Making money off TGP galleries -- a retrospective

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    Making money off TGP galleries -- a retrospective

    It is very commonplace to hear the lament that "TGP galleries don't make money" or "You're wasting your time with galleries."

    While the heady days of putting together some nude pics along with a CE banner or MaxCash and making bling while you sleep are over, like any 'matured' promotions strategies, there is still $$$ to be make from TGP submissions, Link Lists, and AVS. It all depends on FINE TUNING

    What are the elements that are in play when you submit:

    The traffic of the place you are submitting to

    The editorial policy of the places you are submitting to

    The layout of your page

    The content of your page

    Your text

    Your graphics


    Combined together these may seem like an unwieldly constantly shifting forces that no one webmaster can anticipate much less control. Hence, the feeling that its all luck.

    Maybe by putting a little science, along with a lot of persistence and attention to detail, we can still tease the CONVERSION genie out of the TGP/LL/AVS bottle.

    One possible approach would be to experiment with the changes of the elements above:

    In partciular, change each element and see if that improves your conversions.

    Find particular combinations that may result in higher conversions and build on those.

    One possibly instructive model for coming up with a CONVERSION FORMULA is an evolutionary approach.

    Start with 1 gallery with points for each of the items above.

    Monitor the results.

    Change each item and in combination with other items

    Notice any improvements

    Keep changing and varying and building upon improvements until you hit a formula that works.
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    This is related to my post re Science and Porn.

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    • Broda
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      #3
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      • MetaMan
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        #4
        i would never submit galleries ever again, when i started in porn i tried it out for a month.

        i do not do anything that doesnt involve me controlling and tampering with my own traffic.

        i also dont like to wait for anyone, i like lows of traffic and for me now there would never be a point in submission, would only waste my time.

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          #5
          Keep me posted re the custom data job you wanted, Meta.

          Originally posted by MetaMan
          i would never submit galleries ever again, when i started in porn i tried it out for a month.

          i do not do anything that doesnt involve me controlling and tampering with my own traffic.

          i also dont like to wait for anyone, i like lows of traffic and for me now there would never be a point in submission, would only waste my time.

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            #6
            Would people be interested in a free tutorial?

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            • AphEX
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              #7
              Originally posted by $5 submissions
              Would people be interested in a free tutorial?
              why not

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              • bstrawse
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                #8
                Originally posted by $5 submissions
                Would people be interested in a free tutorial?
                Sure
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                • Babaganoosh
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                  #9
                  Wouldn't a gallery tutorial from you be like reading computer reviews from an amish man?
                  I like pie.

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                  • cluck
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                    #10
                    DONT LISTEN TO THIS MAN! THIS WILL NEVER WORK!

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                    • Phil
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                      • Jan 2004
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                      #11
                      worked for me as a starter.. where the else would you find traffic ???? google...? whatever.... if you have a right guy for the right price it will be worth your buck...
                      Last edited by Phil; 01-04-2004, 07:27 PM.
                      Ask Phil

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                      • Nickless
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by MetaMan
                        i would never submit galleries ever again, when i started in porn i tried it out for a month.

                        i do not do anything that doesnt involve me controlling and tampering with my own traffic.

                        i also dont like to wait for anyone, i like lows of traffic and for me now there would never be a point in submission, would only waste my time.
                        well i'm the complete opposite, started out making galleries, not much success, did a paysite and affiliate program with somewhat shitty results, then i got back to galleries and i'm making around 3k+ on galleries alone monthly. so i must say galleries still work for me

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Armed & Hammered
                          Wouldn't a gallery tutorial from you be like reading computer reviews from an amish man?
                          Please don't hate.

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                          • Oracle Porn
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                            #14
                            There is no money in tgps!

                            So $5 when will you be able to do some tgp gallery submissions?


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                            • Babaganoosh
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by $5 submissions


                              Please don't hate.
                              You're always good for a laugh if nothing else.

                              How about not doing tutorials. If you actually DO know something, why not shut your mouth about it instead of giving your knowledge away? Make your money and do it quietly. Don't do anything to encourage the hoards of newbies joining the business every day.
                              I like pie.

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                                #16
                                Competition is good. It brings out the best in all of us. If anything, the more competition the better since it will force complacent people to innovate.

                                You may find me funny but I like to share my knowledge since I am always out to learn from other people. Sometimes by looking at others' implementations, I tighten my game. Its a give and take.

                                Originally posted by Armed & Hammered


                                You're always good for a laugh if nothing else.

                                How about not doing tutorials. If you actually DO know something, why not shut your mouth about it instead of giving your knowledge away? Make your money and do it quietly. Don't do anything to encourage the hoards of newbies joining the business every day.

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                                • Oracle Porn
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by $5 submissions
                                  Competition is good. It brings out the best in all of us. If anything, the more competition the better since it will force complacent people to innovate.

                                  You may find me funny but I like to share my knowledge since I am always out to learn from other people. Sometimes by looking at others' implementations, I tighten my game. Its a give and take.

                                  There is always someone smarter than you who will galdly take your money.


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                                  • Babaganoosh
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by $5 submissions
                                    Competition is good. It brings out the best in all of us. If anything, the more competition the better since it will force complacent people to innovate.

                                    You may find me funny but I like to share my knowledge since I am always out to learn from other people. Sometimes by looking at others' implementations, I tighten my game. Its a give and take.

                                    You need some business classes man. Competition directly benefits consumers, not business owners. Tighten your game all you want but don't help the competition tighten theirs.
                                    I like pie.

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                                    • cheese
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                                      • Jul 2002
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                                      #19
                                      You know 5 dollar, I've been dieing to know. How long have you been an adult webmaster and what is your adult webmaster background? Aside from webmasterlabor, how do/did u make your adult net money? Also, what was your nick before $5 submissions? What adult sites, besides webmasterlabor, did or do you run?
                                      I've been curious for a little while now. Just decieded to ask in this post for some reason.

                                      Thanks,
                                      Brian
                                      blah blah blah...

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                                      • pussyluver
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                                        • Mar 2003
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Oracle Porn
                                        There is no money in tgps!

                                        So $5 when will you be able to do some tgp gallery submissions?
                                        Yep, That's what Sleazy, thehun, PK, Shemp, Worldsex, Absolut, JJJ, 89, AL4A, Catlist, Ampland, Elephant all said.

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                                        • Vitasoy
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                                          #21
                                          after I read that I'm quiting ;)


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                                          • Babaganoosh
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Vitasoy
                                            after I read that I'm quiting ;)
                                            So soon? We were all enjoying watching you make single sentence replies in hopes that someone would see your high postcount and buy your sig.
                                            I like pie.

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                                            • Oracle Porn
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by pussyluver


                                              Yep, That's what Sleazy, thehun, PK, Shemp, Worldsex, Absolut, JJJ, 89, AL4A, Catlist, Ampland, Elephant all said.
                                              :rolleyes


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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Oracle Porn


                                                There is always someone smarter than you who will galdly take your money.
                                                That's true, but its not always a ZERO SUM game where someone has to lose for someone to win. Sometimes, the pie does get larger.

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                                                • Oracle Porn
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by $5 submissions


                                                  That's true, but its not always a ZERO SUM game where someone has to lose for someone to win. Sometimes, the pie does get larger.
                                                  Sometimes... but meanwhile its getting smaller and smaller and the competition is getting larger and larger.


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                                                  • Hardcore J
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                                                    • Mar 2003
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                                                    #26
                                                    There is no money in tgp galleries, everybody should stop making and submitting them.



                                                    Seriously though, there IS money in TGP galleries, but its not so easy that the Average Joe can come off the street and make an easy $10k a month. As said above, it takes tweeking, patience, and often times even an initial loss of money before you will get it right.

                                                    Tgp galleries are the way that a lot of newbies start and end.
                                                    Last edited by Hardcore J; 01-04-2004, 08:33 PM.

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                                                      #27
                                                      Ive done mailers, tgp galleries, etc etc. I've been in adult since 1999-2000 and mainstream since 1996. I started my first internet company in 1996.

                                                      I don't claim to know everything, nor do I want to. I just wanted to start a dialogue.

                                                      Also, webmaster labor has been a project that's 2 years in the making. I've been lurking for a while now I'm posting

                                                      Originally posted by cheese
                                                      You know 5 dollar, I've been dieing to know. How long have you been an adult webmaster and what is your adult webmaster background? Aside from webmasterlabor, how do/did u make your adult net money? Also, what was your nick before $5 submissions? What adult sites, besides webmasterlabor, did or do you run?
                                                      I've been curious for a little while now. Just decieded to ask in this post for some reason.

                                                      Thanks,
                                                      Brian

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                                                      • Nickless
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                                                        #28
                                                        hmmmm.... i think i'll register at gfy as $2.5 Submissions now and buy www.cheaperwebmasterlabor.com

                                                        get Armed & Hammered's drift now?

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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Nickless
                                                          hmmmm.... i think i'll register at gfy as $2.5 Submissions now and buy www.cheaperwebmasterlabor.com

                                                          get Armed & Hammered's drift now?
                                                          LOL That's funny, Nickless

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                                                          • Mr. Marks
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                                                            • Jun 2001
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                                                            #30
                                                            Everybody knows that the EASIER money is in MGPs not TGPs.

                                                            Good pointers though. Definitely will keep those in mind re maximizing click to $$$ ratio.

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                                                            • VeriSexy
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                                                              $5 submissions, will you be offering gallery design anytime soon?
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                                                              • Mr. Marks
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by VeriSexy
                                                                $5 submissions, will you be offering gallery design anytime soon?
                                                                LOL! That would fuck too many people up... $1 Gallery designs hahahah I'm sure they won't be too good... But...I could be wrong.

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                                                                • - AFN -
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by papichulo
                                                                  Everybody knows that the EASIER money is in MGPs not TGPs.

                                                                  Good pointers though. Definitely will keep those in mind re maximizing click to $$$ ratio.
                                                                  That's true, that's why I can't wait for the $1 MGP deal to roll out, even if it's $4 to $8 a day, I'm still game.
                                                                  cat cash* | tr -d '\r' | tr -s '/n' > money

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                                                                  • Broda
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by MetaMan
                                                                    i would never submit galleries ever again, when i started in porn i tried it out for a month.

                                                                    i do not do anything that doesnt involve me controlling and tampering with my own traffic.

                                                                    i also dont like to wait for anyone, i like lows of traffic and for me now there would never be a point in submission, would only waste my time.
                                                                    Thanks man.. more traffic for the rest of us
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                                                                    • basschick
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      here's a gallery tutorial written by magnatique a couple years back. if it doesn't all apply, it's still pretty good stuff

                                                                      http://www.freenudegalleries.com/guide/

                                                                      $5 submissions, there's one thing i don't see in your first post in the list - your sponsor. you can have a really world-class gallery and just a crappy sponsor site.
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                                                                      • - AFN -
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Nice. Thanks for the tip.

                                                                        Originally posted by basschick
                                                                        here's a gallery tutorial written by magnatique a couple years back. if it doesn't all apply, it's still pretty good stuff

                                                                        http://www.freenudegalleries.com/guide/

                                                                        $5 submissions, there's one thing i don't see in your first post in the list - your sponsor. you can have a really world-class gallery and just a crappy sponsor site.
                                                                        cat cash* | tr -d '\r' | tr -s '/n' > money

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                                                                        • maxjohan
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Everyone can make money with good content. Shore, knowing layouts and text is good too.

                                                                          In the end I can get like 3% clicks but when I only get like 8K to my gallery- how good is that.


                                                                          I really hate submitting. So how much traffic do I get with your TGP submission program? Ever tested to submit your self to see how much traffic you get from those 120 tgps?

                                                                          I went from 100 to 313,000 satoshis in 2 days! Lots of daily freerolls...

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                                                                          • scooby doo as scooby does
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            I'm sure lots of people make good money with TGP traffic. I tried, and tried to automate as much as possible, and wasn't much good at it. In the end I found out I preferred making my own traffic sites, preferably that didn't need any day to day maintenance or 'submissions'. Christ, who wants to deal with a TGP owner ? Started a single banner exchange, a single top site, added different sites to the 'collection' over time. That worked way better for me even tho it takes time to build traffic. Less day to day work, less boring as well. Then again, some people swear by TGP galleries. Horses for courses.
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                                                                            • - AFN -
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              True, too many TGP owners--too many differing rules.

                                                                              Originally posted by scooby doo as scooby does
                                                                              I'm sure lots of people make good money with TGP traffic. I tried, and tried to automate as much as possible, and wasn't much good at it. In the end I found out I preferred making my own traffic sites, preferably that didn't need any day to day maintenance or 'submissions'. Christ, who wants to deal with a TGP owner ? Started a single banner exchange, a single top site, added different sites to the 'collection' over time. That worked way better for me even tho it takes time to build traffic. Less day to day work, less boring as well. Then again, some people swear by TGP galleries. Horses for courses.
                                                                              cat cash* | tr -d '\r' | tr -s '/n' > money

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                                                                              • maxjohan
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by - AFN -
                                                                                True, too many TGP owners--too many differing rules.

                                                                                and too many wrongs. I think I fuck-ed up once when I submitted to a major tgp. I forgot to begin with 15 snaps..

                                                                                I got banned for that. If it was easy to get partners and shit-- then I had submited all day long.

                                                                                Nah, I don't think submitting is for anyone, you really need to see the light far away. Because you probably need to spend some months before you see anything near K's.


                                                                                I went from 100 to 313,000 satoshis in 2 days! Lots of daily freerolls...

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                                                                                • Reak
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by $5 submissions
                                                                                  Would people be interested in a free tutorial?
                                                                                  Sure Hit me up !

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                                                                                  • Mr. Marks
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    MGPs make more money since movies are now getting longer. Problem is its reaching saturation but what the fuck... OWN your niche and you will be okay.

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                                                                                    • xxxoutsourcing
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by $5 submissions
                                                                                      Would people be interested in a free tutorial?

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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Thanks for the feedback so far, guys. Much appreciated.

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                                                                                        • Betray
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          wow great thread.. more tips and pointers please!

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                                                                                          • - AFN -
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            So when's the free tutorial gonna be released?
                                                                                            cat cash* | tr -d '\r' | tr -s '/n' > money

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                                                                                            • Brujah
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                                                                                              • Jan 2001
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by $5 submissions
                                                                                              This is related to my post re Science and Porn.
                                                                                              I'm going to syndicate EVERYTHING you write on a resource site.

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                                                                                              • reynold
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                THe more I've seen of TGPs the more I realize that the real money is in building them and selling them

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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by reynold
                                                                                                  THe more I've seen of TGPs the more I realize that the real money is in building them and selling them
                                                                                                  There's truth to that but there's also truth to the fact that people who submit the right galleries with the right content to the right sites still make good $.

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                                                                                                  • Mr. Marks
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Betray
                                                                                                    wow great thread.. more tips and pointers please!
                                                                                                    My thoughts exactly.

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