XBiz awards seriously were fucked up, with one exception. - GoFuckYourself.com

Donny · 01-09-2004, 06:48 PM

GFY was the right choice.

All the other "winners": what the fuck? Politics... pure and simple.

Sorry if this pisses anyone off. If you were one of the "winners", don't take it personal. But the best in each category were NOT chosen (with the one mentioned exception) this year.

That doesn't mean I have something against the winners. I just think there were others in each category that should have won.

TDF · 01-09-2004, 06:49 PM

i heard people at the round bar telling winners before the event

Donny · 01-09-2004, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by toodamnfli
i heard people at the round bar telling winners before the event

I was SO mad. I actually started making very loud comments. I could NOT believe who was being chosen. I am very disappointed in the judges. They obviously didn't make their choices based on who was actually the BEST in each category.

TDF · 01-09-2004, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

I was SO mad. I actually started making very loud comments. I could NOT believe who was being chosen. I am very disappointed in the judges. They obviously didn't make their choices based on who was actually the BEST in each category.

yeah, I was pretty pissed considering it was the night before the show..where was my bookie when I needed him?

Digipimp · 01-09-2004, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

I was SO mad. I actually started making very loud comments. I could NOT believe who was being chosen. I am very disappointed in the judges. They obviously didn't make their choices based on who was actually the BEST in each category.

That's the way it always works, all award shows are fake unless it's the actual people that get to vote and even then it can still end up screwed up, just look at our president.

Donny · 01-09-2004, 06:58 PM

Here are the judges:

Matt - PSW Billing
Chris - Paycom
Ron - hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Holly - Moss Consulting
Tina - VideoSecrets
Rainey - XXXCash
Norman - Matrix
Quentin - Top Bucks
Mike - Twin Dreams
MikeB - CECash
Aly - Python
Mandy - TabooRevenue
Tanja - Goodthinxxx
webmaster - Blue Design
BigB - CECash
Gary Kremen - Sex.com
Rocki - TrafficCashGold
Oystein - Mansion Productions
Raven - Sin-Text
Laurel - HustlerContent
Adrian - Auction Points
Steve - Deviant Cash
Nikko - Eurodialer
Dave - Platinum Bucks
Dokk - Dokk
Dravyk - allofem.com
Dave - Pimproll
Dave - Cyberage
Christian - Atlas Multimedia
Cynthia - AEBN
Michael - Sex Entertain

Mr.Fiction · 01-09-2004, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Digipimp

That's the way it always works, all award shows are fake unless it's the actual people that get to vote and even then it can still end up screwed up, just look at our president.

He only got a half million less votes than Gore, why shouldn't he have won?

Mr. Marks · 01-09-2004, 07:01 PM

its all in the system for judging, hope ill be chosen as a winner next time

Donny · 01-09-2004, 07:01 PM

And here are the winners:

Best Affiliate Program
ARS

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Best Content Provider
VideoSecrets

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Best Billing Service
Epoch

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Best Web Host
Webair

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Best Design Service
Wylde Sites

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Most Innovative Product
StatsRemote

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People's Choice
GoFuckYourself

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Industry Achievement
Larry Flynt

Larry deserved to win, GFY deserved to win. In all other categories, there was a better alternative.

dig420 · 01-09-2004, 07:02 PM

imho xbiz has done a helluva job since their startup, I've been very impressed.

I just went and took a look at their awards, nothing seems out of line to me except maybe Flynt's industry achievement.

in fact, everything that's come out of Helmy has been top notch since they started and they're damn nice guys, why the hate?

The Truth Hurts · 01-09-2004, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

Larry deserved to win, GFY deserved to win. In all other categories, there was a better alternative.

Such as?

Mr.Fiction · 01-09-2004, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Here are the judges:

Norman - Matrix

Digipimp · 01-09-2004, 07:05 PM

Yeah Larry Flynt has been huge for the adult internet.

Donny · 01-09-2004, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts

Such as?

For example:

ARS over Lightspeed?

Epoch over CCBill?

Webair over National Net?

Gimme a break!

Does anyone have the full list of all nominees? If so, please post.

dig420 · 01-09-2004, 07:08 PM

Epoch leaves chunks of ccbill in it's waste every morning, and ARS probably only does, oh, say, 500x the signups that LS does. Don't see how these are poor choices...

The Truth Hurts · 01-09-2004, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Digipimp
Yeah Larry Flynt has been huge for the adult internet.

Apparently Larry Flynt gets different standards applied then everyone else... usually an ACACIA signer is subject to boycott and neverending bashing here.

OY · 01-09-2004, 07:10 PM

I think Xbiz has done a fantastic job since day one as well.

As you might know, I was a judge this year - just as I was last year, and there is more...

MPA2 - Mansion Productions product was nominated not only last year, but this as well.

WE DID NOT WIN OUR CATEGORY.

All I can say is congratulations to StatsRemote for winning my category, and hope that I will be nominated next year too.

Three times is a charm, right?

And stop all the bitching, bitches...

Donny · 01-09-2004, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dig420
Epoch leaves chunks of ccbill in it's waste every morning, and ARS probably only does, oh, say, 500x the signups that LS does. Don't see how these are poor choices...

CCBill is so far ahead of Epoch in every way that it's not even funny. And how many signups a program does were not an issue.

Are you a lightspeed affiliate? Have you been inside and taken a look around?

This year's awards were based on personal relationships between the judges and the companies being judged, in my opinion. They were supposed to be based on who was the best in each category.

Mr.Fiction · 01-09-2004, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts

Apparently Larry Flynt gets different standards applied then everyone else... usually an ACACIA signer is subject to boycott and neverending bashing here.

Usually the person who gets the most votes becomes president.

Donny · 01-09-2004, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oystein
I think Xbiz has done a fantastic job since day one as well.

As you might know, I was a judge this year - just as I was last year, and there is more...

MPA2 - Mansion Productions product was nominated not only last year, but this as well.

WE DID NOT WIN OUR CATEGORY.

All I can say is congratulations to StatsRemote for winning my category, and hope that I will be nominated next year too.

Three times is a charm, right?

And stop all the bitching, bitches...

StatsRemote over MPA2 is another example of the wrong decision being made. IMHO

emmanuelle · 01-09-2004, 07:14 PM

I see 2 or 3 judges who aren't fit to judge a kiddie talent contest.

Just because someone posts on the boards, pretending that they know what they're talking about, does not qualify them to judge others. How about ensuring that ALL of the judges are people who have actually accomplished something?

Another problem is that many of the judges represent companies who have strong aliances with some of the nominees, and others have grievances.

Taint!

The Truth Hurts · 01-09-2004, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

This year's awards were based on personal relationships between the judges and the companies being judged, in my opinion.

that would be a tough play with 5 judges..
with 31, it would almost seem impossible.

The Truth Hurts · 01-09-2004, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Usually the person who gets the most votes becomes president.

not to change the subject, but..
how many times did you complain about the Electoral College system BEFORE the 2000 election?

Didn't think so.

Donny · 01-09-2004, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by emmanuelle
I see 2 or 3 judges who aren't fit to judge a kiddie talent contest.

Just because someone posts on the boards, pretending that they know what they're talking about, does not qualify them to judge others. How about ensuring that ALL of the judges are people who have actually accomplished something?

Another problem is that many of the judges represent companies who have strong aliances with some of the nominees, and others have grievances.

Taint!

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

dig420 · 01-09-2004, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

CCBill is so far ahead of Epoch in every way that it's not even funny. And how many signups a program does were not an issue.

Are you a lightspeed affiliate? Have you been inside and taken a look around?

This year's awards were based on personal relationships between the judges and the companies being judged, in my opinion. They were supposed to be based on who was the best in each category.

Donovan, in what way is CCBill ahead of Epoch? I can't think of anything off the top of my head but you're welcome to enlighten me. Regarding programs, if signups generated isn't an issue then what is? What makes LS better than ARS? They have to be pals with Donovan Phillips? That seems to be your criteria, that they've allowed you in to take a look around. Hell you can come and hang out here for an afternoon if that's what it takes ;)

dig420 · 01-09-2004, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
This year's awards were based on personal relationships between the judges and the companies being judged, in my opinion. They were supposed to be based on who was the best in each category.

I think you're basing your disappointment on your personal relationship with the companies that didn't win ;)

The Truth Hurts · 01-09-2004, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dig420

I think you're basing your disappointment on your personal relationship with the companies that didn't win ;)

OY · 01-09-2004, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

StatsRemote over MPA2 is another example of the wrong decision being made. IMHO

And I thank you for that comment, but I will always still congratulate StatsRemote for the victory and honor XBiz for the award show.

I am also a personal friend of Helmy and is up until now the biggest looser of the award show history with two nominations and two losses.

The last presidential elections on the other hand......!!!! LMAO

Paparazzi · 01-09-2004, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dig420
Epoch leaves chunks of ccbill in it's waste every morning, and ARS probably only does, oh, say, 500x the signups that LS does. Don't see how these are poor choices...

so it's based on wich one does the most signups?

Donny · 01-09-2004, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dig420

Donovan, in what way is CCBill ahead of Epoch? I can't think of anything off the top of my head but you're welcome to enlighten me. Regarding programs, if signups generated isn't an issue then what is? What makes LS better than ARS? They have to be pals with Donovan Phillips? That seems to be your criteria, that they've allowed you in to take a look around. Hell you can come and hang out here for an afternoon if that's what it takes ;)

CCBill is rock solid, consistent, and always innovative. How many posts do you see on here that say:

"Spam me with Epoch sponsors!"

???

Why do you think people want to be "spammed with CCBill sponsors"

???

Because CCBill is the best. Best admin tools. Best tracking of sales. Best at everything they do.

Lightspeed is a better affiliate program than ARS because Lightspeed offers better service to affiliates. Pure and simple.

Donny · 01-09-2004, 07:27 PM

Here are the nominees:

Best Affiliate Program:
- ARS (http://adultrevenueservice. com/)
- CECash (http://cecash. com/)
- AdultLounge (http://adultlounge. com/)
- Lightspeedcash (http://lightspeedcash. com/)

Best Content Provider:
- VideoSecrets (http://www.videosecrets. com/)
- Sexentertain (http://sexentertain. com/)
- Hustler Content (http://hustlercontent. com/)
- 1st Content (http://1stcontent. com/)

Best Billing Service:
- CCBill (http://ccbill. com/)
- Epoch Systems (http://epochsystems. com/)
- Goodthinxxcash (http://goodthinxx. com/)
- Netbilling (http://netbilling. com/)

Best Web Host:
- Webair (http://webair. com/)
- Jupiter Hosting (http://jupiterhosting. com/)
- ISPrime (http://www.isprime. com/)
- NationalNet (http://national-net. com/)

Best Design Service:
- Webinc (http://webinc. com/)
- Dickmans Design (http://dickmansdesign. com/)
- Blue Design Studios (http://bluedesignstudios. com/)
- Wyldesites (http://wyldesites. com/)

Most Innovative Product:
- AuctionPoints (http://auctionpoints. com/)
- hahahahahahahahahahahaha (http://hahahahahahahahahahahaha. com/)
- StatsRemote (http://www.statsremote. com/)
- MPA2 (http://www.mansionproductions. com/)

People's Choice:
- GFY
- Cybersocket (http://cybersocket. com/)
- XNations (http://xnations. com/)
- All Of 'Em (http://allofem. com/)

Donny · 01-09-2004, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Here are the nominees:

Best Affiliate Program:
- ARS (http://adultrevenueservice. com/)
- CECash (http://cecash. com/)
- AdultLounge (http://adultlounge. com/)
- Lightspeedcash (http://lightspeedcash. com/)

Best Content Provider:
- VideoSecrets (http://www.videosecrets. com/)
- Sexentertain (http://sexentertain. com/)
- Hustler Content (http://hustlercontent. com/)
- 1st Content (http://1stcontent. com/)

Best Billing Service:
- CCBill (http://ccbill. com/)
- Epoch Systems (http://epochsystems. com/)
- Goodthinxxcash (http://goodthinxx. com/)
- Netbilling (http://netbilling. com/)

Best Web Host:
- Webair (http://webair. com/)
- Jupiter Hosting (http://jupiterhosting. com/)
- ISPrime (http://www.isprime. com/)
- NationalNet (http://national-net. com/)

Best Design Service:
- Webinc (http://webinc. com/)
- Dickmans Design (http://dickmansdesign. com/)
- Blue Design Studios (http://bluedesignstudios. com/)
- Wyldesites (http://wyldesites. com/)

Most Innovative Product:
- AuctionPoints (http://auctionpoints. com/)

- Board Tracker (gfy doesn't allow URL to be posted)

- StatsRemote (http://www.statsremote. com/)
- MPA2 (http://www.mansionproductions. com/)

People's Choice:
- GFY
- Cybersocket (http://cybersocket. com/)
- XNations (http://xnations. com/)
- All Of 'Em (http://allofem. com/)

dig420 · 01-09-2004, 07:30 PM

LS offers a healthplan, more or better sites? better promotional material? Do you do any shoots for LS?

if I remember right, it was Epoch who came out with cross sales, member plus, cancel plus, one clicks.. ccbill has recently integrated xsales but I don't think they have the other features incorporated yet and they don't have anything unique that Epoch doesn't have that I can recall. Also, Epoch stats imho are far superior and I KNOW the scrub rate isn't nearly as bad, you make FAR more $$ with Epoch.

Nothing against CCBill or LS, they're good guys, but I think you're way off base in your complaints here.

The Truth Hurts · 01-09-2004, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

Because CCBill is the best. Best admin tools. Best tracking of sales. Best at everything they do.

best built in shaving tools.

Donny · 01-09-2004, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dig420
they don't have anything unique that Epoch doesn't have that I can recall.

So are you saying you don't use ccbill? So you don't really know what they offer?

dig420 · 01-09-2004, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

So are you saying you don't use ccbill? So you don't really know what they offer?

I used CCBill for a year or so several years ago, I still get money coming in from them. I haven't looked at the stats area recently but I haven't heard of anything new or exciting.

SteveLightspeed · 01-09-2004, 07:38 PM

I'm not complaining about losing to ARS. They are a great company. I've been inspired by some of their efforts myself.

I was damn proud to be nominated, and to receive a nice round of applause when our name was announced.

Congrats to the winners and thank you Xbiz for a good time!

Steve Lightspeed

dig420 · 01-09-2004, 07:38 PM

Donovan, do you do much shooting for LS?

Donny · 01-09-2004, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts

best built in shaving tools.

If you believe that you need to get yourself an education and move out of momma's house.

Just because Perfection Girls (allegedly) abused a great tool does not mean that tool is for shaving.

That tool makes it easy to take a recurring program and make it into a "pay per signup" program for affiliates that want PPS.

Example: I pay 50% recurring on Naked College Girls. But Choker wants PPS. So for Choker I can change him to 85% payout with zero rebills. Now all of a sudden Choker is paid $25.45 per sign up and I don't have to create a seperate sign up page for his traffic.

Cases like THAT are why such a tool was created. CCBill made it possible for affiliates to see when sponsors are abusing it.

Donny · 01-09-2004, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dig420

I used CCBill for a year or so several years ago, I still get money coming in from them. I haven't looked at the stats area recently but I haven't heard of anything new or exciting.

Log in sometime. There are lots of "new and exciting" tools.

The Truth Hurts · 01-09-2004, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

If you believe that you need to get yourself an education and move out of momma's house.

whohoo.. grade school insults!

dig420 · 01-09-2004, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightspeed
I'm not complaining about losing to ARS. They are a great company. I've been inspired by some of their efforts myself.

I was damn proud to be nominated, and to receive a nice round of applause when our name was announced.

Congrats to the winners and thank you Xbiz for a good time!

Steve Lightspeed

yeah it's saying something good to even be nominated imho, no shame in losing to a company with the huge resources that ARS has.

Donny · 01-09-2004, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dig420
Donovan, do you do much shooting for LS?

Nope. Not at all. A few years ago I shot 2 girls for them. Richard turned down the next few girls I sent to him so I stopped submitting new models to him.

dig420 · 01-09-2004, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

Log in sometime. There are lots of "new and exciting" tools.

I think I'll stick with the more exciting bank deposit Epoch gives me ;)

Donny · 01-09-2004, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts

whohoo.. grade school insults!

Read the comment again. It says "IF you believe......"

Donny · 01-09-2004, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dig420

I think I'll stick with the more exciting bank deposit Epoch gives me ;)

I assume the program in your sig is yours. If so, I'd say that you would be making more exciting deposits if you used CCBill. As pointed out further up this page, there are a LOT of people that only use CCBill sponsors. I cannot recall a post where someone wants to be spammed wiith a list of Epoch sponsors.

That being that case, those bank deposits would likely be higher if you were using CCBill.

Donny · 01-09-2004, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightspeed
I'm not complaining about losing to ARS. They are a great company. I've been inspired by some of their efforts myself.

In my original post I stated:

"That doesn't mean I have something against the winners. I just think there were others in each category that should have won."

ARS is great. But there are better choices in their category. And in many of the other categories.

dig420 · 01-09-2004, 07:48 PM

We'll have to agree to disagree. I've made substantial use of both programs and there was just no contest in the results. Maybe it would be different for someone else but Epoch just kicks CCbills ass on my sites. More initial joins and more methods for generating revenue from your existing members.

bigdog · 01-09-2004, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

For example:

ARS over Lightspeed?

Epoch over CCBill?

Webair over National Net?

Gimme a break!

Does anyone have the full list of all nominees? If so, please post.

What are you smoking thinking that lightspeed should have been picked over ARS

Donny · 01-09-2004, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dig420
We'll have to agree to disagree.

That we will.

I'm outta here for the night. I promised my girlfriend I'd stop working by 7pm. That gives me 9 minutes. Just enough time to pee and lock up.

01-09-2004, 06:48 PM	#1
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	XBiz awards seriously were fucked up, with one exception. GFY was the right choice. All the other "winners": what the fuck? Politics... pure and simple. Sorry if this pisses anyone off. If you were one of the "winners", don't take it personal. But the best in each category were NOT chosen (with the one mentioned exception) this year. That doesn't mean I have something against the winners. I just think there were others in each category that should have won.

01-09-2004, 06:49 PM	#2
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	i heard people at the round bar telling winners before the event __________________ Sig heil

01-09-2004, 07:05 PM	#13
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	Yeah Larry Flynt has been huge for the adult internet. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

01-09-2004, 07:10 PM	#17
OY Industry Pioneer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA/EU/ASIA Posts: 5,401	I think Xbiz has done a fantastic job since day one as well. As you might know, I was a judge this year - just as I was last year, and there is more... MPA2 - Mansion Productions product was nominated not only last year, but this as well. WE DID NOT WIN OUR CATEGORY. All I can say is congratulations to StatsRemote for winning my category, and hope that I will be nominated next year too. Three times is a charm, right? And stop all the bitching, bitches... __________________ Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software Outsourcing With A Norwegian Twist - NordBits - Inquire within!

01-09-2004, 07:38 PM	#37
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	I'm not complaining about losing to ARS. They are a great company. I've been inspired by some of their efforts myself. I was damn proud to be nominated, and to receive a nice round of applause when our name was announced. Congrats to the winners and thank you Xbiz for a good time! Steve Lightspeed __________________ Abra-cadabra!

01-09-2004, 06:58 PM	#6
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Here are the judges: Matt - PSW Billing Chris - Paycom Ron - hahahahahahahahahahahaha Holly - Moss Consulting Tina - VideoSecrets Rainey - XXXCash Norman - Matrix Quentin - Top Bucks Mike - Twin Dreams MikeB - CECash Aly - Python Mandy - TabooRevenue Tanja - Goodthinxxx webmaster - Blue Design BigB - CECash Gary Kremen - Sex.com Rocki - TrafficCashGold Oystein - Mansion Productions Raven - Sin-Text Laurel - HustlerContent Adrian - Auction Points Steve - Deviant Cash Nikko - Eurodialer Dave - Platinum Bucks Dokk - Dokk Dravyk - allofem.com Dave - Pimproll Dave - Cyberage Christian - Atlas Multimedia Cynthia - AEBN Michael - Sex Entertain

01-09-2004, 07:01 PM	#8
Mr. Marks Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Wherever I want Posts: 7,517	its all in the system for judging, hope ill be chosen as a winner next time

01-09-2004, 07:02 PM	#10
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	imho xbiz has done a helluva job since their startup, I've been very impressed. I just went and took a look at their awards, nothing seems out of line to me except maybe Flynt's industry achievement. in fact, everything that's come out of Helmy has been top notch since they started and they're damn nice guys, why the hate?

01-09-2004, 07:08 PM	#15
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	Epoch leaves chunks of ccbill in it's waste every morning, and ARS probably only does, oh, say, 500x the signups that LS does. Don't see how these are poor choices...

01-09-2004, 07:14 PM	#21
emmanuelle Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Oh Canada! Posts: 3,662	I see 2 or 3 judges who aren't fit to judge a kiddie talent contest. Just because someone posts on the boards, pretending that they know what they're talking about, does not qualify them to judge others. How about ensuring that ALL of the judges are people who have actually accomplished something? Another problem is that many of the judges represent companies who have strong aliances with some of the nominees, and others have grievances. Taint!

01-09-2004, 07:27 PM	#31
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Here are the nominees: Best Affiliate Program: - ARS (http://adultrevenueservice. com/) - CECash (http://cecash. com/) - AdultLounge (http://adultlounge. com/) - Lightspeedcash (http://lightspeedcash. com/) Best Content Provider: - VideoSecrets (http://www.videosecrets. com/) - Sexentertain (http://sexentertain. com/) - Hustler Content (http://hustlercontent. com/) - 1st Content (http://1stcontent. com/) Best Billing Service: - CCBill (http://ccbill. com/) - Epoch Systems (http://epochsystems. com/) - Goodthinxxcash (http://goodthinxx. com/) - Netbilling (http://netbilling. com/) Best Web Host: - Webair (http://webair. com/) - Jupiter Hosting (http://jupiterhosting. com/) - ISPrime (http://www.isprime. com/) - NationalNet (http://national-net. com/) Best Design Service: - Webinc (http://webinc. com/) - Dickmans Design (http://dickmansdesign. com/) - Blue Design Studios (http://bluedesignstudios. com/) - Wyldesites (http://wyldesites. com/) Most Innovative Product: - AuctionPoints (http://auctionpoints. com/) - hahahahahahahahahahahaha (http://hahahahahahahahahahahaha. com/) - StatsRemote (http://www.statsremote. com/) - MPA2 (http://www.mansionproductions. com/) People's Choice: - GFY - Cybersocket (http://cybersocket. com/) - XNations (http://xnations. com/) - All Of 'Em (http://allofem. com/)

01-09-2004, 07:30 PM	#33
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	LS offers a healthplan, more or better sites? better promotional material? Do you do any shoots for LS? if I remember right, it was Epoch who came out with cross sales, member plus, cancel plus, one clicks.. ccbill has recently integrated xsales but I don't think they have the other features incorporated yet and they don't have anything unique that Epoch doesn't have that I can recall. Also, Epoch stats imho are far superior and I KNOW the scrub rate isn't nearly as bad, you make FAR more $$ with Epoch. Nothing against CCBill or LS, they're good guys, but I think you're way off base in your complaints here.

01-09-2004, 07:48 PM	#48
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	We'll have to agree to disagree. I've made substantial use of both programs and there was just no contest in the results. Maybe it would be different for someone else but Epoch just kicks CCbills ass on my sites. More initial joins and more methods for generating revenue from your existing members.