Adobe Admits To Secret US Govt Program Code Is In Photoshop - GoFuckYourself.com

KRL · 01-09-2004, 08:17 PM

WASHINGTON -- Adobe Systems Inc. acknowledged Friday it quietly added technology to the world's best-known graphics software at the request of government regulators and international bankers to prevent consumers from making copies of the world's major currencies.

The unusual concession has angered scores of customers.

Adobe, the world's leading vendor for graphics software, said the secretive technology "would have minimal impact on honest customers." It generates a warning message when someone tries to make digital copies of some currencies.

The U.S. Federal Reserve and other organizations that worked on the technology said they could not disclose how it works and would not name which other software companies include it in their products. They cited concerns that counterfeiters would try to defeat it.

"We sort of knew this would come out eventually," Adobe spokesman Russell Brady said. "We can't really talk about the technology itself."

A Microsoft Corp. spokesman, Jim Desler, said the technology was not built into versions of its dominant Windows operating system.

Rival graphics software by Taiwan-based Ulead Systems Inc. also blocks customers from making copies of currency.

Experts said the decision by Adobe represents one of the rare occasions when the U.S. technology industry has agreed to include third-party software code into commercial products at the request of government and finance officials.

Adobe revealed it added the technology after a customer complained in an online support forum about mysterious behavior by the new $649 "Photoshop CS" software when opening an image of a U.S. $20 bill.

Kevin Connor, Adobe's product management director, said the company did not disclose the technology at the request of international bankers. He said Adobe may add the detection mechanism to its other products.

"The average consumer is never going to encounter this in their daily use," Connor said. "It just didn't seem like something meaningful to communicate."

Angry customers have flooded Adobe's Internet message boards with complaints about censorship and concerns over future restrictions on other types of images, such as copyrighted or adult material.

"I don't believe this. This shocks me," said Stephen M. Burns, president of the Photoshop users group in San Diego. "Artists don't like to be limited in what they can do with their tools. Let the U.S. government or whoever is involved deal with this, but don't take the powers of the government and place them into a commercial software package."

Connor said the company's decision to use the technology was "not a step down the road towards Adobe becoming Big Brother."

Adobe said the technology slows its software's performance "just a fraction of a second" and urged customers to report unexpected glitches. It said there may be room for improvement.

The technology was designed recently by the Central Bank Counterfeit Deterrence Group, a consortium of 27 central banks in the United States, England, Japan, Canada and across the European Union, where there already is a formal proposal to require all software companies to include similar anti-counterfeit technology.

"The industry has been very open to understanding the nature of the problem," said Richard Wall, the Bank of Canada's representative to the counterfeit deterrence group. "We're very happy with the response."

Some policy experts were divided on the technology. Bruce Schneier, an expert on security and privacy, praised the anti-counterfeit technology.

Another security expert, Gene Spafford of Purdue University, said Adobe should have notified its customers prominently. He wondered how closely Adobe was permitted to study the technology's inner-workings to ensure it was stable and performed as advertised.

"If I were the paranoid-conspiracy type, I would speculate that since it's not Adobe's software, what else is it doing?" Spafford said.

69pornlinks · 01-09-2004, 08:26 PM

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Originally posted by Mystery Man
I think thats a good addon.

I wonder what else is in there.

Rorschach · 01-09-2004, 08:27 PM

Apparently you can get around it by importing from ImageReady, or by chopping up the image and reassembling. This was on Slashdot a couple of days ago, and some guy was saying that it's been a feature in photocopiers for years.

KRL · 01-09-2004, 08:28 PM

But what else is going on if you open a picture of currency in Photoshop? Does it secretly forward your ISP info to the Feds? Or you e-mail address?

Also it mentions the same technology can restrict the creation of adult pictures.

doober · 01-09-2004, 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by 69pornlinks

I wonder what else is in there.

exactly what im thinking....
Also if your not connected to the net how the hell can any info be reported back to them?

US gov has to much power as it is

KRL · 01-09-2004, 08:30 PM

I'm sure they could take it a step further and install code in Photoshop that tags porn pics secretly and then they can be tracked covertly worldwide by govt. agencies to see whose downloading them, or creating them, or distributing them.

Argoz · 01-09-2004, 08:32 PM

Do you have a link for this news?

KRL · 01-09-2004, 08:36 PM

Wow, just thinking you could really do serious tracking and monitoring of people if the Feds have installed this technology into Microsoft Word, Outlook and MSN IM which are used by most everyone online.

All you'd have to do is have the code send an identifying IP Address along with their ISP to the FBI or NSA everytime someone types specific keywords when writing an e-mail, or an IM, or drafting a document in Word.

Now that's fucking scary Big Brother time.

psyko514 · 01-09-2004, 08:40 PM

move to Canada.

Dveron · 01-09-2004, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by pixhell
Do you have a link for this news?

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5138816.html

gornyhuy · 01-09-2004, 08:42 PM

Every once in a while I think the govt is a bunch of beauracratic boobs that can't really have any command over the population, and then I hear some big brother news like this...

wow.

01-09-2004, 08:46 PM

the world is a very scary place

AvanteGuard · 01-09-2004, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by doober

exactly what im thinking....
Also if your not connected to the net how the hell can any info be reported back to them?

US gov has to much power as it is

Wouldn't zonealarm or any port/internet watcher/protection program pick that up?

doober · 01-09-2004, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AvanteGuard
Wouldn't zonealarm or any port/internet watcher/protection program pick that up?

You misunderstood what im saying tho....if You have no net comnnection whatsoever what good would it do to have this stuff inside software?

pr0 · 01-09-2004, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
I'm sure they could take it a step further and install code in Photoshop that tags porn pics secretly and then they can be tracked covertly worldwide by govt. agencies to see whose downloading them, or creating them, or distributing them.

All the better reason to download a pirated version.

KRL · 01-09-2004, 09:07 PM

Has anyone tried opening an image of bill in Photoshop? What happens when you do?

Its so creepy to not really know what the hell is really buried in all the programs we use and surreptiously working in the background.

KRL · 01-09-2004, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pr0

All the better reason to download a pirated version.

True. Who buys PS retail anyway.

sumphatpimp · 01-09-2004, 09:09 PM

see, I died

sumphatpimp · 01-09-2004, 09:10 PM

I think somebody jerks off

doober · 01-09-2004, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sumphatpimp

see, I died

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The requested page does not exist on this server. The URL you typed or followed is either outdated or inaccurate.

sumphatpimp · 01-09-2004, 09:13 PM

KRL · 01-09-2004, 09:16 PM

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Originally posted by sumphatpimp

So it creates a grid behind Washington and fucks up the Eagle on the back.

Messes up the shading on the letters up top also.

arg · 01-09-2004, 09:18 PM

Currency today, porn tomorrow..."Sorry, Photoshop is unable to process this image due to double anal penetration restrictions."

Ah well, counterfeiters can still use open-source editors like Gimp.

Digipimp · 01-09-2004, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
But what else is going on if you open a picture of currency in Photoshop? Does it secretly forward your ISP info to the Feds? Or you e-mail address?

Also it mentions the same technology can restrict the creation of adult pictures.

Yeah no doubt it has bigger ramifications. I already hate that they have it connect to the internet on you and send information. Who knows what else they could have it doing at the governments request, what would the government do if they told them no?

sumphatpimp · 01-09-2004, 09:19 PM

I just grabbed them off Google.
I think this thing is BS

another Google

AdultKing · 01-09-2004, 09:23 PM

The crazy thing about this is that any counterfieter could just use open source software to the same end without any restriction.

This is simply government/corporate back scratching which makes the polcymakers feel good but has no real impact on the problem they were trying to solve.

KRL · 01-09-2004, 09:26 PM

Just reading in that ZD article they've got it in the color printers now also.

No more quick $20's for beer money for a lot of college kids.

digifan · 01-09-2004, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Has anyone tried opening an image of bill in Photoshop? What happens when you do?

Its so creepy to not really know what the hell is really buried in all the programs we use and surreptiously working in the background.

Nothing if you open it in an older version of Photoshop like 5.5

Digipimp · 01-09-2004, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Just reading in that ZD article they've got it in the color printers now also.

No more quick $20's for beer money for a lot of college kids.

Beer money are you kidding me, you use those bad boys to pay strippers in a nice dark strip club where they're getting 20's from a lot of different guys, or hookers and models. Anyone that doesn't use a pen to verify them.

flashfreak · 01-09-2004, 09:29 PM

not cool. the addon might be good but they had to say it first, letting people discover it is weak...

Meta Ridley · 01-09-2004, 09:31 PM

Yes this is old news

Why would anyone care - its does not work well at all

BTW I did try this :

I open a high res image of a 20 bill, it opened fine.

I scanned a 20 bill, it would not open. So it does work, poorly.

Rich · 01-09-2004, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gornyhuy
Every once in a while I think the govt is a bunch of beauracratic boobs that can't really have any command over the population, and then I hear some big brother news like this...

wow.

It's not the government who's watching you.

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL

Adobe Systems Inc. acknowledged Friday it quietly added technology to the world's best-known graphics software at the request of government regulators and international bankers

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Kevin Connor, Adobe's product management director, said the company did not disclose the technology at the request of international bankers

sumphatpimp · 01-09-2004, 09:36 PM

lot of ways to counterfiet, the home pc is about the worst.

most of my high school class way back when went to the slammer for counterfieting draft cards.

I never got involved.

but then again I had to go to viet nam thet didn't (jail birds)

Roger · 01-09-2004, 09:39 PM

What was Adobe supposed to do? Those guys probably went in and told Adobe to obey or else they'll be struck with a billion dollar antitrust suit.

flashfreak · 01-09-2004, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Roger
What was Adobe supposed to do? Those guys probably went in and told Adobe to obey or else they'll be struck with a billion dollar antitrust suit.

they should have told the customers.

Rorschach · 01-09-2004, 10:03 PM

Here's a link to the discussion on slashdot about this very matter if anyone's interested.

xxxoutsourcing · 01-09-2004, 10:49 PM

Adobe, is that a program?

hyper · 01-09-2004, 10:52 PM

what was the guy doing trying to copy a $20 bill?

fucking idiot, thats a good way to get the secret service on your ass

404 · 01-09-2004, 11:09 PM

you think all those microsoft browser and o/s 'service packs' just fix bugs?

mwahahahaha.....

RockDaddy · 01-09-2004, 11:19 PM

Quote:

All you'd have to do is have the code send an identifying IP Address along with their ISP to the FBI or NSA everytime someone types specific keywords when writing an e-mail, or an IM, or drafting a document in Word.

Now that's fucking scary Big Brother time

That's been around for a long time...
Who knows what they're doing with it since 9/11

http://stopcarnivore.org/

baddog · 01-09-2004, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
But what else is going on if you open a picture of currency in Photoshop? Does it secretly forward your ISP info to the Feds? Or you e-mail address?

nah, a non-nuclear armed Tomahawk Cruise missile is just launched at the users pc.

BRISK · 01-09-2004, 11:54 PM

More big brother

Vitasoy · 01-10-2004, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
But what else is going on if you open a picture of currency in Photoshop? Does it secretly forward your ISP info to the Feds? Or you e-mail address?

Also it mentions the same technology can restrict the creation of adult pictures.

\

that would be crazy, I'm sure as hell won't be upgrading anytime soon

Volantt · 01-10-2004, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 404
you think all those microsoft browser and o/s 'service packs' just fix bugs?

mwahahahaha.....

'Sorry, this level of adult material is not allowed to be viewed in your locale.'

is just around the corner...

V

foolio · 01-10-2004, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL

So it creates a grid behind Washington and fucks up the Eagle on the back.

Messes up the shading on the letters up top also.

no, thats a normal security thing no matter how you copy it - nothing to do with photoshop.

pudcat · 01-10-2004, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Has anyone tried opening an image of bill in Photoshop? What happens when you do?

Its so creepy to not really know what the hell is really buried in all the programs we use and surreptiously working in the background.

Try Linux, BSD or some other open source OS.

I have 3 pieces of closed source software on my computer (flash plugin, java sdk and the nvidia drivers), everything else I can download the source for and inspect/modify at will.

pudcat · 01-10-2004, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hyper
what was the guy doing trying to copy a $20 bill?

fucking idiot, thats a good way to get the secret service on your ass

making a webmaster affiliate program?

VeriSexy · 01-10-2004, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Digipimp

Beer money are you kidding me, you use those bad boys to pay strippers in a nice dark strip club where they're getting 20's from a lot of different guys, or hookers and models. Anyone that doesn't use a pen to verify them.

Cool idea

darnit · 01-10-2004, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pudcat

making a webmaster affiliate program?

no shit, ive used tons of photoshoped images of money in designs over the years (sponsor/affiliate designs). Hope they dont have my info

sexeducation · 01-10-2004, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
But what else is going on if you open a picture of currency in Photoshop? Does it secretly forward your ISP info to the Feds? Or you e-mail address?

Also it mentions the same technology can restrict the creation of adult pictures.

This is a very scarey precident.
If they (the government) had made this public initiall before going to Adobe - they would NOT be facing the public relations nightmare they are now.

Wow ...
but expected.
Since 911 - there's a lot more stuff going on then we realize.

I guess the idea is the honest people don't have to worry.

01-09-2004, 08:17 PM	#1
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Adobe Admits To Secret US Govt Program Code Is In Photoshop WASHINGTON -- Adobe Systems Inc. acknowledged Friday it quietly added technology to the world's best-known graphics software at the request of government regulators and international bankers to prevent consumers from making copies of the world's major currencies. The unusual concession has angered scores of customers. Adobe, the world's leading vendor for graphics software, said the secretive technology "would have minimal impact on honest customers." It generates a warning message when someone tries to make digital copies of some currencies. The U.S. Federal Reserve and other organizations that worked on the technology said they could not disclose how it works and would not name which other software companies include it in their products. They cited concerns that counterfeiters would try to defeat it. "We sort of knew this would come out eventually," Adobe spokesman Russell Brady said. "We can't really talk about the technology itself." A Microsoft Corp. spokesman, Jim Desler, said the technology was not built into versions of its dominant Windows operating system. Rival graphics software by Taiwan-based Ulead Systems Inc. also blocks customers from making copies of currency. Experts said the decision by Adobe represents one of the rare occasions when the U.S. technology industry has agreed to include third-party software code into commercial products at the request of government and finance officials. Adobe revealed it added the technology after a customer complained in an online support forum about mysterious behavior by the new $649 "Photoshop CS" software when opening an image of a U.S. $20 bill. Kevin Connor, Adobe's product management director, said the company did not disclose the technology at the request of international bankers. He said Adobe may add the detection mechanism to its other products. "The average consumer is never going to encounter this in their daily use," Connor said. "It just didn't seem like something meaningful to communicate." Angry customers have flooded Adobe's Internet message boards with complaints about censorship and concerns over future restrictions on other types of images, such as copyrighted or adult material. "I don't believe this. This shocks me," said Stephen M. Burns, president of the Photoshop users group in San Diego. "Artists don't like to be limited in what they can do with their tools. Let the U.S. government or whoever is involved deal with this, but don't take the powers of the government and place them into a commercial software package." Connor said the company's decision to use the technology was "not a step down the road towards Adobe becoming Big Brother." Adobe said the technology slows its software's performance "just a fraction of a second" and urged customers to report unexpected glitches. It said there may be room for improvement. The technology was designed recently by the Central Bank Counterfeit Deterrence Group, a consortium of 27 central banks in the United States, England, Japan, Canada and across the European Union, where there already is a formal proposal to require all software companies to include similar anti-counterfeit technology. "The industry has been very open to understanding the nature of the problem," said Richard Wall, the Bank of Canada's representative to the counterfeit deterrence group. "We're very happy with the response." Some policy experts were divided on the technology. Bruce Schneier, an expert on security and privacy, praised the anti-counterfeit technology. Another security expert, Gene Spafford of Purdue University, said Adobe should have notified its customers prominently. He wondered how closely Adobe was permitted to study the technology's inner-workings to ensure it was stable and performed as advertised. "If I were the paranoid-conspiracy type, I would speculate that since it's not Adobe's software, what else is it doing?" Spafford said. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

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KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	But what else is going on if you open a picture of currency in Photoshop? Does it secretly forward your ISP info to the Feds? Or you e-mail address? Also it mentions the same technology can restrict the creation of adult pictures. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

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KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	I'm sure they could take it a step further and install code in Photoshop that tags porn pics secretly and then they can be tracked covertly worldwide by govt. agencies to see whose downloading them, or creating them, or distributing them. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

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KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Wow, just thinking you could really do serious tracking and monitoring of people if the Feds have installed this technology into Microsoft Word, Outlook and MSN IM which are used by most everyone online. All you'd have to do is have the code send an identifying IP Address along with their ISP to the FBI or NSA everytime someone types specific keywords when writing an e-mail, or an IM, or drafting a document in Word. Now that's fucking scary Big Brother time. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

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