Pennsylvania says internet sites not protected by 1st Amendment of U.S. Constitution

[Mr.Fiction]

Blocking access to websites doesn't interfere with free speech because Internet addresses aren't real, according to the Pennsylvania attorney general's office.

"It is a little string of letters and numbers that acts as a superficial label," they argued in a brief. "Disablement of an ISP's customers' access to a particular URL for even an indefinite time does not implicate First Amendment rights."

Some legal experts worry that if the Pennsylvania law is allowed to stand it could pave the way for other states to pass similar laws, blocking access to sites that the states deem illegal or immoral.

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,61840,00.html

What a bunch of fucking idiots. Books aren't real speech, either. They're just a bunch of ink on some paper - why should they be protected by the Constitution?

Sorry if this has already been posted, the GFY search is broken again.

[.nihilist]

Hmm, fucking puritans.

[dodint]

Figures, PA sucks.

Can't wait to get back to NC.

[Tala]

A physical address isn't real, either. It's only a set of numbers and letters identifying where the actual home stands.

Until this ruling, I was seriously considering PA for a place to call home. Not anymore. I'm looking for other, better alternatives now.

No rush, though. I'll be in TN for at least another 4 to 6 years. Fucking college.

[SMG]

isnt pennsylvania the amish state?

[xdcdave]

[BRISK]

The ACLU sure has their hands full these days

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Blocking access to websites doesn't interfere with free speech because Internet addresses aren't real, according to the Pennsylvania attorney general's office.

"It is a little string of letters and numbers that acts as a superficial label," they argued in a brief. "Disablement of an ISP's customers' access to a particular URL for even an indefinite time does not implicate First Amendment rights."

Some legal experts worry that if the Pennsylvania law is allowed to stand it could pave the way for other states to pass similar laws, blocking access to sites that the states deem illegal or immoral.

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,61840,00.html

What a bunch of fucking idiots. Books aren't real speech, either. They're just a bunch of ink on some paper - why should they be protected by the Constitution?

Sorry if this has already been posted, the GFY search is broken again.

"""The attorney general's staff searched the Internet for child pornography and also set up a Web page that allowed Pennsylvania residents to report instances of child pornography.

The office then "sent about 500 informal notices to the ISPs through whose services the offending material had been accessed, asking the ISPs to disable their subscribers' access to the sites. The ISPs generally wrote in response that they had complied with the notice," the attorney general's office said in a brief."""


Mr. Fiction, stop defending child pornography.
As always, you're on the wrong side of the issue.

[Tala]

Originally posted by 12clicks

"""The attorney general's staff searched the Internet for child pornography and also set up a Web page that allowed Pennsylvania residents to report instances of child pornography.

The office then "sent about 500 informal notices to the ISPs through whose services the offending material had been accessed, asking the ISPs to disable their subscribers' access to the sites. The ISPs generally wrote in response that they had complied with the notice," the attorney general's office said in a brief."""


Mr. Fiction, stop defending child pornography.
As always, you're on the wrong side of the issue.

"But attorneys for the CDT argued that over 1 million websites that do not contain child pornography have also been blocked since the attorney general's office started sending out notices to ISPs in April 2002.

"It's not as simple as telling an ISP to stop people from accessing www.zzz.com. Each domain name can have several IP addresses attached to it and each upper level domain name can have hundreds of subdomains below it," said networking consultant Mike Sweeney. "It would equivalent of nuking a city block when all you needed was the flyswatter to kill the fly.

"The idea of Pennsylvania blocking sites was a misguided attempt of censorship by clueless public service officials," Sweeney added. "If they had taken the time to talk to knowledgeable technical people, all of this would have been explained at some level and the state of Pennsylvania would have been spared the embarrassment of looking like a bunch luddites who are technically inept. Trying to block sites this way is doomed to failure."

Ahem. While I'm all for the eradication of child pornography, I am NOT all for ANYONE telling me what I can and cannot veiw by blocking it through my ISP. Certainly there's a better way to help stop child pornography.

Think about it. If the law in PA states that sites can be blocked from showing immoral material, how many other states will suddenly do the same thing? Quite a few, believe it or not, I'd just about bet on it. That will bring some nasty repercussions to the adult industry. You know, the industry in which we work.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Tala
"But attorneys for the CDT argued that over 1 million websites that do not contain child pornography have also been blocked since the attorney general's office started sending out notices to ISPs in April 2002.

"It's not as simple as telling an ISP to stop people from accessing www.zzz.com. Each domain name can have several IP addresses attached to it and each upper level domain name can have hundreds of subdomains below it," said networking consultant Mike Sweeney. "It would equivalent of nuking a city block when all you needed was the flyswatter to kill the fly.

"The idea of Pennsylvania blocking sites was a misguided attempt of censorship by clueless public service officials," Sweeney added. "If they had taken the time to talk to knowledgeable technical people, all of this would have been explained at some level and the state of Pennsylvania would have been spared the embarrassment of looking like a bunch luddites who are technically inept. Trying to block sites this way is doomed to failure."

Ahem. While I'm all for the eradication of child pornography, I am NOT all for ANYONE telling me what I can and cannot veiw by blocking it through my ISP. Certainly there's a better way to help stop child pornography.

Think about it. If the law in PA states that sites can be blocked from showing immoral material, how many other states will suddenly do the same thing? Quite a few, believe it or not, I'd just about bet on it. That will bring some nasty repercussions to the adult industry. You know, the industry in which we work.

This is a step in the right direction and no doubt fine tuning is needed.
The problem with our industry is that too many nit wits think we are no different than KP criminals and every time we shout down attempts to control it, we prove their point.

Also, your statement """I am NOT all for ANYONE telling me what I can and cannot veiw by blocking it through my ISP."""

makes it sound as if *YOU* want to decide wether or not you'll look at KP. a very foolish and scary statement to make.

[Tala]

Originally posted by 12clicks


This is a step in the right direction and no doubt fine tuning is needed.
The problem with our industry is that too many nit wits think we are no different than KP criminals and every time we shout down attempts to control it, we prove their point.

Also, your statement """I am NOT all for ANYONE telling me what I can and cannot veiw by blocking it through my ISP."""

makes it sound as if *YOU* want to decide wether or not you'll look at KP. a very foolish and scary statement to make.

Taking things out of context is another way to confuse the masses, very well done. You should have been a tabloid journalist.

Put the first sentance I had in there and it sounds the exact way I meant it to sound. I hate cp, but at the same time, I'm not going to be happy if the government tells me, (in the guise of stopping cp), that I can't enjoy pornographic materials.

A great deal of fine tuning is needed to this. I applaud the desire to protect children, but not the desire to tell law-abiding adults that they can't view porn because it's immoral or otherwise. It's the pedos who need to be found and assraped by a big man called Bubba after getting severely beaten about the head and shoulders in prison.

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by 12clicks

"""The attorney general's staff searched the Internet for child pornography and also set up a Web page that allowed Pennsylvania residents to report instances of child pornography.

The office then "sent about 500 informal notices to the ISPs through whose services the offending material had been accessed, asking the ISPs to disable their subscribers' access to the sites. The ISPs generally wrote in response that they had complied with the notice," the attorney general's office said in a brief."""


Mr. Fiction, stop defending child pornography.
As always, you're on the wrong side of the issue.

As usual, I'm on the side of free speech and the U.S. Constitution, and as usual you are against it. Why do you hate America?

Luckily for you and other right wingers, there are groups like the ACLU willing to fight for your rights, even when you aren't.

[TheEnforcer]

That's just plain fucked!

[iroc409]

while i agree that there's a lot of things that i don't like on the net, or i deem inappropriate, i don't agree with censoring the internet.

if they know about these sites, why don't they do something to get them shut down?

if all they were censoring was cp, i'd be all for it. unfortunately, this is most likely only a beginning.

when you have certain lobbyists and such start swaying public officials, you can make a lot of hurt reign down.

with this way, anything can be blocked or shut down by the whim of a politician, or by someone fattening his pockets.

i agree that something needs to be done about cp, no doubt. but what happens when they start moving to other inapproptiate sites? say they start axing normal, legal adult sites? what if they start blocking forums and other sites with activists groups and such that the government (or people financially backing that government) starts closing down more and more?

granted, it *could* be (and probably would) a very slow progression. but like everything else, it eventually gets whittled down until you lose more and more. kinda like the bill of rights & constitution.

[Tala]

Originally posted by iroc409
while i agree that there's a lot of things that i don't like on the net, or i deem inappropriate, i don't agree with censoring the internet.

if they know about these sites, why don't they do something to get them shut down?
..........it eventually gets whittled down until you lose more and more. kinda like the bill of rights & constitution.

[NBDesign]

"It is a little string of letters and numbers that acts as a superficial label,"

Hmmm, what is a photograph? a bunch of little dots that make up the whole picture....

What is a story or news article? a bunch of letters strung together to make words and sentances....

What is art but a bunch of paint strokes slapped together to make the final picture.

Yea, PA sucks big time... that is wht I left as soon as I turned 18.

PA

[NetRodent]

I'm surprised that nobody has brought up the fact that the list of blocked sites is secret. The PA attorney general is not revealing (except to isps) what sites are on the list. While it may just apply to cp sites now, without any sort of oversight the temptation will always be there to put other "undesirable" sites on the list.

CP is the new communism. This just goes to show that you can get away with making almost any law if you can claim its for the children.

[MegaPussy]

Is it any surprise that the ridiculous woman on ALL the 'expose' shows about the new obscenity prosecution is from PA? She is the Justice Department's mouthpiece on the nighttime news gamut. I saw her on 20/20 and Nightline, I'm sure she slithered around elsewhere.

PA is strangely reactionary when it comes to the Internet and pornography. I know the Amish don't vote, so what gives?

- Titus

[dodint]

Originally posted by MegaPussy

PA is strangely reactionary when it comes to the Internet and pornography. I know the Amish don't vote, so what gives?

- Titus

PA has the 2nd average oldest population, coming in behind Florida, if that has anything to do with it. Senior Citizens have a massive vote, which is the same reason we can't get driver retesting for SC's passed.

Truely, PA is full of uptight motherfuckers that look out only for themselves. Something you don't notice unless you're not from here. It doesn't surprise me in the least that it seems their goal is to fuck it up for the other 49 states.

[mardigras]

Pennsylvania is definitely off my list of vacation destinations

I thought MS and AL were the most backwards state govts... apparently there are new contenders lol.

[Rich]

Yeah that's what you get for electing lunatics, pretty soon the whole country will have limited internet access. Think about it, they have the TV, print, and radio media controlled, but the sheep can get the real truth from foriegn news sources online? Yeah right, that'll change during Bushies next term. First PA, next stop DC.

[tony286]

Originally posted by 12clicks


This is a step in the right direction and no doubt fine tuning is needed.
The problem with our industry is that too many nit wits think we are no different than KP criminals and every time we shout down attempts to control it, we prove their point.

Also, your statement """I am NOT all for ANYONE telling me what I can and cannot veiw by blocking it through my ISP."""

makes it sound as if *YOU* want to decide wether or not you'll look at KP. a very foolish and scary statement to make.

We dont help that false image of being involved in KP, when I looked at a bunch of internext pics and people have models running around in short schooLgirl skirts or sites that expliot how young a girl looks.

[Pleasurepays]

idiots point out flawed or questionable court decisions to support their own twisted views of life and to rationalize their paranoia and insecurity.

unfortuneately, they never seem to post the cases where the laws were struck down later or where decisions were over ruled or point out how the system constantly corrects itself as it has been doing almost perfectly for over 300 years.

life is a scary place if you can only see the dark side of everything.

[Roger]

Shouldn't those idiots be in Saudi Arabia instead? We should offer them a one-way ticket.

[paul1000]

Originally posted by SMG
isnt pennsylvania the amish state?

[HarlotCash Dyker]

America - Land of the Free -

[Scootermuze]

Originally posted by 12clicks

"""The attorney general's staff searched the Internet for child pornography and also set up a Web page that allowed Pennsylvania residents to report instances of child pornography.

The office then "sent about 500 informal notices to the ISPs through whose services the offending material had been accessed, asking the ISPs to disable their subscribers' access to the sites. The ISPs generally wrote in response that they had complied with the notice," the attorney general's office said in a brief."""

And this is where they fuck up just like so many others..


U.S. Customs suggests that NOBODY should report such sites to anyone that has the ability to shut them down..
Customs has no way of tracking the offending sites if they are gone. They need to gain access to the content to gather evidence and this isn't possible if the isp shuts the site down..

If ya wanna rid the net of this bull.. ya gotta work with the proper authorities..

[TheSaint]

This is the same boring argument made all the time. Personally I could care less of a CP ip address gets blocked. If you are dumb enough to use shared hosting with an isp that allows that, well, who gives a fuck.

And I already turned in the farting banner to the PA attorney general, lets hope he can block that mother fucker!

As far as I am concerned the farting banner is worse than CP.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally posted by TheSaint
This is the same boring argument made all the time. Personally I could care less of a CP ip address gets blocked. If you are dumb enough to use shared hosting with an isp that allows that, well, who gives a fuck.

Says the guy that promotes teen spanking in his sig:

'Spanking without fucking is like tacos without the sauce. Our site features teens getting spanked and fucked, the most unique site on the net'

[gornyhuy]

VOTE.


Fuckers.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally posted by gornyhuy
VOTE.


Fuckers.

good point

[TurboTrucker]

Good lord. Vocal speech isn't real either, it's just a series of waves traveling through the air.