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Originally posted by Roger
I've seen enough shit and dumb people in my life to know that you're right. Oh well, perhaps they will live peacefully in a century or so.
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here is something i believe in.
the "super organism"
Societies themselves act as organisms... much in the same way bacteria, viruses, single celled organisms or the most primitive life forms act. the first priority of any organism is its own defense and survival. it's to be expected. that is true of any society that faces any real threat. its next order of business is to grow, expand and procreate all of which better enable it to survive and thrive in the future.
survival of the fittest.
looking at the Middle East issue in terms of "right and wrong" is pretty silly in my opinion. it does not address the basic behaviors of a society and people that will not change.. that is the most basic instinct, hardwired into our beings that demands that the organism survives. in humans that means first as and individual, then children and then as a society.
I am not saying that Isreal is right to expand its borders and keep palestinians under their thumb. I am saying that it is a behavior that is quite normal and to be expected.
Finger pointing and blaming people for rights and wrongs will not change the basic behavior of Palestinians or Arabs wanting to increase their power and influence in the region and in the world... while diminishing that of Isreal. Palestinians as a general rule will not stop at mere "peace" or the existence of a Palestinian State. Instead, it that achievement will merely become a stepping stone to what they will hope to be bigger and better things... more power, more prestige, more influence and a better ability to lash out and increase their own sphere of influence, defend themselves, grow, evolve and eventually challenge its neighbors to ensure its own survival.
A society is a virus.
There cannot be peace in the region because religion and simple geography will not allow it. As long as Isreal exists right in the center of land that is sacred to two or more opposing religions... those religions that form the very glue that bond their societies together, its existence will always be a threat to its neighbors. Isreal cannot allow Palestinians to have their own state or to be strong... it would be the same as handing a handgun to a guy who is trying to rape you. No good can come of it. It will just increase the threat to Isreal which would go against primary directive of any organism - survival. that means minimizing or eliminating threats, not encouraging or strenthening them ..... not saying its right or wrong... just saying its a reality that is not addressed in the rhetoric and utopianistic views of how things should be.
The only real solution is the ugliest solution in my opinion. That is for them to fight and end it.
Peace as a general rule, comes through war.
I always bet on Darwinism.
