Content provider tryin to screw me over! - GoFuckYourself.com

Fatbrain · 12-22-2003, 11:59 PM

So here is the deal...I placed an order with a content provider (for now, they will remain nameless) in late September for a total of 900 exclusive photos.

The order entailed 3 solo girl shoots @ two sets of 100 photos per girl (600 total)...As well as 1 girl/girl shoot @ two sets of 150 photos (300 total).

They were to be taken out of location...By the end of October, I had received 400 photos and was told the rest would be completed back on location when he returned...I sent the provider over $400 worth of props to use in my exclusive photos...

So, at this point I was still owed one more solo girl @ two, 100 photo sets and 1 girl/girl @ two, 150 photo sets.

I was then shown a model that worked out very well for my needs...I wished to open an exclusive site with this model, upon certain terms...We agreed and I told them to shoot the remainder of the pics owed with this model and I would be order more when the site was developed.

I was told by the content provider that 200 photos had been produced yet the download only contained 100...The provider had "accidentally" deleted 100 of them.

Between that point and now, I have yet to receive the last 400 photo's I am owed...I was notified 3 days ago that the model to be used for the site was no longer reachable and no future shoots would be able to be done.

Ok, no biggie...Told him to just get the other 400 done with whomever.

With only 100 photos of this model, I had to do something with it, so I created a small free AVS site with it...Upon advertising the site, one of my biggest competitors links to a pic of what? Yup, the exact same model in the exact same setting using the very same props I sent him for *MY* exclusive content. Just for clarification, he didn't sell the same exact set he delivered to me, my best guess is that is where the "100 deleted" photo's went.

For now, lets just forget the fact that he sold the same exact model using my props to someone else when there was an exclusivity agreement for the site...

I decided to pry a little bit and joined my competitor's site, low and behold, what do I see?

SEVERAL sets from this same provider all using MY PROPS...There isn't any confusion here, these are absolutely the props I had sent him to use for *MY* exclusive content order!

I was never asked by the provider if he could EVER use them in any other manner besides my own order.

Now, there seems to be a misconception on the "exclusive" part as you can see...The exclusivity was discussed on ICQ and no "contracts" were signed...I still think it's really low for them to sell the same chick I was going to open a exclusive site with to my competitor tho...Fine, whatever...Honestly, it's actually not that big of a deal to me.

I would just think that they would have enough grey matter to know that selling the same exact girl in the exact same niche to my competitor while I ordered and committed to future orders of the girl for that site.

Why am I not telling you who it is? Because, people fuckup...This is really bad IMHO...But I want to at least give him a chance to make it right before I say who it is...I do have proof of everything stated here and several reputable people have seen it...I just don't want it to come to that if it doesn't have to.

I suggest you stop ignoring me and contact me to get this resolved immediately!

RedShoe · 12-23-2003, 12:04 AM

PROBLEM # 1!!!!!
"The exclusivity was discussed on ICQ and no "contracts" were signed"

FOOL!!!!

Live and learn man. The only thing you can do now is post his name.

StuartD · 12-23-2003, 12:07 AM

Yeah, I agree... ICQ has no legal bounds.. it's part of what sucks about doing business with people way beyond our reach for a hand shake or signing of papers.

however, that being said... it's still good to know who'd agree to something on ICQ to you and then turn around and do something else behind your back.

done legally or not... it's still BS.

Fatbrain · 12-23-2003, 12:12 AM

It's not even really the exclusivity that bothers me...It's that he used my shit I provided him to shoot content for my competitor.

What puts me above my competitors is the fact that I invest the time and money into making sure it's done right and with quality...That's what keeps my members.

Then he uses what I supplied him with to shoot content and sell to my competitors, thus essentially stealing one of my biggest advantages. Mind you, the props were strictly for my order and to then be sent back.

Not once did he ask what-so-ever for permission to use them, nor did he have the right to.

Paul Markham · 12-23-2003, 12:15 AM

You need to post a name.

One to protect the others who might do business with this guy, He will be out there ripping off others as he did to you.

Two, to show us what kind of person you are dealing with, was it a mainstream guy like us or did you go for a guy based on price?

We know there are many content providers out there who are honest and straight, who do a good job and will stick to their word. Unfortunately they are busy and not the cheapest.

So tell us who he is or are you using this as a lever to get your money back?

Fatbrain · 12-23-2003, 12:23 AM

He does alot of business.

Yes, I do want some sort of resolution on the matter...Not only has this all happened, it's been nearly 3 months from the order date and he has yet to complete it...That's just ridiculous!

He doesn't even seem to be the slightest bit willing to do right by any of this, which is what bugs me most of all.

Fatbrain · 12-23-2003, 12:24 AM

Also, after several requests, he has failed to send me the appropriate model releases and ID documentation for the shoots he did do.

Adultnet · 12-23-2003, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RedShoe
PROBLEM # 1!!!!!
"The exclusivity was discussed on ICQ and no "contracts" were signed"

FOOL!!!!

Live and learn man. The only thing you can do now is post his name.

Post thier name

SoundMan · 12-23-2003, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fatbrain
So here is the deal...I placed an order with a content provider (for now, they will remain nameless) in late September for a total of 900 exclusive photos.

The order entailed 3 solo girl shoots @ two sets of 100 photos per girl (600 total)...As well as 1 girl/girl shoot @ two sets of 150 photos (300 total).

They were to be taken out of location...By the end of October, I had received 400 photos and was told the rest would be completed back on location when he returned...I sent the provider over $400 worth of props to use in my exclusive photos...

So, at this point I was still owed one more solo girl @ two, 100 photo sets and 1 girl/girl @ two, 150 photo sets.

I was then shown a model that worked out very well for my needs...I wished to open an exclusive site with this model, upon certain terms...We agreed and I told them to shoot the remainder of the pics owed with this model and I would be order more when the site was developed.

I was told by the content provider that 200 photos had been produced yet the download only contained 100...The provider had "accidentally" deleted 100 of them.

Between that point and now, I have yet to receive the last 400 photo's I am owed...I was notified 3 days ago that the model to be used for the site was no longer reachable and no future shoots would be able to be done.

Ok, no biggie...Told him to just get the other 400 done with whomever.

With only 100 photos of this model, I had to do something with it, so I created a small free AVS site with it...Upon advertising the site, one of my biggest competitors links to a pic of what? Yup, the exact same model in the exact same setting using the very same props I sent him for *MY* exclusive content. Just for clarification, he didn't sell the same exact set he delivered to me, my best guess is that is where the "100 deleted" photo's went.

For now, lets just forget the fact that he sold the same exact model using my props to someone else when there was an exclusivity agreement for the site...

I decided to pry a little bit and joined my competitor's site, low and behold, what do I see?

SEVERAL sets from this same provider all using MY PROPS...There isn't any confusion here, these are absolutely the props I had sent him to use for *MY* exclusive content order!

I was never asked by the provider if he could EVER use them in any other manner besides my own order.

Now, there seems to be a misconception on the "exclusive" part as you can see...The exclusivity was discussed on ICQ and no "contracts" were signed...I still think it's really low for them to sell the same chick I was going to open a exclusive site with to my competitor tho...Fine, whatever...Honestly, it's actually not that big of a deal to me.

I would just think that they would have enough grey matter to know that selling the same exact girl in the exact same niche to my competitor while I ordered and committed to future orders of the girl for that site.

Why am I not telling you who it is? Because, people fuckup...This is really bad IMHO...But I want to at least give him a chance to make it right before I say who it is...I do have proof of everything stated here and several reputable people have seen it...I just don't want it to come to that if it doesn't have to.

I suggest you stop ignoring me and contact me to get this resolved immediately!

Well if YOU CANT POST HIS/HER NAME HERE WHY BOTHER POSTING!
Fuck I am tired of these type of posts ! the Jimmy3way guy led on till the cows came home..

Fuck the milking, post there name or dont post at all.....

And my eyes hurt after that long ass post! keep it short if you can not post the criminal in question:

StuartD · 12-23-2003, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SoundMan

Well if YOU CANT POST HIS/HER NAME HERE WHY BOTHER POSTING!
Fuck I am tired of these type of posts ! the Jimmy3way guy led on till the cows came home..

Fuck the milking post there name or dont post at all.....

And my eyes hurt after taht long ass post! keep it short if you can not post the criminal in question:

Allow me to just delete the dozen blank lines or so...

but anyway, I've never been screwed over to the point of having to post about it.

But I'd imagine that people who are screwed over would like to see some kind of resolution from it. You know? maybe get what they paid for at least? Or to just get an answer at all? I mean, you don't just throw money at someone, get nothing and go "oh well, it's lost."

Usually you TRY to get your money back, or what you paid for. If not, THEN you expose the person.

Think of it as a warning shot across the nose.

I don't blame him for not saying who it is... not yet at least.

Fatbrain · 12-23-2003, 12:44 AM

Took the words right outta my mouth

mailman · 12-23-2003, 12:48 AM

well i seen the proof and i would say this is legit.

all i can say is that its suprising that a content provider of this size would do something like this but hey anything for a quick buck right?

all i can say is that you best come clean on the deal.. hell honestly i think you should be exposed casue its BS that you dont get centred out and you rip someone eles off!

Zappu · 12-23-2003, 01:02 AM

It would be intersting to hear the price for the photos you have agreed on, because many producers which are offering you exclusive stuff for a very low price are cheating and you can see on the prices that it never could be for exclusive productions

baddog · 12-23-2003, 01:50 AM

you have to wonder if the person in question will recognize himself

johnbosh · 12-23-2003, 01:51 AM

Paul Markham · 12-23-2003, 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zappu
It would be intersting to hear the price for the photos you have agreed on, because many producers which are offering you exclusive stuff for a very low price are cheating and you can see on the prices that it never could be for exclusive productions

Very true, so how much was this deal for?

A client buys exclusive, that means that model/models in that setting and scenrio. However some producers think it means those shots, they then produce twice as many and have a set to sell.

But using your props on another shoot without your permission is unfogivable. Always insist on having them returned.

As well as the price, tell us is he in the US?

Mutt · 12-23-2003, 04:44 AM

expose the content provider Fatbrain, it would be good for potential customers of whoever it is to be forewarned.

we do nothing but exclusive content - if you're looking for a new custom provider email me.

http://www.wantongirls.com

you should give us the name - if what you are saying is the truth they deserve to be exposed here.

Trax · 12-23-2003, 05:14 AM

protect the rest of us
name the fucking name already
no big deal

johnbosh · 12-23-2003, 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trax
protect the rest of us
name the fucking name already
no big deal

name them:D

KraZ · 12-23-2003, 07:20 AM

@Fatbrain,

RedShoe is right about ICQ however this industry is not based on contracts alone - there's a lot of trust and reputation involved. I think you'd be better off if you stick to reputable content prviders. I have a strong suspicion who's the CP in question but I guess it's up to you if you want to expose him or not.

Anyway, if you need exclusive content, do not ask for references - just post your needs here. Or [shameless plug] contact me via ICQ (18822023) or email: vpbiz[at]nichefetish.com

Ice · 12-23-2003, 07:22 AM

THIS THREAD IS USELESS WITHOUT A NAME!

JimmyReject · 12-23-2003, 07:25 AM

NAME AND SHAME!

LadyMischief · 12-23-2003, 08:00 AM

I think Fatbrain was attempting to have some kind of resolution and this thread was a warning.. Hopefully the whole thing gets resolved, but Fatbrain should post a name if he continues to be ignored for sure.

KraZ · 12-23-2003, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief
I think Fatbrain was attempting to have some kind of resolution and this thread was a warning.. Hopefully the whole thing gets resolved, but Fatbrain should post a name if he continues to be ignored for sure.

Yep, let's give him some time and hope for the best

JenC · 12-23-2003, 11:03 AM

Fatbrain showed me this yesterday and told me who it was. Sounds very sneaky and I'm quite disappointed in the provider who did this. I know they post on here and they need to reveal themselves and tell their side of the story..........that is unless it's all true. Your silence is making you guilty!

Fatbrain · 12-23-2003, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief
I think Fatbrain was attempting to have some kind of resolution and this thread was a warning.. Hopefully the whole thing gets resolved, but Fatbrain should post a name if he continues to be ignored for sure.

Exactly...I'm actually not ALL that pissed off...I mean, I'm pretty ticked, but I'm really easy going.

My main issue is that he didn't even TRY in the slighest way to say, "Ooops, sorry man, lemme make it right."

It was more to the tune of, "Fuck off you piss ant!"

If I don't hear anything back from him today, I will post the rest of the details tomorrow.

wargames · 12-23-2003, 11:57 AM

I have seen the info as well and i know who the content guy is and i got to say what a fucking jackass. You figure he has a lot to lose once his name gets out as a scammer. In this business you go by your name and once you lose all respect your done for good for what an extra couple thousand. That?s just ridiculous

jact · 12-23-2003, 01:03 PM

What a first experience buying exclusive content, ugh.

NBDesign · 12-23-2003, 01:07 PM

I'm sorry, I will make it up to you somehow... I promise.

Cassie · 12-23-2003, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fatbrain
So here is the deal...I placed an order with a content provider (for now, they will remain nameless) in late September for a total of 900 exclusive photos.

The order entailed 3 solo girl shoots @ two sets of 100 photos per girl (600 total)...As well as 1 girl/girl shoot @ two sets of 150 photos (300 total).

They were to be taken out of location...By the end of October, I had received 400 photos and was told the rest would be completed back on location when he returned...I sent the provider over $400 worth of props to use in my exclusive photos...

So, at this point I was still owed one more solo girl @ two, 100 photo sets and 1 girl/girl @ two, 150 photo sets.

I was then shown a model that worked out very well for my needs...I wished to open an exclusive site with this model, upon certain terms...We agreed and I told them to shoot the remainder of the pics owed with this model and I would be order more when the site was developed.

I was told by the content provider that 200 photos had been produced yet the download only contained 100...The provider had "accidentally" deleted 100 of them.

Between that point and now, I have yet to receive the last 400 photo's I am owed...I was notified 3 days ago that the model to be used for the site was no longer reachable and no future shoots would be able to be done.

Ok, no biggie...Told him to just get the other 400 done with whomever.

With only 100 photos of this model, I had to do something with it, so I created a small free AVS site with it...Upon advertising the site, one of my biggest competitors links to a pic of what? Yup, the exact same model in the exact same setting using the very same props I sent him for *MY* exclusive content. Just for clarification, he didn't sell the same exact set he delivered to me, my best guess is that is where the "100 deleted" photo's went.

For now, lets just forget the fact that he sold the same exact model using my props to someone else when there was an exclusivity agreement for the site...

I decided to pry a little bit and joined my competitor's site, low and behold, what do I see?

SEVERAL sets from this same provider all using MY PROPS...There isn't any confusion here, these are absolutely the props I had sent him to use for *MY* exclusive content order!

I was never asked by the provider if he could EVER use them in any other manner besides my own order.

Now, there seems to be a misconception on the "exclusive" part as you can see...The exclusivity was discussed on ICQ and no "contracts" were signed...I still think it's really low for them to sell the same chick I was going to open a exclusive site with to my competitor tho...Fine, whatever...Honestly, it's actually not that big of a deal to me.

I would just think that they would have enough grey matter to know that selling the same exact girl in the exact same niche to my competitor while I ordered and committed to future orders of the girl for that site.

Why am I not telling you who it is? Because, people fuckup...This is really bad IMHO...But I want to at least give him a chance to make it right before I say who it is...I do have proof of everything stated here and several reputable people have seen it...I just don't want it to come to that if it doesn't have to.

I suggest you stop ignoring me and contact me to get this resolved immediately!

now isnt that odd.....i am having the same exact problem with a provider in regards to video. i wonder if it's the same provider. hit me up on icq cause i would love to know if we share the same problem with the same person.

i have been waiting 6 months for the rest of my stuff and i have been far more then patient (i believe) so before i actually start posting, contact me. who knows, maybe we can take care of two problems with one bat

Fatbrain · 12-23-2003, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
Two, to show us what kind of person you are dealing with, was it a mainstream guy like us or did you go for a guy based on price?

He is a mainstream guy and posts here, hence why I posted here as well...I went with him for several reasons, price is one, but more so that a few people referred him...Generally that is what I seek when looking for new services or programs.

Quote:

Originally posted by Zappu
It would be interesting to hear the price for the photos you have agreed on, because many producers which are offering you exclusive stuff for a very low price are cheating and you can see on the prices that it never could be for exclusive productions

The price was $800.

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog
you have to wonder if the person in question will recognize himself

He knows this thread is here, myself and others have notified him of it's presence.

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
A client buys exclusive, that means that model/models in that setting and scenario. However some producers think it means those shots, they then produce twice as many and have a set to sell.

But using your props on another shoot without your permission is unforgivable. Always insist on having them returned.

As well as the price, tell us is he in the US?

But, it's very possible that his plans were to do as you mentioned, shoot twice as many and sell them...Like I stated previously, it's not really the whole exclusive thing that gets my goat, I can agree that we both have different definitions of "exclusive".

What does really bother me is that not only did he use *MY* props to shoot for other people, he used the exact same ones as he did in my shoots.

The shoot is damn near identical to the one for me...The only thing different is the bed she is on...Hell, he even used the same props as in the shoot I received.

As I said above, he told me he accidentally deleted 100 pics...I'm thinking it's more along the lines of he sold them.

He was aware that the props were to be returned...But, due to the fact that he had yet to finish the job, I had not requested them back just yet.

Quote:

Originally posted by KraZ
RedShoe is right about ICQ however this industry is not based on contracts alone - there's a lot of trust and reputation involved. I think you'd be better off if you stick to reputable content providers. I have a strong suspicion who's the CP in question but I guess it's up to you if you want to expose him or not.

To the best of my knowledge he is a reputable content provider, he does a lot of business here.

.....12 hours to go

Fatbrain · 12-23-2003, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jact
What a first experience buying exclusive content, ugh.

Yeah, no shit!

I can say that I'm being treated very well by Photogregg so far though!

Guess the second experience is better =)

Fatbrain · 12-23-2003, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cassie

now isnt that odd.....i am having the same exact problem with a provider in regards to video. i wonder if it's the same provider. hit me up on icq cause i would love to know if we share the same problem with the same person.

i have been waiting 6 months for the rest of my stuff and i have been far more then patient (i believe) so before i actually start posting, contact me. who knows, maybe we can take care of two problems with one bat

Be my guest =)

204913946

Ic3m4nZ · 12-23-2003, 01:21 PM

stop being a fucking pussy and post the name

Cassie · 12-23-2003, 01:26 PM

isnt it funny that no matter how large this community is, it can be so small at times.

nice to see we have someone in common!

baddog · 12-23-2003, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cassie
isnt it funny that no matter how large this community is, it can be so small at times.

nice to see we have someone in common!

hmmm, the plot thickens it seems

Fatbrain · 12-23-2003, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog

hmmm, the plot thickens it seems

That it did.

Cassie · 12-23-2003, 01:42 PM

i just had a very nice conversation with fatbrain and yes he and i are having the same problem with the same content provider. posting any further info about this provider is going to cause a problem for this provider for various reasons.

i feel bad for fatbrain cause hes just trying to do the right thing the right way and leave it to "someone" to screw with fatbrains trust. sheesh some people just dont get it.

imageman · 12-23-2003, 01:43 PM

As a shooter of porn for many years i can tell you that anybody making you wait 3 months for your content is not practicing very good business relations. These things get out and they will end up with a fucked up reputation.
We charge our clients $1200.00 for 100% exclusive images and video per solo model up to Hustler style.
For that our client gets all images and video shot during that session all props supplied are returned and all we keep is a copy CD attached to the IDs and model release for USC18 records. No copies are sold to anyone else for any reason and that we guarantee 100%. Our clients get a copy release and model IDs along with a CD full of 500+ . seven meg images and 30 mins of raw mini DV, usually with 7 days unless we are asked to work on the images or the client is in Europe which adds about 3 days to mail times. That is my idea of exclusive content ?

PhotoGreggXXX · 12-23-2003, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fatbrain

Yeah, no shit!

I can say that I'm being treated very well by Photogregg so far though!

Guess the second experience is better =)

Thanks for the at-a-boy FatBrain,

Sorry, you're other producer didn't work out for you. I know who you're talking about. I've had problems at times getting content to people at the last minute...but somehow after hundreds and hundreds of scenes, we always manage

Waiting as long as you have with no contact is uncalled for and hurts any of us pro's in the biz.

PS...you're going to love the scene we did for you today....one of the best yet for your project

Cassie · 12-23-2003, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PhotoGreggXXX

Thanks for the at-a-boy FatBrain,

Sorry, you're other producer didn't work out for you. I know who you're talking about. I've had problems at times getting content to people at the last minute...but somehow after hundreds and hundreds of scenes, we always manage

Waiting as long as you have with no contact is uncalled for and hurts any of us pro's in the biz.

PS...you're going to love the scene we did for you today....one of the best yet for your project

photogregg, didnt you work with this provider in fl during the show?

Fatbrain · 12-23-2003, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PhotoGreggXXX

Thanks for the at-a-boy FatBrain,

Sorry, you're other producer didn't work out for you. I know who you're talking about. I've had problems at times getting content to people at the last minute...but somehow after hundreds and hundreds of scenes, we always manage

Waiting as long as you have with no contact is uncalled for and hurts any of us pro's in the biz.

PS...you're going to love the scene we did for you today....one of the best yet for your project

Woohoo!

PhotoGreggXXX · 12-23-2003, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cassie

photogregg, didnt you work with this provider in fl during the show?

good try Cassie,

I'm not one to gossip, and this content provider is a friend, so I won't really give any hints or clues.

Hopefully, this will all be worked out.

Cassie · 12-23-2003, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PhotoGreggXXX

good try Cassie,

I'm not one to gossip, and this content provider is a friend, so I won't really give any hints or clues.

Hopefully, this will all be worked out.

im not trying anything; i dont have to.

some advice though; sometimes "friends" do not make the best business associates.

enjoy your christmas.

Mikey_219Inc · 12-23-2003, 03:28 PM

800 bucks for 900 exclusive photos? thats your first sign of trouble.

any provider knows not to shoot other content with your exact props ... sure you cant have exclusivity of a model, but christ its common sense not to hire a model for an exclusive shoot - snap a set of her for the excl. client then another in the same setting for general sales... thats fucked. stupidity doesnt even excuse that.

StuartD · 12-23-2003, 03:31 PM

Still no word huh?

I'd like to see how they justify using Fatbrain's props in a shoot for his own competition.

That right there alone, on top of everything else is messed up in my opinion. I mean, you just HAVE to know that Fatbrain wouldn't like that very much.

Which, I guess, would be the reason why they never asked for permission to use it first.

Mutt · 12-23-2003, 03:49 PM

someboy who knows who it is ICQ me - i have a hunch.

No exclusive sets should look alike - we're shooting a model day after Christmas that we've shot before a couple of times and we have no more backgrounds - Brian keeps a record on each girl he shoots, what she was wearing in the set and the background setting - so we'll be shooting her at a hotel suite, the $150 doesn't get passed on to the customer.

icq me 174676830

Fatbrain · 12-23-2003, 05:12 PM

He has contacted me...We are currently discussing on how to resolve this.

Stay tuned =)

Fatbrain · 12-23-2003, 05:39 PM

The conclusion...

We just spoke about the entire situation...He did receive orders for other content in my niche and honestly did not think there would be an issue using the props...I have made it clear that is a VERY big no-no.

He stated that he thought about it more and agrees it was a stupid thing to do.

For those of you who know who the provider is, we have reached a resolution on the issue that I am pleased with.

He will be refunding the full fee for the custom/exclusive shoots I ordered...Returning all loaned props and is allowing me to keep the 500 photos he did shoot.

All well that ends well =)

twistyneck · 12-23-2003, 05:47 PM

I'm glad you got it worked out.

12-22-2003, 11:59 PM	#1
Fatbrain Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mars Posts: 218	Content provider tryin to screw me over! So here is the deal...I placed an order with a content provider (for now, they will remain nameless) in late September for a total of 900 exclusive photos. The order entailed 3 solo girl shoots @ two sets of 100 photos per girl (600 total)...As well as 1 girl/girl shoot @ two sets of 150 photos (300 total). They were to be taken out of location...By the end of October, I had received 400 photos and was told the rest would be completed back on location when he returned...I sent the provider over $400 worth of props to use in my exclusive photos... So, at this point I was still owed one more solo girl @ two, 100 photo sets and 1 girl/girl @ two, 150 photo sets. I was then shown a model that worked out very well for my needs...I wished to open an exclusive site with this model, upon certain terms...We agreed and I told them to shoot the remainder of the pics owed with this model and I would be order more when the site was developed. I was told by the content provider that 200 photos had been produced yet the download only contained 100...The provider had "accidentally" deleted 100 of them. Between that point and now, I have yet to receive the last 400 photo's I am owed...I was notified 3 days ago that the model to be used for the site was no longer reachable and no future shoots would be able to be done. Ok, no biggie...Told him to just get the other 400 done with whomever. With only 100 photos of this model, I had to do something with it, so I created a small free AVS site with it...Upon advertising the site, one of my biggest competitors links to a pic of what? Yup, the exact same model in the exact same setting using the very same props I sent him for MY exclusive content. Just for clarification, he didn't sell the same exact set he delivered to me, my best guess is that is where the "100 deleted" photo's went. For now, lets just forget the fact that he sold the same exact model using my props to someone else when there was an exclusivity agreement for the site... I decided to pry a little bit and joined my competitor's site, low and behold, what do I see? SEVERAL sets from this same provider all using MY PROPS...There isn't any confusion here, these are absolutely the props I had sent him to use for MY exclusive content order! I was never asked by the provider if he could EVER use them in any other manner besides my own order. Now, there seems to be a misconception on the "exclusive" part as you can see...The exclusivity was discussed on ICQ and no "contracts" were signed...I still think it's really low for them to sell the same chick I was going to open a exclusive site with to my competitor tho...Fine, whatever...Honestly, it's actually not that big of a deal to me. I would just think that they would have enough grey matter to know that selling the same exact girl in the exact same niche to my competitor while I ordered and committed to future orders of the girl for that site. Why am I not telling you who it is? Because, people fuckup...This is really bad IMHO...But I want to at least give him a chance to make it right before I say who it is...I do have proof of everything stated here and several reputable people have seen it...I just don't want it to come to that if it doesn't have to. I suggest you stop ignoring me and contact me to get this resolved immediately!

12-23-2003, 12:04 AM	#2
RedShoe 赤い靴 call me 202-456-1111 Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Valley Posts: 14,831	PROBLEM # 1!!!!! "The exclusivity was discussed on ICQ and no "contracts" were signed" FOOL!!!! Live and learn man. The only thing you can do now is post his name. __________________ SPECIALTY COSTUMES • PROPS • FX Superheroes • Monsters • Robots PM for details For any manufacturing needs. Adult or otherwise. aka BonsHigh on Insta Bonsai weed plants

12-23-2003, 12:07 AM	#3
StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	Yeah, I agree... ICQ has no legal bounds.. it's part of what sucks about doing business with people way beyond our reach for a hand shake or signing of papers. however, that being said... it's still good to know who'd agree to something on ICQ to you and then turn around and do something else behind your back. done legally or not... it's still BS. __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter

12-23-2003, 12:15 AM	#5
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	You need to post a name. One to protect the others who might do business with this guy, He will be out there ripping off others as he did to you. Two, to show us what kind of person you are dealing with, was it a mainstream guy like us or did you go for a guy based on price? We know there are many content providers out there who are honest and straight, who do a good job and will stick to their word. Unfortunately they are busy and not the cheapest. So tell us who he is or are you using this as a lever to get your money back? __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

12-23-2003, 01:02 AM	#13
Zappu Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,556	It would be intersting to hear the price for the photos you have agreed on, because many producers which are offering you exclusive stuff for a very low price are cheating and you can see on the prices that it never could be for exclusive productions __________________ Zappu (ICQ: 23141467) European Erotik Content Archive CONTENT4FREE = CONTENT4CLICKS X JOIN NOW!

12-23-2003, 12:12 AM	#4
Fatbrain Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mars Posts: 218	It's not even really the exclusivity that bothers me...It's that he used my shit I provided him to shoot content for my competitor. What puts me above my competitors is the fact that I invest the time and money into making sure it's done right and with quality...That's what keeps my members. Then he uses what I supplied him with to shoot content and sell to my competitors, thus essentially stealing one of my biggest advantages. Mind you, the props were strictly for my order and to then be sent back. Not once did he ask what-so-ever for permission to use them, nor did he have the right to.

12-23-2003, 12:23 AM	#6
Fatbrain Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mars Posts: 218	He does alot of business. Yes, I do want some sort of resolution on the matter...Not only has this all happened, it's been nearly 3 months from the order date and he has yet to complete it...That's just ridiculous! He doesn't even seem to be the slightest bit willing to do right by any of this, which is what bugs me most of all.

12-23-2003, 12:24 AM	#7
Fatbrain Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mars Posts: 218	Also, after several requests, he has failed to send me the appropriate model releases and ID documentation for the shoots he did do.

12-23-2003, 12:44 AM	#11
Fatbrain Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mars Posts: 218	Took the words right outta my mouth

12-23-2003, 12:48 AM	#12
mailman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,311	well i seen the proof and i would say this is legit. all i can say is that its suprising that a content provider of this size would do something like this but hey anything for a quick buck right? all i can say is that you best come clean on the deal.. hell honestly i think you should be exposed casue its BS that you dont get centred out and you rip someone eles off!

12-23-2003, 01:50 AM	#14
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	you have to wonder if the person in question will recognize himself

12-23-2003, 01:51 AM	#15
johnbosh Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Netherlands, Rotterdam Posts: 8,965	wow

12-23-2003, 04:44 AM	#17
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	expose the content provider Fatbrain, it would be good for potential customers of whoever it is to be forewarned. we do nothing but exclusive content - if you're looking for a new custom provider email me. http://www.wantongirls.com you should give us the name - if what you are saying is the truth they deserve to be exposed here. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

12-23-2003, 05:14 AM	#18
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	protect the rest of us name the fucking name already no big deal

12-23-2003, 07:20 AM	#20
KraZ Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ICQ:: 18822023 Posts: 2,636	@Fatbrain, RedShoe is right about ICQ however this industry is not based on contracts alone - there's a lot of trust and reputation involved. I think you'd be better off if you stick to reputable content prviders. I have a strong suspicion who's the CP in question but I guess it's up to you if you want to expose him or not. Anyway, if you need exclusive content, do not ask for references - just post your needs here. Or [shameless plug] contact me via ICQ (18822023) or email: vpbiz[at]nichefetish.com __________________ Selling MedicalPorn,com and a dozen other gyno & doctor domains here: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=871984

12-23-2003, 07:22 AM	#21
Ice Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny California Posts: 26,053	THIS THREAD IS USELESS WITHOUT A NAME! __________________ icq 1904905

12-23-2003, 07:25 AM	#22
JimmyReject Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: London, England Posts: 489	NAME AND SHAME!

12-23-2003, 08:00 AM	#23
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	I think Fatbrain was attempting to have some kind of resolution and this thread was a warning.. Hopefully the whole thing gets resolved, but Fatbrain should post a name if he continues to be ignored for sure. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

12-23-2003, 11:03 AM	#25
JenC Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New England Posts: 515	Fatbrain showed me this yesterday and told me who it was. Sounds very sneaky and I'm quite disappointed in the provider who did this. I know they post on here and they need to reveal themselves and tell their side of the story..........that is unless it's all true. Your silence is making you guilty!

12-23-2003, 11:57 AM	#27
wargames Kliris Join Date: May 2003 Location: ca Posts: 10,423	I have seen the info as well and i know who the content guy is and i got to say what a fucking jackass. You figure he has a lot to lose once his name gets out as a scammer. In this business you go by your name and once you lose all respect your done for good for what an extra couple thousand. That?s just ridiculous __________________ ICQ 212-115-582 Email Steve at Vas Media Group .com

12-23-2003, 01:03 PM	#28
jact Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Canada Posts: 9,134	What a first experience buying exclusive content, ugh. __________________ Free agent

12-23-2003, 01:07 PM	#29
NBDesign Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The other side of Hell Posts: 5,814	I'm sorry, I will make it up to you somehow... I promise. __________________ Use Lensman's program and get the most for your hard earned traffic. Get Heidi for your site Here. Lots of sets to choose from. She makes a great Addition to any site. Grab one Grab All.

12-23-2003, 01:21 PM	#34
Ic3m4nZ Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal! Posts: 6,285	stop being a fucking pussy and post the name

12-23-2003, 01:26 PM	#35
Cassie Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 3,139	isnt it funny that no matter how large this community is, it can be so small at times. nice to see we have someone in common! __________________ ICQ: 309756847 ]

12-23-2003, 01:42 PM	#38
Cassie Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 3,139	i just had a very nice conversation with fatbrain and yes he and i are having the same problem with the same content provider. posting any further info about this provider is going to cause a problem for this provider for various reasons. i feel bad for fatbrain cause hes just trying to do the right thing the right way and leave it to "someone" to screw with fatbrains trust. sheesh some people just dont get it. __________________ ICQ: 309756847 ]

12-23-2003, 01:43 PM	#39
imageman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	As a shooter of porn for many years i can tell you that anybody making you wait 3 months for your content is not practicing very good business relations. These things get out and they will end up with a fucked up reputation. We charge our clients $1200.00 for 100% exclusive images and video per solo model up to Hustler style. For that our client gets all images and video shot during that session all props supplied are returned and all we keep is a copy CD attached to the IDs and model release for USC18 records. No copies are sold to anyone else for any reason and that we guarantee 100%. Our clients get a copy release and model IDs along with a CD full of 500+ . seven meg images and 30 mins of raw mini DV, usually with 7 days unless we are asked to work on the images or the client is in Europe which adds about 3 days to mail times. That is my idea of exclusive content ?

12-23-2003, 03:28 PM	#45
Mikey_219Inc Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: i dont even know ... Posts: 1,876	800 bucks for 900 exclusive photos? thats your first sign of trouble. any provider knows not to shoot other content with your exact props ... sure you cant have exclusivity of a model, but christ its common sense not to hire a model for an exclusive shoot - snap a set of her for the excl. client then another in the same setting for general sales... thats fucked. stupidity doesnt even excuse that. __________________ Let him who hath understanding reckon the WISDOM of the TOOF!

12-23-2003, 03:31 PM	#46
StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	Still no word huh? I'd like to see how they justify using Fatbrain's props in a shoot for his own competition. That right there alone, on top of everything else is messed up in my opinion. I mean, you just HAVE to know that Fatbrain wouldn't like that very much. Which, I guess, would be the reason why they never asked for permission to use it first. __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter

12-23-2003, 03:49 PM	#47
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	someboy who knows who it is ICQ me - i have a hunch. No exclusive sets should look alike - we're shooting a model day after Christmas that we've shot before a couple of times and we have no more backgrounds - Brian keeps a record on each girl he shoots, what she was wearing in the set and the background setting - so we'll be shooting her at a hotel suite, the $150 doesn't get passed on to the customer. icq me 174676830 __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

12-23-2003, 05:12 PM	#48
Fatbrain Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mars Posts: 218	He has contacted me...We are currently discussing on how to resolve this. Stay tuned =)

12-23-2003, 05:39 PM	#49
Fatbrain Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mars Posts: 218	The conclusion... We just spoke about the entire situation...He did receive orders for other content in my niche and honestly did not think there would be an issue using the props...I have made it clear that is a VERY big no-no. He stated that he thought about it more and agrees it was a stupid thing to do. For those of you who know who the provider is, we have reached a resolution on the issue that I am pleased with. He will be refunding the full fee for the custom/exclusive shoots I ordered...Returning all loaned props and is allowing me to keep the 500 photos he did shoot. All well that ends well =)

12-23-2003, 05:47 PM	#50
twistyneck So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hanging by the neck until dead. Posts: 4,660	I'm glad you got it worked out.