Police want to be able to control your car by remote (Big Brother)

[Mr.Fiction]

Police call for remote button to stop cars

Motorists face new 'Big Brother' technology

In what will be seen as yet another example of the in-creasing power of Big Brother, drivers face the prospect of their cars being halted by somebody pushing a button.

'Providing an effective means to remotely stop a vehicle is fast becoming a priority,' Hammond told a European conference. 'The development of a safe and controlled system to enable remote stopping has the potential to directly save lives.'

Experts now believe the technology could start to be used voluntarily by the end of the decade and ultimately could be made mandatory.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...111211,00.html

The government wants to be able to control your car, for your own good.

[twistyneck]

They've been talking about this for years. They'll be able to control entire cities with the touch of a button.

Good luck with that. They'd have to provide everybody with new cars that have the technology implemented.

[media]

THis is bullshit..

Doubt it will happen.. Too much room for error on a mass scale.. press a button and 500 cars stop working.. would love to see the mass pile up on the LA expressway with something like this.. Even if there is an electronic serial number, theres always room for error..

Media

[mangeli]

just imagine if its all run on NT.

One bsod and the whole town freezes up.

hrrrrmmmmm...... maybe there was something to that poweroutage up north earlier in the fall.....

[Fletch XXX]

Well living in LA it doesnt sound like a bad idea.

Do you folks not realize that criminals now know that if they risk the lives of others while fleeing in a highspeed car chase that sometimes the cops back off?

So what do crooks do now? Floor it and just go for it.

There are car chases on the news nightly here and sometimes because cops are having such a fun time of chasing down bad guys, innocent people die because the crook in the car knows if he goes 110 on the freeway and acts crazy enough the cops will back off to save further lives...

I am against this, but man it sounds like a great idea after watching crash after crash of car chases ending in civilian death.

Move to LA and watch the news, youll see why people want to have such a device.

[twistyneck]

Fine, have it in LA. That kind of government control doesn't fly out here.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by twistyneck
Fine, have it in LA. That kind of government control doesn't fly out here.

Tell that to the kids that die because some illegal is doing 100+ on the freeway because he stole a slice of pizza and the cops want to kill him.

Again, I said I dont support it, but I can see how some miught want it.

You know damn well if your mom or sister or dad was killed by a fleeing car chase youd want something done.

I can see how some would want it, that doesnt mean I support it.

Read what I wrote first.

[Worldnet]

They can already trace every car built since 1984(started with GM cars). Ever see the little antennas hanging under bridges, or sign posts that look look little FM antennas?

[media]

Originally posted by Worldnet
They can already trace every car built since 1984(started with GM cars). Ever see the little antennas hanging under bridges, or sign posts that look look little FM antennas?

Lol..

Thats for the freight trucks, to track speed and to track how long you have been on the road for.. Also some of those antenas are for news camera feeds that get sent to the television stations for traffic cam reports..

Paranoid much?.. lol..

Media

[The Truth Hurts]

sometimes big brother has good ideas.

this would be one of them.

no more getting all caught up in high speed chases on the news only to have them end with no payoff.

[Ben-MensNiche]

Originally posted by mangeli
just imagine if its all run on NT.

One bsod and the whole town freezes up.

hrrrrmmmmm...... maybe there was something to that poweroutage up north earlier in the fall.....

It could be run on linux, but I don't imagine anyone's going to want to type in a 100 character command to stop your car when all it really takes is you putting your foot on the break.

The cops will notify the call centre and you'll get some smart alec customer service rep saying

"did you try putting your foot on the brake?"
"did you want that stopped now or at the end of the billing cycle?"
"Ok, I'm not sure what to do, so I'm just going to place you on hold for 2 minutes while I get this taken care of"
...click

[jact]

The technology's been there for a few years in some test cities, we'll see how widely it spreads. I don't know if I'd want a kill switch on my car while I'm doing 110 MP/h though.....

[StuartD]

It would make for a good sci-fi movie though, wouldn't it? Bad guy with the right connections figures out the frequency and shuts down a city, causing havoc while he steals something valuable.

[media]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
sometimes big brother has good ideas.

this would be one of them.

no more getting all caught up in high speed chases on the news only to have them end with no payoff.

Good idea? Haha.. this is a stupid idea, they already have road strips to use to disable most cars, when used properly and in a timely manor this is sufficient to stop a vehicle quickly..

What happens when they stick this shit on a highway, and your driving 85mph during the night, and they start using this device to control speed flow?

Your driving along, listening to your music, going to a destination, You look over and see a big ass box that says traffic controlled by remote disable device.. You get zapped, then BAM MOTHERFUCKER! your engine disables, you freak the fuck out and end up losing control of your vehicle on a corner, you flip over, and almost die..

You sue the ever loving shit out of the governement and vehicle manufacturers for letting this device be implimented in your vehicle..

Can you see how this type of shit could get ugly REALLY fast?

Haha..

Media

[ztik]

Im sure people would crack that pretty fast.
think of the chaos, it would be too big of a security risk

[The Truth Hurts]

Originally posted by media


Can you see how this type of shit could get ugly REALLY fast?

no, but then again, i'm not a fucking paranoid lunatic either.

[C_U_Next_Tuesday]

The abuse of this power would be seen and noted and would probably be used for more bullshit than actual high speed chases.

I just dont trust the government nor the law..too many greedy power hungry fuck nuts in control these days.

[pamphage]

Originally posted by media
THis is bullshit..

Doubt it will happen.. Too much room for error on a mass scale.. press a button and 500 cars stop working.. would love to see the mass pile up on the LA expressway with something like this.. Even if there is an electronic serial number, theres always room for error..

Media

yep. way too dangerous.

imagine what a virus in their software would do

[media]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts


no, but then again, i'm not a fucking paranoid lunatic either.

Im not a paranoid lunatic.. I am just looking at a scenario here.. Of course it could be used to save lives.. But we all know how malicious technology can become.. Look at the people buying the remotes to turn red lights green whenever they want to fly thru an intersection.. I mean come on..

This shit is going way too far.. they already have caltrots, shockers that disable ignition systems, but they are all something that needs to be put on the road by a trained person.. not some power hungry cop that could disable your vehicle at any point just cuz he feels the need to..

Could you imagine, being a female, and getting your car zapped cuz some cop wanted to get a good look at your tits.. LOL..

So much shit could go wrong.. People could make their own remotes to go around zapping cars for fun..

Look at such things like the blu and black box.. every hacker kid on the block had one and it cost Ma Bell billions..

Media

[fuzebox]

Horrible idea, but that doesn't really matter because it simply won't happen.

For one thing, they'll need to fit the technology onto every vehicle. There are hundreds of models of vehicles out there, are they going to develop a custom solution for every one? Or is this going to be a generic power cutoff?

Cutting the power to a moving vehicle is a hell of a lot more dangerous than allowing the driver to continue doing whatever he was doing. Any modern vehicle will lose power steering and power assisted braking when the power is cut, meaning the driver will probably smoke the innocent person on the road with him.

It is also futile, because anything installed like this into a car will be succeptible to being tampered with. Criminal drivers won't be affected by any sort of remote control system when they can take their car to a garage down the street and have the guy there disable it for a couple hundred dollars. Who loses? Drivers and taxpayers who have to pay to have these useless devices installed.

Who would want their car to be able to be controlled wirelessly by "a higher authority"? How do you know the one with the controls is trustworthy? Think of the fun that someone could have when they figured out how to control other people's cars without authorization? Oh, that's safe.

Long story short, don't worry, it won't happen.

[fuzebox]

Originally posted by media


(snip)

What he said.

[Jedimaster]

I can get drunk all the time now!!!

[JDog]

FUCK Big Brother, they'll never get one of them in my car!

jDoG

[Swanks]

Originally posted by fuzebox
Horrible idea, but that doesn't really matter because it simply won't happen.

For one thing, they'll need to fit the technology onto every vehicle. There are hundreds of models of vehicles out there, are they going to develop a custom solution for every one? Or is this going to be a generic power cutoff?

Cutting the power to a moving vehicle is a hell of a lot more dangerous than allowing the driver to continue doing whatever he was doing. Any modern vehicle will lose power steering and power assisted braking when the power is cut, meaning the driver will probably smoke the innocent person on the road with him.

It is also futile, because anything installed like this into a car will be succeptible to being tampered with. Criminal drivers won't be affected by any sort of remote control system when they can take their car to a garage down the street and have the guy there disable it for a couple hundred dollars. Who loses? Drivers and taxpayers who have to pay to have these useless devices installed.

Who would want their car to be able to be controlled wirelessly by "a higher authority"? How do you know the one with the controls is trustworthy? Think of the fun that someone could have when they figured out how to control other people's cars without authorization? Oh, that's safe.

Long story short, don't worry, it won't happen.

Exactly, something like this just wont work out like planned.

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[Rorschach]

If your car has airbags then you're already being tracked - they send home info about your location, speed, direction etc in case of a crash. There has already been one case where the pigs successfully prosecuted a drunk driver in a hit and run, because his airbags popped on the crash and then the info the airbag system sent home was enough to prove he was there and driving the car.

[Scootermuze]

You can mark my word..

There will come a day, in the not too distant future, when enough people will ban together and rise up against all of this bullshit and things will change in short order..

Don't think so? Watch what happens in about 6 months... Write this down and remember it..

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Scootermuze
You can mark my word..

There will come a day, in the not too distant future, when enough people will ban together and rise up against all of this bullshit and things will change in short order..

Don't think so? Watch what happens in about 6 months... Write this down and remember it..

As I keep saying.

Let them sit inside and read their fucking patriot books and their republican right wing fodder.

And PRAY we dont win, because one day, the christians and all these fucking idiots will be OUTNUMBERED.

America is BREEDING its downfall.

It starts with the kids, urge the younger ones to vote

http://www.punkvoter.com

One day these fuckers are gonna get some Pagan Revenge, it started with church burning and it wont stop there.

trust me, theres a whole new breed of pagan terroritst coming out.

[iroc409]

mr. fiction, what you're talking about is actually a fairly limited part of the original proposed specification for OBD IV, several years ago.

OBD stands for "on board diagnostics", basically the computer control system for the entire vehicle. obd has been around for quite some time, and i'm sure current vehicles are using the 4th generation systems. i don't recall the timelines of the obd generations, but i'm sure you could find out easily which one your vehicle has (it's been around for probably over a decade, maybe even two, it's nothing new).

the police would not only be able to shut down the vehicle, but they would essentially know real-time just about anything about the car, including its position (via gps). they would have full readouts on the vehicles speed, etc. even a real-time readout of the car's emissions. this was proposed for california, so violators of the 'clean air acts' or whatever would be instantly recognized, and could be dealt with for violating emissions requirements. it was essentially an all-encompassing information system that would go strait to the feds.

it was even presumed that you could be driving around, speeding, and a week later get a ticket in your mailbox for violating a speed limit law. or again, with emissions laws (pure speculation based on the data provided by the system).

it also allowed law enforcement to track the vehicle however they pleased.

the shutdown device proposed in the vehicles is not instantaneous like some of you thought. it was built to gradually reduce fuel to the motor until the car stopped, not a sudden shutdown to prevent damage to vehicle or people, and create a controllable stop.

i do not know how much of these proposed specifications actually made it into the OBD IV system, but with growing items such as onstar and the like, i'm sure there are more than we'd like to think included. i haven't really tracked this info since i did research on it in its proposal stages several years ago. but i'm sure you can find more info on the net about it.

[fuzebox]

Originally posted by iroc409
i do not know how much of these proposed specifications actually made it into the OBD IV system, but with growing items such as onstar and the like, i'm sure there are more than we'd like to think included. i haven't really tracked this info since i did research on it in its proposal stages several years ago. but i'm sure you can find more info on the net about it.

Any current piggyback system involves bypassing OBD, so I don't understand what makes this different?

You cut the wires leading to this transmitter that tells the cops your speed. Problem solved. (Well not this simple, but anything done electronically can also be undone electronically).

This also just applies to any new car sold. I got the impression from the first post that this would have to apply to every car on the road.

[iroc409]

Originally posted by fuzebox


Any current piggyback system involves bypassing OBD, so I don't understand what makes this different?

You cut the wires leading to this transmitter that tells the cops your speed. Problem solved. (Well not this simple, but anything done electronically can also be undone electronically).

This also just applies to any new car sold. I got the impression from the first post that this would have to apply to every car on the road.

the difference is the proposed specification included everything i stated above in the OBD IV system... not in a secondary system such as onstar. that means its and integral part of the ecu, you can't disconnect it.

as far as i know, every car manufactured today, and for the last few years has used an OBD system built into the vehicle (the manufacturer's own system that included a standardized agreement of what OBD must include/exclude).

[The Truth Hurts]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


...one day, the christians and all these fucking idiots will be OUTNUMBERED.

not in your lifetime.

[Pleasurepays]

i have no car. just a bunker in the mountains in Idaho, bottled water, water-proof matches, canned food and a hunting knife.

Big Brother will NEVER control me.

i will be fine.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts


not in your lifetime.

No real goal is accomplished in one, 10, or even a generation of time.

One day they will be, child by child.

If only Herod hadnt missed that one kid in Bethelehem during the slaughter of innocents. ;)

[bignasty]

Originally posted by iroc409
[, and i'm sure current vehicles are using the 4th generation systems.

current vehicles use obd 2

as far as seeing what your car has,
obd 2 was mandatory for 96 year model. some manufacturers put it on some 95 models. An easy way to tell is by location of diagnostic connector. Obd 1 it was whereever the manufacturer wanted to put it, and it had only 8 terminals, obd requires it to be under the steering column and it has about twice the amount of terminals.

[The Truth Hurts]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


No real goal is accomplished in one, 10, or even a generation of time.

One day they will be, child by child.

If only Herod hadnt missed that one kid in Bethelehem during the slaughter of innocents. ;)

speaking opf things getting accomplished..
what's the status on the VST?

[rowan]

Did you guys actually read the rest of the article? They are not proposing a complete engine cut while you are moving, rather a signal to the ECU to back off the power and/or kill the engine once the vehicle has stopped.

They also toss up the idea of using this system to limit speed on all vehicles. I can see a lot of people getting pissed off when their foot no longer works as well as it should...

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts


speaking opf things getting accomplished..
what's the status on the VST?

woah, i didnt even remember showing anyone that!

which one?actually, the ones I showed gfy got way complicated, i had to save a few different copies and ended up scrapping most of it.

To be honest ive been way busy the past few months, and havent even really fooled with any of my vst stuff too much. that work is on another machine that I had to retire, you have now reminded me to dig it out and get to work on it!

maye I can do some work on that tomorrow.

shit man, thanks for reminding me about that stuff, i had put it aside and retired the drive its on....

the vst synth i showed you was going to be able to load 'patches' - i can throw together single oscilator synths relatively easily, but I was shooting for something pretty damn complicated and got in over my head hahah i have to take it apart and reconnect MANY MODULES.

[erehwon]

Originally posted by JDog
FUCK Big Brother, they'll never get one of them in my car!

As quickly as they are installed, some enterprising hacker type will figure it all out and start selling the chip that disables the disabling chip.

[baddog]

Originally posted by media

Paranoid much?.. lol..

no kidding

[The Truth Hurts]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


woah, i didnt even remember showing anyone that!

which one?

don't remember which.. you posted a screenshot..
looked complicated though.. ; )

[The Truth Hurts]

this thread: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...&highlight=vst

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts



don't remember which.. you posted a screenshot..
looked complicated though.. ; )

i remember using a drum module and the synth module that night ...

and because i am lazy with deleting screenshots the screen from that night is still on my server hehehe

I doubled the modules and added things after this though



that screen doesnt have the patch module which ROCKS, means you can save patches with it, nothing more but its a bad ass module.

also doesnt show ocs b and other LFOs and shit... the screen scrolls down another scroll or two, anyhow man, seriously thanks for bringing this up, I will have to get back to work on this...

i also have the screen from the tr808 module still on my server.



as you can see each sound has individual controls JUST like the old 808 and sounds as good as any other virtual 808, if not better due to the controls (sliders and knobs etc)

i love this shit.

[Fletch XXX]

im gonna see if i can find that 808 module and program a beat to let you hear that fucker thump.

[The Truth Hurts]

kewl.

[Fletch XXX]

eh obviously this aint no major beat or nothing but you can hear the sound module in action.

http://www.fletchxxx.com/mp3s/808looptruthhurts.mp3

aint like youve never heard an 808 beat before

hahaha

anyway i added another synth module bass (only two notes) in the loop and a string i made in the back too.

so i threw it together for you to hear the sounds

thats what THIs sounds like hahaha

[Shoehorn!]

They'll be hacks for it before it ever even hits the public.

[fuzebox]

Originally posted by iroc409
the difference is the proposed specification included everything i stated above in the OBD IV system... not in a secondary system such as onstar. that means its and integral part of the ecu, you can't disconnect it.

as far as i know, every car manufactured today, and for the last few years has used an OBD system built into the vehicle (the manufacturer's own system that included a standardized agreement of what OBD must include/exclude).

This is true, but I have personally worked on plenty of cars that have either piggyback systems designed to bypass the OBD system on the ECU, or entirely new progammable ECUs...

It's currently super easy to bypass OBD for things such as speed governers, rev limiters, boost overpressure cuts, fuel and timing maps, valve timing crossover points, etc, so I don't see how integrating the big brother features into OBD will be a problem for people who don't want it.

[Ic3m4nZ]

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