I couldnt care less...hes just fucking stupid trying to mix up my words till the point where he can call me a racist.
Fuck this guy is a moron.
Everybody and his brother knows that 1000 bucks is a lot of money in a lot of Asian countries but mr hong kong here thinks different. Im not talking about fucking hong kong you idiot!!!

Are you racist?

you can find a student here in the states for half of that

we are not here to get rich off it we have many other things going on as well , but at the same time , we have guys that only work for us they do a ton of over time and that is mostly for us , ya there is alot to why we have this company , as most here know me i also have a content company many sites and a webmaster program so no this is all where my founds come from , and i reather make a little money and make people happy then to get guys like you that think it is already to high and bitch over it ,

do the math , we give you a staff for 200 hours a month , now that gives you back 200 hours a month , so now what is your time really worth , i know mien is more then our price !

Man, you see me bitching? I WAS JUST WONDERING. Fuck this shit...im not attacking you or anything.

justified costs,there's no doubt
operating expenses need to be estimated as well

i have outsourced in the past few tasks and I believe it's a win-win situation if you are dealing with proper persons. I believe outsourcing co. is gonna be a major issue in this industry (and not only) in the next 2-3years.

It probably would make more sense to hire someone out of Europe for 1,000 a month for some complex work that actually requires some brains, but if you did that personally then you also have to make sure that your worker(s) is actually working, meeting deadlines, and so forth, this becomes difficult if you arent near the worker.

Plus in a place like Europe if a person has a degree than more likely than not he also has a computer and most of those costs dont exist, except for perhaps taking care of the guy's inet bill.

But again you would be responsible for policing the worker(s) and making sure things were done. Best solution would be to see an outsourcing company spring up somewhere in Europe catering to the adult market, then someone else is worried about making sure the workers are being productive, and you still get a similarly priced guy taking care of your tasks.

Just seems with a guy in Europe there would be less of a language barrier as plenty of people already have some knowledge of English.

Problem with choosing local labor is sometimes the guy is super ambitious and learns your shit then sets up his own shop.

Better to break up the job and farm it out.

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Outsourcing is a great opportunity for any one with half a brain, if you trying to make you business grow at a cost effective rate and your a good task delegation then outsourcing is for you, we have clients already that are fully aware of the advantages that our company offers and they use it to the max by taking on more webmasters / designers each month.
They save costs by outsourcing rather than paying a webmaster or designer from the EU or USA of which would cost a lot more.
Our guys are educated and speak English and ARE NOT STUDENTS.
Companies that employ full time webmasters, designers, programmers or server administrators are now coming to us to use our outsourcing skills and knowledge to replace there guys locally that are costing companies much much more than what they get from us for the same service and skills they are paying current staff for.
Sometimes pay per job will be better than outsourcing, but if you have so many tasks to do and can see the bigger picture of your business expanding and putting people to work to grow your business then this is defiantly the way forwards.

It basically boils down to, do you have enough work to do to keep your outsourced staff busy, if so great and look at expansion.
If your smart enough to understand how to make a business grow you will realize that a one man band is not they way and that delegation is the key to success, you can task your staff to do the jobs that hold up your time so you can be doing other jobs or using your mind in a better way to come up with more and better ideas.

You can't put a cost on success, if the guy was $1000 bucks and he's good and saves you that in time or even makes you that, it's good business sense to have him, no?

You can't afford not too outsource!!!!

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50 overpaid outsourcing guys

Valid point but that's why we have non-disclosure agreements and non-compete to avoid such situations. Plus depending on how many workers you have and how you partition the labor, and keep separation of labor, it may be possible to have each person working on such a small subset of the project that they really couldnt leave you and attempt to profit from it themselves.

But non-competes are always a good way to go anyway.

Yeah but those are distributed costs. According to the CIA factbook, the average wage in Asia is from $5 a day (Philippines) to $1.50 a day (Vietnam). I'm not knocking you making money, but come clean.

Non competes take litigation to enforce. Most people just let it slide. Specially if they don't know.

Depends on the size of the project you have the guys working on and how successful their own endeavour becomes. If your project makes you the cash and theirs becomes a serious competitor or has the looks of it, it may be worthwhile to litigate, plus dont forget that you paid these guys there salaries for a time so you have some understanding of what kind of bank roll they have, and if they dont have any outside investors its a pretty safe bet that aside from the non-compete that you already have you will be able to litigate a victory purely from the monetary aspect of things.

Kinda reductive but Im sure it applies on some levels.

No matter what the wages are the cost of living is MUCH MUCH cheaper, so money goes futher.

Our staff are not paid the average wage, they are talented educated guys and they all over the opertunity to grow with the company, we are running a professional company here not a clown show!!!!!

Of course there is nothing wrong with making money, that's how we all do well and our staff too can have a better standard of living, but outsourcing is not where we make our cash period.

Seems you could only comment on my DRY humour at the end of what i had to say, if you would have read what i actually said, i did comment when outsourcing applies.

Capitalism you gotta exploit someone to make your cash, just a question of how much you exploit them.

So, stop it if you're not making money.

He makes money its just not his main business, but a side business he uses to the advantage of his main biz, according to him.

I did read the whole thing. That's why I say it's reductive. And simplistic.

Why would we stop, we have a posative cash flow and what we see for the future is a profitable outsourcing business that has much more to offer with even more quality for the industry.

We run our own adult sites that supplies our income, profit and support, why would we want to stop when we see the bigger picture of the future and our staff, we have our goals, targets and business plan in place of which we are all on track with and the future is bright.

We are happy with the way it's growing and where we will get to and how people will benifit from what we offer.

Tell that to that clown from Hong Kong, he will call you a racist tho.

i must have missed a meeting. you can pay a guy in some countries $800 a month or so, and he can actually live pretty well.

here in l.a. where the average 1 bedroom apt is $1000, you just plain can't pay anyone but a student $1000 a month and expect much. and students aren't very experienced or reliable, generally.

i'm also not sure how exploitive it is to pay someone what is a wage that's competitive for their area.

apart from finding motivated students, with good enough skills. I find hiring someone locally is more red tape than I can be bothered with.

Yar you did miss something, for $1000 bucks a month I could have a 5 story town house to myself with a private maid and a swimming pool.

The living expense is a lot higher where you are for sure.

1k is a little high, I think the going rate is around $750 through an outsourcing company. Depends on the actual work though.

For one or two employees, outsourcing is the way to go. If you have high volume, looking to open your own branch office could be beneficial...I can help with that if you want to do the Philippines ;)