We fought a revolution to secure our liberty,

We wrote the Constitution, as a shield from tyranny.

For future generations, this legacy we gave,

In this, the land of the free and home of the brave.



The freedom we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep,

But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep.

Your freedom gone - your courage lost - you're no more than a slave,

In this, the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Hey, I was just thinking, if the 'if you don't have something to hide' game is in season...

then why wouldn't Bush answer directly about his COKE habit???


I mean, hell if you have nothing to hide, be direct...right? or do I hear a 'yeh but times are different now' coming on?


do I hear an 'apples and oranges' coming on now?


hell he IS the elected leader of the free world, shouldn't he be under the most scrutiny?

a shining example?

an honest injun?


:winkwink:

NO, that's what Americans are thaught socialism is, everywhere else it's somethig else, you're so brainwashed it's pethatic.

Again, you're so wrong, socialism is meant to work within democacy and capitalism, it's just the extrapolation of the second value of the french revolution: equality.
Main goal is simply put, give everyone the same chances in life, not live people's lives for them.
If you believe that this was the case when that wave european settlers came to the US, you're so uneducated, it's unbelievable, where do you get this shit. Power was in hands of the aristocracy and the church. Normal people hadn't any power, democracy, liberalism, socialism and yes communism were reactions against this, power to the people man, people didn't have any power at that time, also one reason they fled.

Man you're so dumb.

Riiiiiiight



You see, you don't make sense. You don't make valid points. You have no argument. That's why I call you a fucking retard instead of debating you, because there's nothing to debate. It's simple, but I can talk slower if you like. I can debate with Republicans all night, but mindless children don't deserve my time. It's not my job to educate you, look to your shitty school system for that.



You think I pay attention to you? You give yourself too much credit kid, there's a million brainwashed morons, it's not up to me to remember who got brainwashed by who. Anyway, if you think there's a difference between Rush and:

...then, once again, here's the handgun, I can show you how the trigger works if required.


Goodnight son, keep watching Fox and thinking their bullshit is the truth, no sweat off my sack. You're the one who's the laughing stock of 51% of the USA and 100% of the civilized world, not me. :thumbsup

:thumbsup Americans go back to your roots !!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're slowly gliding into a tiranny, and don't give me the shit answer that you're a democracy, those things can easily change, don't you see how much these extremist right wing christians are rewriting your whole system.

No, they don't, they think he's a cowboy who will make them rich and kill all the brown people. It's hard to understand how a country got that stupid, I agree. You can start here, people call this news over there.

-Commercial break-

You might want to check your stats.

oh my god, they've got a "War on terror handbook", scimming : phrases like "What do these threats mean to our way of life?"

jeezes, in 100 years, school children be reading that phrase as an example of the propaganda that was used to sucker the american public into WWIII by a right wing government that was on a holy missing resulting in 3 times the amount of deaths Hitler caused.

You're 100% right.

should be holy mission of course :)

oh, and you should watch the shows, it's way worse. It's unbelievable that halfway intelligent people can watch it and not be appauled. For some reason everyone outside of the USA realizes this, but they don't.

Thats what wrong with people like you.
People that say, are civil rights are being taken away, big fucking deal

First they came for the communists
I didn?t speak up because I wasn?t a communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn?t speak up because I wasn?t Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and
I didn?t speak up because I wasn't a trade unionst.
They they came for the Catholics and I
didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
but by that time no one was left to speak up.

That's what Saddam and the old Communist leaders told their people.

Something in the water????

:thumbsup

seems to affect the middle part of the US the most. Bush only got 20% in NY right? Smart people seem to be living at the west and east coast it seems. Good job NY & California (okay what were you thinking with Arnie???)

1) ...maybe YOU are the one that's been brainwashed?


2) ...actually I have 6 credt hours towards a masters degree...so you'd be better off referring to me as 'ignorant' in a certain area as to a generalization of being 'uneducated'

3) ...man you have the best debate skills...




it's all perspective man, there are VERY few things in life that are black and white, right or wrong...a person of your intelligence should know that...

very well said, too bad your preaching to morons

I'm glad you believe most things are not black and white, but that wasn't the point.

You were calling the suppression (goddamn how many p's and s's) of the people by the allmighty kings, church and aristocracy socialism.
I mean, it was so outrages and wrong that I just snapped. If you would have compared it to tiranny, I wouldn't have said anything, but ... ever were in the situation where you couldn't explain something 'cause it's so wrong, you wouldn't know where to begin, well that's ma at the moment.

buy some history books, a dictionary, anything, but don't say something like that anymore, I mean capitalism, communism, socialism, ... are of no relevance in that situation.

first read what he wrote, basically: the pilgrims fled Europe, 'cause of socialism.

Can someone join me in a big :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

WARNING WARNING WARNING

the danger of socialism:

in Belgium the socialist party is in the government together with the liberals, one of the scarry things that the head of the socialist party did when he was a minister:

busses and metro's are free for people who are living on their pension

wow, scarry ain't it

AGAIN, unlike the US educational system probably teaches: socialism is not the same as communism, it's only like that in American English it seems.
Guess what: compared to parties in other countries, the Democratic Party is a socialist party or maybe left wing liberals or prograssive left, whatever, be afraid of the things they want to do, like help you, the average joe :Graucho

I believe I already mentioned I was referring to the general 'concept'...

...of a goverment model that prefers to do everything for it's people and not trust it's people and the capitalist / democratic system...





I guess our poor school system produced this military and economic superpower how?

I need help understanding that...


;)

but that was not the case

Germany became a military superpower as well as being economically strong in the 30's. You don't need smart people to become a strond military power

economically strong, depends how you lookat it, compared to most foreign countries during the past year you've become 25%-50% poorer + those big loans from China won't do you good in the end, especially if your factories are also moving there, with what money are you going to pay them off?

Mmmm... I sure hope somebody nudges some folks to wake up in the land of the free - it's beyond a VERY sad joke what's happening in that country (forget all the politics and crap, - that left the room a good while back).

No we know how scooby doo felt when scrappy came on teh scean with PUPPY POWER

This could definitely affect the criminal element and/or would be terrorists...but as I do not belong to either element...I am not concerned.

Arnold is kicking butt .

Great! another "it's never affected me personally, so it must be ok" loser statement.

Read it again...and maybe you will learn that is not what the person said.

Hey Arnies doing okay but not bushy