Hittbotters - Don't worry, we know who you are.

[SleazyDream]

You know the stupidity of some hitbotters floors me sometimes.

We are watching and we know who you are.

You're probally soo dumb you don't even know who 'We" are.

We are planning to do something about it casue tradding FALSE traffic IS theft.

I wouldn't recommend ever showing your face at a webmaster convention.

And yes - we now have ways of tracking 2nd generation hitbots that click links with unique IPs.

We also have ways of shutting you down and will in the near future.

"We" also have LONG memories.

[Rod]

amen...

but why did you write that here...?
you feel that this board is a cheaters board?

hmm...

[Amputate Your Head]

hey man... why you comin' down on my hitbot bidness? I dint do nutthin' 2 U....

[SleazyDream]

GFY attracts EVERYONE. good, bad, and Me too...........

[Rod]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
hey man... why you comin' down on my hitbot bidness? I dint do nutthin' 2 U....

You hitbot my hitbot and made it crash....lamer!!!

[kmanrox]

hey rod, are you mentally inept?

[PeepNTom]

hey rod, are you mentally inept?

[Rod]

Originally posted by kmanrox
hey rod, are you mentally inept?

Of course, why do you ask?

[GTS Mark]

Hitbots = Evil guys

Sleazy = Good guys



DH

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by PeepNTom

sweet....!

[boneprone]

The Jesus Hitbot will always be one step ahead of the detection.
Jesus Hitbot users dont be scared.

Jesus will protect you.

Coming soon, Jesus Hitbot V 5.04 Upgrade

[SpyCam]

Anyone buys hitbot traffic?

[Aussie Rebel]

Originally posted by SleazyDream
You know the stupidity of some hitbotters floors me sometimes.

We are watching and we know who you are.

You're probally soo dumb you don't even know who 'We" are.

"We" also have LONG memories.

No I dont know who are you? But then again, Aren't you the fat guy that had a webmaster gathering at McDonalds and charged everyone $300 to get in? I reckon it's pretty funny how fat people always try to make out that there important ,

Cheers
Aussie Rebel

[BruceM]

Originally posted by SleazyDream
GFY attracts EVERYONE. good, bad, and Me too...........

<EMBED src="http://www.adult-webmaster-zone.com/gbu.wav" autostart=true loop=false>

[GTS Mark]

I would love to see Aussie Rebel and SleazyDream square off in a UFC match! Fuck it would be scary!!! LOL!!!

[Aussie Rebel]

Originally posted by DrinkingHard
I would love to see Aussie Rebel and SleazyDream square off in a UFC match! Fuck it would be scary!!! LOL!!!

LOL

[Theo]

now we need the brick of love guys

[funkmaster]

"Anyone buys hitbot traffic?"

CTC used to convert pretty well with hitbot traffic ...

[Kimmykim]

What's with all that WE stuff Sleazy? You got a mouse in your pocket?

[Ludedude]

No, he's just happy to see you

[SR]

Originally posted by Kimmykim
What's with all that WE stuff Sleazy? You got a mouse in your pocket?

Leave us alone!!!

[playa]

sleazy can you enlight us some more?

are some of these high traffic tgp are using hitbots,,,

i have believed that sites using hit bots are the medium size sites that look real crappy

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by SR


Leave us alone!!!

YOU are in Sleazy's pocket???

[ServerGenius]

I think the hitbotters will be really scared now! This is like saying
stop hacking my server it's impossible, we know who you are.
Why not post your URL with it too make a real ass out of yourself.

DynaMite

[Terenzo]

i ve been caught again... now i give in coding my own hitbot and will buy one.

any other suggestion besides Jesus Hitbox?

[kuwawawah]

how do you catch 2nd gen hitbots, and does anyone know what "escorcher" is? I keep getting this file downloaded to my computer??? also can we make a list of known hitbots sites, so I know who not to trade traffic with.

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by Aussie Rebel


No I dont know who are you? But then again, Aren't you the fat guy that had a webmaster gathering at McDonalds and charged everyone $300 to get in? I reckon it's pretty funny how fat people always try to make out that there important ,

Cheers
Aussie Rebel

you looked rather fat and DUMB with all those tatoos. kinda like someone's drag queen prison BITCH. what do the tatoos say on your back?
" enter here - no lube necessary" with a big arrow pointing to your ass?

[TheFLY]

Please don't read all this if you run a paysite -- this concerns mostly webmasters that make a living through link trades...

Let me paint a scary picture of how a hitbot could elude detection of even SleazyDream... if there are any genius level internet gods out there -- please prove me wrong...

First you need one very good hitbot -- one that simulates the browser perfectly -- ie: clicks through forms, sends and accepts cookies, pulls down images, etc... I know these bots are probably out there -- because if you read the programming forums there's a lot of programmers out there doing this type of thing already... either these programmers are coding search engines, collecting internet statistics, coding dead-link finders, information gathering, etc. etc... but you've got to be a moron if you don't think these guys are also aware they can cheat toplists, click programs, etc... PERL even comes included with robot objects...

Anyhow now assume you have a bot. Now you need lots of proxy servers... now this is where it gets tricky -- and I'm not 100% sure about my facts here -- but I'm pretty sure the following is possible. Most of us know that you need proxy servers to allow your hitbot to simulate many many individual "unique" IP's... There are a certain number of anonymous proxy servers on the net that you can "find" -- I won't go into specifics here... BUT many of these proxy servers are not 100% anonymous -- they leak out information about themselves -- go find yourself a proxy server analysis program like "aatools" -- and you can run tests on proxy servers and see how "anonymous" they really are... I found myself spending many many hours learning about proxy servers... So for the last few days I've been finding ways to detect proxy servers... but then I realized that all of this effort in detecting proxy servers is pretty much useless... and I think this for a few reasons...

1. Even if a proxy server is not anonymous (and seemingly harmless) -- how do we know that this proxy server is not actually being "commanded" by another totally anonymous proxy server...? You see, you can surf the web through a *chain* of proxy servers! I've even seen evidence of chained proxy servers that encrypt their communications... so hypothetically I'm thinking an advanced hitbot could be hiding behind protected chain of anonymous proxy servers and sending commands to a huge army of non-anonymous proxy servers... I wouldn't put this past an evil and greedy person -- even though 99% of webmasters are too dumb to even know what a proxy server is anyhow... I'm sure there are other ways to use proxy servers without being detected -- but there's not much point in investigation further... also to do an in-depth analysis on each and every IP that comes through your site requires a lot of your server's CPU power...

2. Even if I run a website and I detect unusually high proxy server activity from Referrer A -- that doesn't necessarily mean that Site A is using a bot! Odds are that a smart hitbotter is smart enough never to send mass amounts of fake hits from his own site... Much smarter would be to artificially inflate the traffic of your trading partners -- and you grow by association...

3. There are hundreds of bots moving through our sites on a daily basis -- and many of these bots aren't harmfull -- how do you think the search engines index you! Let's pretend I have a site that has 200 link trades -- why would I send thousands of fake hits to my 200 link trades? I could send only 20 fake hits to each of those 200 trades -- now my output increases by 4000 hits! Do you think any webmaster will be able to detect or even notice 20 hitbot hits? No! And yet now my site has increased output by 4000 -- and take this a step further -- if my hitbot sends 20 fake hits to each site -- this bot could hypothetically click 2 links on each site -- so how I have generated 8000 clicks productivity on my trades... You say so what... that's only 40 clicks for each site... but every day this will make your site grow faster than the competition... and your site will have a competitive advantage...

What can we do about this... call me paranoid -- but as far as I can tell there's no way to distinguish a real surfer from a fake -- if there aren't a significant # of fake hits to carefully observe BUT I believe that there's an obvious limit on how much cheating can go on (with large quantities of fake traffic). A hitbot can't simulate human behavior (unless the hitbotter spends a LOT of time making adjustments to the bots behavior) -- and humans are very complicated... I think the best solution is to carefully observe the behavior of your traffic (how you do this can and should be a creative enterprise)... if a particular site has behavior that doesn't make sense -- you should penalize that site somehow (how to do this is up to you...???)

It's still beyond the reach of most of us to do trading based on sales information due to lack of sales tracking information provided by sponsors -- referrer information is not sufficient. Regardless through -- a large trade can be very valuable indirectly even if it does not provide sales...

[Aussie Rebel]

Originally posted by SleazyDream



you looked rather fat and DUMB with all those tatoos. kinda like someone's drag queen prison BITCH. what do the tatoos say on your back?
" enter here - no lube necessary" with a big arrow pointing to your ass?

I'll give ya ya prison bitch you fat geek, pick up that soap for me will ya, and the tattoo I have on my back is a big tatt of your mum lickin my arsehole, Listen ya fat fuck why do you really think you are a somebody when your just a 15 hotdog eating mother fucker,
And who is 'WE"

[kmanrox]

Originally posted by Aussie Rebel


I'll give ya ya prison bitch you fat geek, pick up that soap for me will ya, and the tattoo I have on my back is a big tatt of your mum lickin my arsehole, Listen ya fat fuck why do you really think you are a somebody when your just a 15 hotdog eating mother fucker,
And who is 'WE"

did someone get their feathers rubbed the wrong way?

uhhh huh huh... he said .. 'arsehole' haha

[WildWebAmateurs]

Originally posted by TheFLY
First you need one very good hitbot -- one that simulates the browser perfectly -- ie: clicks through forms, sends and accepts cookies, pulls down images, etc... I know these bots are probably out there -- because if you read the programming forums there's a lot of programmers out there doing this type of thing already... either these programmers are coding search engines, collecting internet statistics, coding dead-link finders, information gathering, etc. etc... but you've got to be a moron if you don't think these guys are also aware they can cheat toplists, click programs, etc... PERL even comes included with robot objects...

...

What can we do about this... call me paranoid -- but as far as I can tell there's no way to distinguish a real surfer from a fake -- if there aren't a significant # of fake hits to carefully observe BUT I believe that there's an obvious limit on how much cheating can go on (with large quantities of fake traffic). A hitbot can't simulate human behavior (unless the hitbotter spends a LOT of time making adjustments to the bots behavior) -- and humans are very complicated... I think the best solution is to carefully observe the behavior of your traffic (how you do this can and should be a creative enterprise)... if a particular site has behavior that doesn't make sense -- you should penalize that site somehow (how to do this is up to you...???)

Hey Fly, I will tell you this. Kman and I discussed this problem last week, and I can tell you that I have a way of detecting hitbots that cannot be circumvented by proxies or "perfect" simulation of browsers. The catch is I'm trying to figure out how to "monetize" it. I could very easily do a script and distribute it but we all know cheating fuck webmasters don't buy shareware, so I'm looking at it as a service.

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by Aussie Rebel


I'll give ya ya prison bitch you fat geek, pick up that soap for me will ya, and the tattoo I have on my back is a big tatt of your mum lickin my arsehole, Listen ya fat fuck why do you really think you are a somebody when your just a 15 hotdog eating mother fucker,
And who is 'WE"

if you dont' know who 'We" are then you really don't know much do you, drag queen.
I'll bet that long hair of yours makes you look real pretty for your boyfreinds beind bars.

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by WildWebAmateurs


Hey Fly, I will tell you this. Kman and I discussed this problem last week, and I can tell you that I have a way of detecting hitbots that cannot be circumvented by proxies or "perfect" simulation of browsers. The catch is I'm trying to figure out how to "monetize" it. I could very easily do a script and distribute it but we all know cheating fuck webmasters don't buy shareware, so I'm looking at it as a service.

don't let too much out man. All they need to know is that we are on it in several ways.

[CyBå CüLt CRüE]

Originally posted by kmanrox




uhhh huh huh... he said .. 'arsehole' haha

Rofl

[SleazyDream]

ausihole

[Aussie Rebel]

Originally posted by SleazyDream


if you dont' know who 'We" are then you really don't know much do you, drag queen.
I'll bet that long hair of yours makes you look real pretty for your boyfreinds beind bars.

LOL I dont think anyone on this board knows who 'WE" are,
drag queen gee thats fuckin scary is that all you got?
When you look in the mirror in the morning what does that little voice in your head say? I bet it's something like " I wish I could get laid, I've never had sex except with myself, fuck I wish I wasn't a fat smelly geek and I wish people would like me,
you are a fuckin joke, and I like having long hair and ya mum likes it too, you can ask her when she gets back from my house after "WE" me and my boyfriend mistook her for a guy and fucked her in the arse,
And Sleazy you are a nobody, not a "WE" unless 'WE" means you and all your buddys at jenny craig

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by Aussie Rebel



LOL I dont think anyone on this board knows who 'WE" are,
drag queen gee thats fuckin scary is that all you got?
When you look in the mirror in the morning what does that little voice in your head say? I bet it's something like " I wish I could get laid, I've never had sex except with myself, fuck I wish I wasn't a fat smelly geek and I wish people would like me,
you are a fuckin joke, and I like having long hair and ya mum likes it too, you can ask her when she gets back from my house after "WE" me and my boyfriend mistook her for a guy and fucked her in the arse,
And Sleazy you are a nobody, not a "WE" unless 'WE" means you and all your buddys at jenny craig

sounds like 'the sister' has spoken.

[kmanrox]

aussie rebel -- are you that guy/thing that got the award for best mullet on a crossdresser?

[ServerGenius]

I still think it will be hard to get SMART hitbotters. People who just send massive amounts of hits are no threat however the ones that go/grow slowly and change their tactic by the day are very hard to get.

I have actually looked around and studied a couple of hitbot scripts/programs....and some of them were already quite sophisticated....now remember those we're all scripts/programs that we're available on the net.

Luckely the people who are able to create the realy nifty hitbots
are generally people who are smart enough not to distribute it...
I think this is a relative small group.

Fighting hitbots is a ongoing story...they fool, we protect, and so on.....there are just too many ways to do it. We just have to stay alert, warn eachother and share information, protection scripts.
This is something that affects us all so let's stick together and fight this battle together.

I have no problem helping others out with code or information if it
could benefit our industry the damage we suffer could be far bigger than the couple of hours I work on some code to stop it.
I don't give a flying fuck about 35 dollars in order to sell it.

The more brains who work on this will help us to overcome this thing. If I have to earn my money buy selling software in order to protect the industy I'll be a thief of my own wallet.

We should make money on what we do best, selling porn!

I'm closely watching this hitbot trend and I''m developing stuff for it. All information that will be usefull to others I will share for FREE.
I hope more people will follow we would all benefit from this!

DynaMite

[Aussie Rebel]

Originally posted by kmanrox
aussie rebel -- are you that guy/thing that got the award for best mullet on a crossdresser?

Nah that was sleazy,
And Mullets rule

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by WildWebAmateurs


Hey Fly, I will tell you this. Kman and I discussed this problem last week, and I can tell you that I have a way of detecting hitbots that cannot be circumvented by proxies or "perfect" simulation of browsers. The catch is I'm trying to figure out how to "monetize" it. I could very easily do a script and distribute it but we all know cheating fuck webmasters don't buy shareware, so I'm looking at it as a service.

How can you tell the difference between me for example -- and my very same browser effectively using a complex macro (that I created to surf your site) while I sit on my sofa and watch TV... ???Hypothetically this macro could change the IP of my browser -- for all purposes I am a real surfer -- I'm just not looking at the screen... Regardless of proxies a hitbot can simulate everything except human decision making -- and this is where my focus has been... most webmasters should fear that their websites don't require or measure complex decision making... a simple macro can be programmed ahead of time to repeat real human decision making...

Yes I've coded my own detection and I think I've come up with a simple elegant solution that makes me feel safe... but I'm still a little worried that there are some sites that are sprinkling hitbot hits here and there to give themselves a competitive advantage -- essentially falling under everyone's radar with other unmalicious bots...

Also I think anyone that releases a hitbot detection system -- especially for sale -- is difficult to trust. I could release one myself easily -- and it may catch 95% of all hitbots and everyone will be happy to look at their stats and see how many hitbots they detected today by such and such means -- but this doesn't mean that the webmasters using the detection software even understand how it works (unless you provide full details) -- meanwhile the other 5% of bots out there continue to elude detection...

Regardless -- even if you COULD detect 100% of all bots -- it wouldn't make any diffference because there's nobody to point the finger at once you find the bots... also unless 100% of all webmastesr are using your software effectively -- you still lose -- because everyone not using your software will seem to have more traffic ;) Do you think a site like Thumbzilla really wants to not allow any bots to travel through his site? Of course not -- a) he would lose SE indexing b) output to trades would go down resulting in lower recips... c) counter stats would drop

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by Aussie Rebel

Nah that was sleazy,
And Mullets rule

so did a lot of other stuff in Grade 9, I suppose growing up goes on hold when you're in PRISON being some's mullet bitch. Do they pull the hair when they take you from behind or just pet it and stroke it?

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by TheFLY


How can you tell the difference between me for example -- and my very same browser effectively using a complex macro (that I created to surf your site) while I sit on my sofa and watch TV... ???Hypothetically this macro could change the IP of my browser -- for all purposes I am a real surfer -- I'm just not looking at the screen... Regardless of proxies a hitbot can simulate everything except human decision making -- and this is where my focus has been... most webmasters should fear that their websites don't require or measure complex decision making... a simple macro can be programmed ahead of time to repeat real human decision making...

Yes I've coded my own detection and I think I've come up with a simple elegant solution that makes me feel safe... but I'm still a little worried that there are some sites that are sprinkling hitbot hits here and there to give themselves a competitive advantage -- essentially falling under everyone's radar with other unmalicious bots...

Also I think anyone that releases a hitbot detection system -- especially for sale -- is difficult to trust. I could release one myself easily -- and it may catch 95% of all hitbots and everyone will be happy to look at their stats and see how many hitbots they detected today by such and such means -- but this doesn't mean that the webmasters using the detection software even understand how it works (unless you provide full details) -- meanwhile the other 5% of bots out there continue to elude detection...

Regardless -- even if you COULD detect 100% of all bots -- it wouldn't make any diffference because there's nobody to point the finger at once you find the bots... also unless 100% of all webmastesr are using your software effectively -- you still lose -- because everyone not using your software will seem to have more traffic ;) Do you think a site like Thumbzilla really wants to not allow any bots to travel through his site? Of course not -- a) he would lose SE indexing b) output to trades would go down resulting in lower recips... c) counter stats would drop

actually most all big TGPS want to end hitbots. - I'm willing to bet thumbzilla would confirm this, and can ask him if you want.

[Aussie Rebel]

Originally posted by SleazyDream


so did a lot of other stuff in Grade 9, I suppose growing up goes on hold when you're in PRISON being some's mullet bitch. Do they pull the hair when they take you from behind or just pet it and stroke it?

So just cause it's 2002 is that the year of the fat no pussy getting mother fucker?
Ok tell me what sort of hair cut I am suppose to have,
or do I have to be a great big fat cunt and wear a baseball cap?

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by DynaSpain
I'm closely watching this hitbot trend and I''m developing stuff for it. All information that will be usefull to others I will share for FREE. I hope more people will follow we would all benefit from this!

Exactly -- I'd rather be selling porn than spending hours studying proxy servers...

I'm sharing most of my information here... I still think the best way to stop bots is to observe human behavior...

If the hitbotter doesn't know what behavior I'm measuring then it's easy for me to catch him...

If the hitbotter knows what behavior I'm looking for -- then he will be able to simulate this behavior... that's why a standard hitbot detection program will be most likely cheated...

but I'm sure most hitbotters would rather not go through too much trouble -- otherwise it's not profitable for them to waste their time unless they are really bored ;)

[ServerGenius]

I agree 100% Fly we just have to keep our eyes open with a lot of people we can have a lot of usefull input which allows us to act swiftly. If we're on top of it we can make it too hard for them to keep changing stuff which I believe will result in that it's not worth the hassle anymore....

So if we stay uptodate with what's happening that's already a good start if we know what goes on we can act on it. Thanks in
advance for everybody who'll help even if it's just posting information about possible attacks

DynaMite

[ServerGenius]

amazing that something good comes out of a thread that started out to be very wrong

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by Aussie Rebel



So just cause it's 2002 is that the year of the fat no pussy getting mother fucker?
Ok tell me what sort of hair cut I am suppose to have,
or do I have to be a great big fat cunt and wear a baseball cap?

grade 9 can last a lifetime if you really try hard eh?

[Direktor]

You can avoid this hitbottin' crap easily using PHP

[Terenzo]

Originally posted by Direktor
You can avoid this hitbottin' crap easily using PHP

how?