Here Posts: 1,548	Funny thing is... this customer we made arrangements with has not fulfilled his end of the bargain and is being shutoff again. Now he is running 2 sites with this so downtime minutes will add up quick. We will rule betterbeup with the most minutes. WE will be NUMBER ONE minute producer!!!!!!!!!!!! Im so excited. No one can beat us!

01-15-2004, 07:58 PM	#44
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01-15-2004, 08:42 PM	#49
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	Too many variables. You can have deadbeat accounts making a solid host look bad, and you can have crappy virtual accounts on overloaded boxes being compared to dependable dedicated servers. Also, you might use a host that has the server up, but configured so shitty that you cannot even run your scripts properly. Uptime stats alone is not enough.

01-15-2004, 08:53 PM	#50
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