Mlin2

<b><font size="4">Claim:</font></b> Adult.com shaves enormous amount of our sign ups.<br>
<br>
<b><font size="4">Background:</font></b> We were promoting AmateurPages.com - site of adult.com by
redirecting type-in traffic using frame redirection that the domain name
registrar - enom.com provides&nbsp; from many domain names including uncensored.com,
uhoh.com, grils.com, amatuerpages.com(with adult.com?s permission) and other
domains to AmateurPages.com<br>
<br>
We started promoting them in July 2003. At that time, the subscription price was
$29.95 per sign up. <br>
Adult.com was offering a 71% revenue share from all sign ups
you generate. <br>
Statistics including tracking and payment processing were being
handled by a third party ? iBill.com. <br>
Our traffic, according to
<a href="http://www.royalwhois.com/images/fu_lensman.htm">screenshots</a> was
generating an average of 5-7 sign ups a day (see yourself for an exact number).<br>
<br>
On October 2003, adult.com has lowered the subscription price for
AmateurPages.com 3 times from $29.95 to $9.95.<br>
They changed the affiliate program as well from 71% revenue share to $25 pay per
sign up.<br>
They took over the statistics tracking and from that point all sales were being
tracked by adult.com.<br>
We were sending the same amount and quality traffic from the same traffic domain
names but our conversion ratio dropped several times.<br>
<br>
Since the price was lowered 3 times, conversion should have risen. Even if we
assume that the surfer didn't react positively on the price drop, <b>how could
it react negatively that conversion dropped several times?</b> Even then, lets
assume further that surfer reacted negatively, which is not any realistic, <b>
why would adult.com keep the $9.95 price if it converted 3-4 times worse when
they could have changed the price back at any time?</b> I believe the price drop
didn't have a bad impact on conversion ratios but the problem was that Lensman
was now deflating the number of sales webmasters generate.<br>
<br>
<b><font size="4">Findings:</font></b> When this analysis was posted on the
board, Lensman showed up deleted post(s) and making 3 statements:<br>
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Quote 1<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"><hr>
<p><i>Originally posted by Lensman <br>
</i><b><br>
It does look like your traffic from 1-5 to 1-7 has a problem, I'm not sure if
our engineers fucked something up while we all were in Vegas. Or maybe it's a
fluke.<br>
<br>
Regarding your shaving accusation, you are totally full of shit. <br>
<br>
The stats from August are from a different processor and a different period.
They are from trails and rebills, and your second stats are non-trials and a
very limited time period. <br>
<br>
Your are cordially invited to visit our offices and look at our systems and
code, we have nothing to hide.<br>
<br>
And it's pretty low to do this shit, if it's even real, Miln. </b></p>
<hr>
<p>Quoting Lensman's post.<br>
1. <b>&quot;It does look like your traffic from 1-5 to 1-7 has a problem, I'm not
sure if our engineers fucked something up while we all were in Vegas. Or maybe
it's a fluke.&quot; - </b>Lensman admits that the claim is true - the stats are
unrealistic. Making several assumptions of flukes or a possible screw up on
their part.</p>
<p>2. <b>&quot;And it's pretty low to do this shit, if it's even real, Miln.&quot; </b>-
Admits that it's pretty low reveal shaving sponsors even if they are real and
probably not low to shave your own affiliates.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Quote 2</p>
<hr>
<p><i>Originally posted by Lensman </i><br>
<b>I just checked, and Miln2 is a fake character created by another webmaster
here. </b></p>
<hr>
<p><u>^ <b>First bullshit</b></u> Lensman tries to pull to dilute our claim of
shaving. He has our name and our company name in his system as we are one of his
affiliates. I'm not a fake character, he knows I've been promoting
AmateurPages.com from June and sent 1000s of sign ups to that site. He has our
company name, address and phone number. <br>
<br>
<br>
One day later he comes with another post.<br>
Quote 3<br>
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&nbsp;</p>
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"><hr>
<p><i>Originally posted by Lensman </i><br>
<b>I just got off the phone with our head programmer. Here's the deal:<br>
<br>
Mlin's the one that has the missspell of AmateurPages.<br>
<br>
His site is down right now, but here is the Google Cache:<br>
<br>
<a target="_blank" style="color: #CCCCFF" href="http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:http://www.amatuerpages.com/"><br />...pages.com/</a><br>
<br>
The page will be blank, but view source.<br>
<br>
Look at the page, he is started opening
<a href="http://regular1.amateurpages.com/?w=AP59551" target="_blank" style="color: #CCCCFF">
http://regular1.amateurpages.com/?w=AP59551</a> INSIDE A FRAMESET. <br>
<br>
The master domain is amatuerpages.com, not amateurpages.com. THEREFORE OUR JOIN
COOKIES will not read his traffic. <br>
<br>
That's cheating. He gets the exit traffic, not us. That's not the deal.<br>
<br>
HE TRYS TO SCAM US, then when our system does the right thing, he calls us
shavers!<br>
<br>
Mlin2, you've just fucked yourself. </b></p>
<hr>
<p><br>
1. <b>&quot;Look at the page, he is started opening
<a href="http://regular1.amateurpages.com/?w=AP59551" target="_blank" style="color: #CCCCFF">
http://regular1.amateurpages.com/?w=AP59551</a> INSIDE A FRAMESET.&quot; <u>&lt; Second
bullshit</u> </b>Lensman tries to make. If you check the
<a href="http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:www.amatuerpages.com/">source of
google cache for amatuerpages.com</a> you will not find any frame set. You will
find one frame - frame traffic redirection that points to our AmateurPages.com
affiliate link.<br>
<br>
<br>
2. <b>&quot;The master domain is amatuerpages.com, not amateurpages.com. THEREFORE
OUR JOIN COOKIES will not read his traffic.&quot; <u>&lt;The Third Bullshit </u></b>
Lensman tries to make. If that was the case, how come for over 3 month their
system was recording our sales including the
<a href="http://www.royalwhois.com/images/shaven0.gif">screenshotted sales </a>
for January 2004 ? It also recorded hundreds of our sales from Oct 2003 to Dec
2003.<br>
<br>
<br>
3.<b> &quot;That's cheating. He gets the exit traffic, not us. That's not the deal.&quot;
<u>&lt; The Forth Bullshit</u></b> Lensman tries to make. If you know html, or copy
and past the
<a href="http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:www.amatuerpages.com/">source of
google cache for amatuerpages.com</a> into your HTML editor, you will see that
there is one frame and all traffic goes to AmateurPages.com affiliate program,
therefore it's not possible to affect exit traffic in any way. Moreover the
redirection is being done trough eNom.com, there is no hosted page on the
domain.</p>
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<p>4. <b>&quot;HE TRYS TO SCAM US, then when our system does the right thing, he
calls us shavers!&quot; <u>&lt; The Fifth Bullshit</u> </b>Lensman tries to make. As you
can see above,
<a href="http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:www.amatuerpages.com/">source of
google cache for amatuerpages.com</a> showes no FRAMESET as Lensman claims and
no exit traffic could have been possibly manipulated therefore no one scammed
them. He thinks that <b>&quot;their system does the right thing&quot;</b> which is an
obvious shaving.<br>
<br>
<b>Q. Why Lensman will try to make so many bullshits ?<br>
A. He tries to hide his scam, otherwise he wouldn't bother.<br>
<br>
Q. Until what time will adult.com resolve on <a href="http://www.thieves.com">
Thieves.com</a>?<br>
A. Until they show the real stats and pay us all the difference they have stolen
from us.<br>
<br>
Q. I have some information to add to this story. How do I proceed?<br>
A. If you have hard evidence of adult.com's illegal activities, contact us,
we'll cover the cost of the lawsuit and all corresponding expenses.</b><br>
<br>
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The Truth Hurts

why not just go away?

lensman owned you.

SYNIKAL

hmm

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detoxed

I hope he doesnt try to make any more bull shits.

[Brian]

I can't decide whether to read your post or War and Peace .. I guess I'll go with the latter since it's shorter.

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serious

wow i read like the whole thing wtf was i thinking

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xanx

this shit is getting crazy

jennycards

This thread gonna disappear soon ... so I leave the beer in the freezer

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Pleasurepays

why made bullshits?

fuzebox

Eh, whether or not it's bullshit, it's a thorough and concise post.

macker

...sounds like trouble int mill to me.

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Amen

psyko514

Am I the only one who is laughing my ass off at this?

Mlin2, I sure as hell hope you have more solid proof then hearsay and screenshots of stats to back up the wild accusations you've made.

It's blatantly obvious you haven't contacted a lawyer concerning any of this, and it's blatantly obvious you never will. Any self-respecting lawyer worth his fee would not take this without solid proof, and if for some reason he did, he'd advise to keep your mouth shut tight and not say a word about this case.

By repeatedly libeling Lensman and his program, you're only inviting trouble onto yourself.

If you were serious about this, you'd keep your mouth shut, stay off this forum and keep quiet until the case was decided by a judge.

Instead, you've decided to be very unprofessional and resort to childish tactics such as calling Lensman gay. You may be young at 20 years old, but you should be old enough to understand how immature and stupid your name calling makes you look.

I also hope your supposed lawyer is better at english than you are.

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MadCap

I hope he sues you ass for defimation and slander since you have not recieved a judgment of any knid against lens or adult.com.


But i see from the many many bullshits tha you no speka da engrish so he probably wont be able to sue your punk ass.

SoundMan

Well he is pissed and wont go away..

Lens Please Send him an X-Box!
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Mr.Fiction

Do you know who Mlin2 is? Whether he is full of shit or telling the truth, who knows, but there is little doubt he has talked to a lawyer or several about this.

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SL|M!

Lensman didnt shave my signups but he sure did a hell of a job on my testicules.

buddyjuf

dude, we all understand your concern about your $
and you have the right to THINK he shaves

but to make a thread like this showing all the "proof" is just stupid, you are only making assumptions, no real facts

 Smokey The Bear 

Isnt miln yakov ?

SoundMan

come one Smokey! you are the police here..

dig it up...

 Smokey The Bear 

Im just not sure if its him or not ?

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Whatever he makes a good argument , but still one that should have been handled privately.

And the proof is fairly small , there are all sorts of things that can drop your ratios. Lensman fucked up a few times by saying things he shouldnt have , but that doesnt mean adult.com shaves.

If my ratio's dropped of the chart for a month i would have already switched sponsors shaved or unshaved.

- AFN -

fuck those scammers

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Trax

again: this is no proof of shaving
it looks unreal yes but does not proof anything
sorry dude

gin

your page does use an hahahahahaha.. if his sites do use cookies.. it probably woudn't track your sales because of the frame.. could be easily fixed by adult.com by adding teh script something like if top.location != body.location then top.location = body.location something like that to break out of the frame

PimpMeNot

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Dirty F

This is no proof of shaving but come on, there is something wrong somewhere....could be on his side or adult.coms side and probably not done on purpose. Stop bashing this guy, you would be pissed off as well if this would happen to you regardless whos fault it is.

Mlin2

Any of you could be on our place, not to mention that we send quite a bit of sign ups to them.

I guess no affiliate would want to hear multiple bullshits instead of the agreement to pay what he is iwed.

Reak

Lets wait on Lensmans reply

Oracle Porn

mlin are you from israel?

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Nickless

because adult.com still gets $40+ from the surfer with a prechecked cross-sale, but i think you don't get credit for that. do the math

brand0n

just wanted to say to everyone, i know i missed vegas, but i had shit to do. ill be in atl and fl this year so we can sit down and do some biz there.

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skillfull

there is no solid proof from both side imho

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JSA Matt

... you are not going to get people on your side here. This is Lensmans board, you don't attack someone in their own home, you will lose.

Everyone knows who shaves but it's not what you know, it's what you can prove.

powerbubba

I'm more concerned about statements that threads were removed. I don't know if this is true or not, but to have a vibrant and open forum the only threads that should be removed are truly offensive ones (though given the domain name I think this may not apply here) or openly encourage illegal activity.

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Eman - PG

looks like the price INCREASED from 2.95 trials to 9.95 monthly to me hence the drop in conversions

Lensman

No threads have been deleted, all you have to do is change the the thread number incrementally in GFY to see that no threads have been deleted.

This Mlin clown is a cheater who tried to override our software. I PROVED IT. That's why he took his site down before the posts. But Googles cache doesn't lie.

Right now, we are launching our video company at AEE in Vegas, I do not have time to deal with this theif.

If anyone wants to respond to this asshole, do it in this thread because we am locking any others on the topic:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=218567