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Hooper · 12-22-2003, 11:03 AM

Ok.. so here's the deal.

I have a sony vaio laptop that is used for development.

Off the network, meaning not connected to the net in any ways.. i fdisk, format and restore the system using the sony restore disks. remove all the worthless software that is un-needed. then connect it to the net behind a firewall and run every single update windows makes available.

So basically this machine is as updated and supposedly secure as they come now. With no 3rd party software, no email applications, NOTHING...

I remove the machine from behind the firewall, and as I'm preparing to ghost the machine so that i can restore it to it's pristine state at a later date should i need to... suddenly i start seeing alot of network activity.

Weee.. this machine has been trojaned and is participating in a DOS attack against some poor fuck!

Thanks Microsoft! There is a reason that we made the http://www.apple.com/switch/

The Truth Hurts · 12-22-2003, 11:06 AM

just more proof that some people shouldn't be allowed to own computers.

WiredGuy · 12-22-2003, 11:09 AM

Doesn't surprise me that Windows is so badly insecure... but with apple, they don't treat their customers that seriously I find. When a part malfunctions, you need to ship them your laptop for like a week or two. I can't afford to do that, I'm better off buying a new PC than waiting that long. Dell's onsite service is definitely what keeps me with PC's.

WG

Oracle Porn · 12-22-2003, 11:11 AM

who the fuck does fdisk, format and restore the system using the sony restore disks??????

use a floppy or a windows cd

iroc409 · 12-22-2003, 11:12 AM

apparently your firewall sucks.

doober · 12-22-2003, 11:12 AM

buying new computers is fun and expensive, do it as often as possible

Hooper · 12-22-2003, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oracle Porn
who the fuck does fdisk, format and restore the system using the sony restore disks??????

use a floppy or a windows cd

the oem restore disks are a great tool. they have the drivers preconfigured.

i was one of the lead techs at dell in the fortune 500 division til 1998, so i'm pretty familiar with the inner workings of m$

lEricPl · 12-22-2003, 11:15 AM

riiiight.

Strange it only happens to you huh?

What OS? 95?

Go whine somewhere else.

The Truth Hurts · 12-22-2003, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oracle Porn
who the fuck does fdisk, format and restore the system using the sony restore disks??????

that's what sony gives you.
I've got 3 sets of them : )

you can't just install the OS unless you have your own OS CD (everyone should).. then cause it's sony, you still have to use the restore discs to get their custom drivers, fan/mb controls and other shit.

who · 12-22-2003, 11:16 AM

Windows being so buggy is an excellent sales strategy. Once Microsoft turn to lowering their price for the OS, they will begin charging a small fee per service pack downloaded.

They'll make an absolute killing, even if they charge $5 for a service pack download.

How many updates have you downloaded for Windows? 20? 30?

lEricPl · 12-22-2003, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper

the oem restore disks are a great tool. they have the drivers preconfigured.

i was one of the lead techs at dell in the fortune 500 division til 1998, so i'm pretty familiar with the inner workings of m$

Um....98 huh?

That gave you what....about as much experience with MS products as a current 7th grader?

Did you even work with Windows 98 then?

Come on man....

xenigo · 12-22-2003, 11:17 AM

Just cause you happened to be behind a network that was being attacked doesn't mean a Mac is gonna help you. Trojans and worms can affect a Mac in just the same way. Machines are only as secure as you make them.

Oracle Porn · 12-22-2003, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper

the oem restore disks are a great tool. they have the drivers preconfigured.

i was one of the lead techs at dell in the fortune 500 division til 1998, so i'm pretty familiar with the inner workings of m$

having a bad day?
please don't take it on me.

if your familiar with it since 98 wtf are you still doing with a pc in 03?

Brujah · 12-22-2003, 11:20 AM

It's cause you strayed and fucked with a Sony when you should've stayed faithful to Dell.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 12-22-2003, 11:24 AM

DELL Sucks.
Gateway is worse.
Sony is better than both.

However...

There are alternatives.

lEricPl · 12-22-2003, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper
i was one of the lead techs at dell in the fortune 500 division til 1998, so i'm pretty familiar with the inner workings of m$

Hooper - the Microsoft Windows Guru.
Working with Windows 95 from 97-98

Hooper · 12-22-2003, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lEricPl

Um....98 huh?

That gave you what....about as much experience with MS products as a current 7th grader?

Did you even work with Windows 98 then?

Come on man....

we were using xp in 98.

Brujah · 12-22-2003, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlienQ
DELL Sucks.
Gateway is worse.
Sony is better than both.

However...

There are alternatives.

Keep dreaming. You have no clue. Vaio's are pieces of shit. Faulty cooling units. The worst support, even worse than Gateway. I've owned all 3 systems in the past and Dell has been the most reliable and the best support by far.

Hooper · 12-22-2003, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oracle Porn

having a bad day?
please don't take it on me.

if your familiar with it since 98 wtf are you still doing with a pc in 03?

i'm not having a bad day or taking anything out on you mr. sensitive

i make more money in nonadult than i do on adult... i'll let you speculate where that $ comes from and why i have to open up winblow$

lEricPl · 12-22-2003, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper

we were using xp in 98.

RIIIIGHT.

xenigo · 12-22-2003, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlienQ
DELL Sucks.
Gateway is worse.
Sony is better than both.

However...

There are alternatives.

Is this where everyone's supposed to read your sig and and conveniently figure out you're selling alienware machines?

Those machines are the king of gay dude, like seriously no better than any of the other stupid proprietary bullshit that Compuq, Dell, IBM, HP and Sony are putting out.

The way to go is to slap together your own parts. Buy an Intel MB, Intel CPU, Serial ATA hd, 2 gigs of ram, 128 meg videocard, and you're set. You never have to rely on lame-ass manufacturers that the large computer companies buy cheap parts from for as cheap as they can get them for. And amazingly the drivers will be available more often than not years down the road. Wow, amazing!

Unfortunately Alienware is in the same boat with the major ones I listed, throwing a bunch of shit in a box. That's not the way to go.

Hooper · 12-22-2003, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lEricPl

RIIIIGHT.

we absolutely were. the gui wasnt the same and they didnt call it xp but it was what became xp. we had full rollouts of 2000 well before then.

what.. you think microsoft developed windows 2000 in 2000 and office 2003 in 2003?

not to mention the obvious, that xp and 2000 were developed on dell workstations

the development, testing and prep time for a launch of an os takes years dude.

you should know that.

The Truth Hurts · 12-22-2003, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper

we were using xp in 98.

not bad...
ya know...
for something that wasn't released til october 2001 and all...

Nightwork · 12-22-2003, 11:34 AM

Quote:

i was one of the lead techs at dell in the fortune 500 division til 1998, so i'm pretty familiar with the inner workings of m$

And they kicked you out at the point they realised that not every moron could be a tech expert?

lEricPl · 12-22-2003, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper

we absolutely were. the gui wasnt the same and they didnt call it xp but it was what became xp. we had full rollouts of 2000 well before then.

what.. you think microsoft developed windows 2000 in 2000 and office 2003 in 2003?

the development, testing and prep time for a launch of an os takes years dude.

you should know that.

Man oh man

Hooper · 12-22-2003, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nightwork

And they kicked you out at the point they realised that not every moron could be a tech expert?

i conceived of, led the team and developed a product for them called partsweb, it was their first internal support web based application. basically they would tell customers things like "oh that part will be there tomorrow" when they really had no idea whether the parts or components were in stock. so i built an app for them in my spare time that techs TO THIS DAY use at Dell in every support department and country. At the time of rollout the vp's of CS estimated that it would save dell almost 4 million bucks a year in repeat phone calls, support time etc..etc..

I got a $100 bonus check as a thank you... so i quit.

And to all you haters who wanna pretend you're smarter than me....

Just ask yourself... how much more money does Hooper have than me and did he get it by being an idiot?

lEricPl · 12-22-2003, 11:50 AM

What language do you program in hooper?

PS - money means nothing. Just because you have money does not mean you're the brightest cookie in the box.

Oracle Porn · 12-22-2003, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper

i'm not having a bad day or taking anything out on you mr. sensitive

i make more money in nonadult than i do on adult... i'll let you speculate where that $ comes from and why i have to open up winblow$

Why do you tell me that you earn a lot of money?
What makes you think I care how much money you earn?
For all I care you can earn 1 mil a day that still doesn't give you the right to insult me for no obvious reason.

sumphatpimp · 12-22-2003, 11:51 AM

if you had any kind of computer knowledge you would have left Microshit for a proper operating system long ago.

you have no excuse!

iwantchixx · 12-22-2003, 11:56 AM

Give the guy a break folks. This shit happens to the best of us. A fresh install firewalled or not can still get infected before updating and patching the thing. I have sat behind hardware + software firewalling on a fresh install and still got infected within 2 minutes of turning on the modem. It sucks that it happens which is why I now keep critical patches stored on cd and just install them before hooking up to the net.

ah fuck it, too many grumpy people on GFY today, get the fuck back to work people!

Wiseman · 12-22-2003, 12:05 PM

GO APPLE!!!!!!!!!

Hooper · 12-22-2003, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lEricPl
What language do you program in hooper?

PS - money means nothing. Just because you have money does not mean you're the brightest cookie in the box.

c, java, perl, all server side. but i also know enough vb & c++ to get what i need done on a windows machine.

i think .net sucks cause it's just a ripoff of java and who the hell wants to tag a 3 meg .net install onto every non xp computer you install a 30k file onto?

only 2 kinds of people say money means nothing.
people who have no money
and
people who have so much money that it has lost it's meaning

lEricPl · 12-22-2003, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper

c, java, perl, all server side. but i also know enough vb & c++ to get what i need done on a windows machine.

i think .net sucks cause it's just a ripoff of java and who the hell wants to tag a 3 meg .net install onto every non xp computer you install a 30k file onto?

only 2 kinds of people say money means nothing.
people who have no money
and
people who have so much money that it has lost it's meaning

If that makes you feel better hooper....more power to ya.

Hooper · 12-22-2003, 12:37 PM

dont just lay down like that man.

pradaboy · 12-22-2003, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper
Ok.. so here's the deal.

I have a sony vaio laptop that is used for development.

Off the network, meaning not connected to the net in any ways.. i fdisk, format and restore the system using the sony restore disks. remove all the worthless software that is un-needed. then connect it to the net behind a firewall and run every single update windows makes available.

So basically this machine is as updated and supposedly secure as they come now. With no 3rd party software, no email applications, NOTHING...

I remove the machine from behind the firewall, and as I'm preparing to ghost the machine so that i can restore it to it's pristine state at a later date should i need to... suddenly i start seeing alot of network activity.

Weee.. this machine has been trojaned and is participating in a DOS attack against some poor fuck!

Thanks Microsoft! There is a reason that we made the http://www.apple.com/switch/

yep... powerbook is on it's way to my comfy lap

lEricPl · 12-22-2003, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper
dont just lay down like that man.

Let me get a raincheck.

I have a couple .NET projects I have to finish today.

bawdy · 12-22-2003, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper

Weee.. this machine has been trojaned and is participating in a DOS attack against some poor fuck!

wonder if there is a new vulnerabilty going around

same thing happened here

Rich · 12-22-2003, 12:56 PM

Anyone else noticed that almost every smart person here uses a mac? There's a reason for that, and I think it's more than the fact that stupid people can't afford a G5.

HomeO · 12-22-2003, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iroc409
apparently your firewall sucks.

your reading must suck as bad as his firewall .. he turned it off before he got attacked.. has nothing to do with his firewall .. as soon as you install XP .. you are open target for a couple of different viruses

mangeli · 12-22-2003, 01:00 PM

You could always install linux.........

bigdog · 12-23-2003, 10:20 PM

well if you are useing windows you should always be runnining a hardware firewall and a software firewall

OG LennyT · 12-23-2003, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xenigo
Just cause you happened to be behind a network that was being attacked doesn't mean a Mac is gonna help you. Trojans and worms can affect a Mac in just the same way. Machines are only as secure as you make them.

exactly. Talk to your network techs before you blame Windows

bigdog · 12-24-2003, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by iwantchixx
Give the guy a break folks. This shit happens to the best of us. A fresh install firewalled or not can still get infected before updating and patching the thing. I have sat behind hardware + software firewalling on a fresh install and still got infected within 2 minutes of turning on the modem. It sucks that it happens which is why I now keep critical patches stored on cd and just install them before hooking up to the net.

ah fuck it, too many grumpy people on GFY today, get the fuck back to work people!

that is some scary shit that the firewall did not help you out

Fatbrain · 12-24-2003, 05:02 AM

Personally I build my own machines, but I do setup and tech alot of other peoples PC's.

Whenever I'm wiping a drive and reinstalling the OS, the first thing I do upon the completion of the installation is to install the antivirus...Then connect it to the net and download the new VDF's.

That would have prevented you from having your issue Hooper.

Also, when it comes to anyone I know buying proprietary machines (Dell, Gateway, Sony, Alienware...whatever), the very first thing on my agenda is to nuke the drive, make them go get a real copy of their OS (Not the proprietary advertising mess of an OS that they always send out) and install that...Then install the AV, connect to the net, update VDF's...THEN do windows updates and install proper drivers for anything.

The only times I have ever seen anyone having an issue after the latter was completed was due to user idiocy.

com · 12-24-2003, 05:04 AM

you would really hate some of the iis shit i have ;)

Hunter_ST · 12-24-2003, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fatbrain
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Whenever I'm wiping a drive and reinstalling the OS, the first thing I do upon the completion of the installation is to install the antivirus...Then connect it to the net and download the new VDF's.

<snip>

Also, when it comes to anyone I know buying proprietary machines (Dell, Gateway, Sony, Alienware...whatever), the very first thing on my agenda is to nuke the drive, make them go get a real copy of their OS (Not the proprietary advertising mess of an OS that they always send out) and install that...Then install the AV, connect to the net, update VDF's...THEN do windows updates and install proper drivers for anything.

Ditto. However, I will say that the WinXP Pro disk that came with my Dell 8200 had Dell's logo on the label, but the disk itself was pure Microsoft, devoid of Dell-related crap. Nice! I remember when machines (especially HPs) had their personalized OSs with tons of garbage on the OS disk that installed by default. It seems they don't do that now (probably a Microsoft licensing issue).
There is a separate Dell disk for reinstalling Dell-related software... I just skip it!

V_RocKs · 12-24-2003, 05:21 AM

So this is why they stopped supporting windows 98!

sweet7 · 12-24-2003, 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
Doesn't surprise me that Windows is so badly insecure... but with apple, they don't treat their customers that seriously I find. When a part malfunctions, you need to ship them your laptop for like a week or two. I can't afford to do that, I'm better off buying a new PC than waiting that long. Dell's onsite service is definitely what keeps me with PC's.

WG

Dell's support is very good. I've had only good experiences with them, just call them with model #'s and serial #'s and they will hook you up.

Porn Mickey · 12-24-2003, 07:32 AM

hello Bill Gates! How you doin'?

brand0n · 12-24-2003, 08:31 AM

unplug it, its killin my bandwidth

12-22-2003, 11:03 AM	#1
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	Here's Why Windows Sucks Ok.. so here's the deal. I have a sony vaio laptop that is used for development. Off the network, meaning not connected to the net in any ways.. i fdisk, format and restore the system using the sony restore disks. remove all the worthless software that is un-needed. then connect it to the net behind a firewall and run every single update windows makes available. So basically this machine is as updated and supposedly secure as they come now. With no 3rd party software, no email applications, NOTHING... I remove the machine from behind the firewall, and as I'm preparing to ghost the machine so that i can restore it to it's pristine state at a later date should i need to... suddenly i start seeing alot of network activity. Weee.. this machine has been trojaned and is participating in a DOS attack against some poor fuck! Thanks Microsoft! There is a reason that we made the http://www.apple.com/switch/ __________________ <a href="http://www.adultplatinum.com/"><img src="http://www.adult.com/wmbanners/10dcash-468x60.gif"></a>

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xenigo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 8,067	Just cause you happened to be behind a network that was being attacked doesn't mean a Mac is gonna help you. Trojans and worms can affect a Mac in just the same way. Machines are only as secure as you make them.

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lEricPl Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: FL Posts: 1,062	What language do you program in hooper? PS - money means nothing. Just because you have money does not mean you're the brightest cookie in the box.

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