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I have and will again. Pussy is tight and fresh..:thumbsup

50 what?? im disappointed by your appallingly mundane use of the top of the 2nd page thread.

at least say something annoying and offensive like, "50 pedos."

LOL you accuse me of something and then try and use the same "tactic" to turn it on me.

Keep screaming loud we'll all believe you.

:1orglaugh

I don't know what went wrong in your upbringing, but most of us don't fuck someone BECAUSE they're of a certain age. They fuck someone because they are attracted to that person.

There are always "special circumstances" when it comes to sex. You don't just walk up to someone in a grocery store and jump them, there's usually a situation, mutual interest, flirting, mutual attraction, conversation etc.

Personally, yes, I'd fuck a 16 year old. IF that 16 year old was sexy, intelligent, intellectually mature, erudite and shared my interests. Then again, I'd also fuck a 36 year old who fit that profile.
Hell, I'll even go as far as to say that if I met a 12 year old who fit that profile, I'd fuck her. Ofcourse, chances of that happening are 0%, but still. On the other hand, if I met a 120 year old who fit that description, I'd also happily do her.

Age is just a number; it doesn't really tell you much. I'm 21 myself, yet I wouldn't fuck most 21 year olds because I find them emotionally immature. Ofcourse, that's the case with even more 16 year olds, so there are a lot more 16 year olds I wouldn't fuck.

The point of all this? Personally, I fuck people regardless of age, not because of age. I think that goes for most people.

My point exactly.

I was brought up not have sex with children. I think most people were.

*shrug*

Since you are the one who started this thread, I think it's clear where you're coming from.

As for anyone going 'golly gee whiz, he sure is UPTIGHT about this whole fucking 16 year olds thing...' If you think that, I'm probably wasting my breath anyway, so don't worry about trying to figure it out too much.

We're just on different ends of the solar system when it comes to a moral compass, so it's highly unlikely we'd ever understand each other.

Legal age in Denmark is 15 :)

No you idiot...it's not your point...you were being hypocritical.

You are the one with the irrational beliefs...the extremes.. no middle ground.

You are the one screaming at the top of your lungs accusing the webmasters here of wanting to bang 16 year olds without knowing all the facts...some of the people here are only 18 years old and some are older.

LIke I said keep screaming at the top of your lungs it only makes you more believable.

:eek7



I voted yes. Of course, this isnt to say I'm prowling the high schools, BUT if i did happen to somehow meet a girl who was physically mature, emotionally mature, and had a super personality (and of course, was hot)...sure, why not? Just because she's 16? blah. I'd defintely have to think twice about it, from a law standpoint.

17 I'd nail without even thinking about it 3 times.

Besides, ALOT of 16-17yr old girls are mentally YEARS ahead of the 16 & 17yr olds when you were in high school





:Graucho :Graucho :Graucho

You should've quoted the "0% chance of that" as well, ofcourse.
Well, unless you know a nice 12 year old with big tits who lives by herself, has finished high school, is preferably in college or has finished it, and is mentally more mature than the average 18 year old.

k, it's not attractiveness that is the pulling factor here - although, it's the head turner. If she's attractive AND mature - i.e. she carries herself well, then maybe it would cross my mind. I haven't decided if I would or not yet though, she'd have to be something pretty special.

It doesn't seem to be all too clear to you.

You think this is about children? So, in your mind, there's a magical border at 18 at which everyone suddenly reaches adulthood mentally and emotionally?

Some 16 year olds are more mature than some 22 year olds, that's a fact.

What I meant by - proved my point is - didn't feel too good to have it turned around on you, did it? You may or may not be someone who has sex with minors. So yes - my point exactly.

And you are correct, there is no middle ground for me when it comes to adults have sex with 16 year olds. That you understood perfectly.

Re: us not seeing eye to eye on that - see earlier post. We'll never see eye to eye on it.

I understand you want a rationalization. That is extremely clear.

Now, I will draw back and say - no, I'm not accusing you of being a pedophile.

I will say this - the arguement you just gave is one commonly used by adults who like to have sex with 12-16 year olds. The self same adults who aren't interested in a girl when she turns 18.

I attacked on intent. Are there ever special circumstances? Sure. I gave an example of one - a guy dates my daughter, he was 17 when they started dating. If he turns 18, am I going to make them stop seeing each other? Obviously not.

But as I said earlier, it's highly doubtful that's what this thread is about. This thread is about guys looking to rationalize away their desire to fuck chicks in high school.

Are you REALLY going to sit here, on GFY of all places, and tell me that the average attraction to a 16 year old by someone who thinks that way is her MATURITY? The day I believe that is the day you can sell me the Brooklyn Bridge.

Please...

Hell I fucked many 16 year olds back in the day!

I was only 15 !

I wouldn't cuz I wouldn't be legal, now if I was a few years younger and it was legal, yes if she was attractive!

jDoG

You apparently got it all wrong.

The reason it's about 16 year olds and not about another age is that at 16, most girls start going out to the "real" clubs. Now, these girls don't look 16... most of them look 18-21. If you go to a club and pick up a random 18 year old, she may well be either 16 or 24.

The guys that pick up these girls aren't pedophiles. They're interested in young women, not children. And the problem is just that - many of these girls are in fact young women, not children. They have the same maturity as the average 18 year old... which in all honesty isn't all that much. Then again, the same can be said for the guys in their early twenties that pick up that type of girls.

It's legal where I am and I would do it and have done it

I can appreciate what you are saying. I have a 16 year old daughter - I've met her friends, and my wife and I have raised our eyebrows at each other about a few of them. Nice girls, but trying to be grown up too fast.

I don't really feel the poll covers this, though. It pretty baldly asks, would you fuck a 16 year old, and it implies knowledge of it. I simply think it's wrong. I realize I come off pretty vehement about it, but my feelings on the subject aren't casual.

Personally, I see a trend in this society that I find very disturbing, on this exact subject. My daughter complains about walking by the gardners at her school - at her SCHOOL for fuck's sake - and how they'll whistle at her and her friends, wiggle their eyebrows and so on. These are guys in their mid twenties or older. And they are doing it right on the school grounds, apparently with no concept that what they are doing is fucking wrong. I've complained to the school about it - but with no proof...

It makes her feel very uncomfortable. So I see the direct effects of this kind of permissive thinking on my own child. It's not theoretical to me. She looks or acts older isn't an excuse for her not BEING older.

Nothing wrong with a guy glancing once or twice at your daughter (and her friends), but, if it becomes to the point where it's harassing her, then that's WAY out of line.

I mean, I'll glance at a hot teen wearing tight clothes or showing alot of skin (who doesn't), but I certainly wont' OGGLE her or catcall her. If she's interested, she will let you know. Then you can flirt back with her. But, if a girl is just going about her business, then you have to acknowlege that she's "just a teen" and have to give her that respect.

No man you just don't get it. You didn't turn it around on me...it didn't phase me one bit. I found it rather stupid and hypocritical.

You say there is no seeing eye to eye on this...the simple fact is I already stated I would NOT fuck a 16 year old.

What once again you are not getting is you coming off with this half cocked attitude about what you think is going on in other people's minds.

As has been pointed out on this thread and what you can't quite grasp is that:

1. 16 is legal in some places.

2. History has shown older men marrying females younger than 16, and this concept of protecting them now is roughly about 100 years old.

3. People mature at different ages.

4. The ages of webmasters answering this poll range from 18+ so you can't just assume they are all "dirty old men."

5. You apparently wish to push your values on others.

What it boils down to "IF 16 IS LEGAL WHERE YOU RESIDE" is a moral issue...and sorry but that is not for you to decide.

If it were then it would be for others to decide what I can watch on t.v., listen to on the radio, or view on the internet.

From the girl's point of view:

I knew several girls when I was in grades 9 and 10 who were dating older guys -- much older guys. Christine was 14 when she starting dating a 22 year old. Granted, she led a very fucked up life, but she still did it. By the time she was 16 she had had threesomes and everything, but she was still dating the same guy. Katie dated a 21 year old when she was 16. The other Christine didn't "date" per se, but sure did get around, if you know what I mean. She got into clubs all the time with that gambit. The rest of us straight-and-narrow girls knew it wasn't quite right, but we didn't think it was illegal or anything. Just that the guys shouldn't be dating someone that much younger, and the girls should't be trying to grow up so fast. But of course we were all jealous about the sexual adventures. :)

I guess my point is that messing around with a 16 year old girl isn't neccessarily corrupting some young catholic schoolgirl (see hentai movies for reference). Many girls by that age are quite ready to be sexually active, and are searching out males who are mature enough to turn them on, and often 16 year old males are too shy and/or absorbed in skating/drugs/cars to take notice.

First of all - the concept is 100 years old because people started living longer. The average life span of a woman used to be 40 years old - and child birth was the highest cause of death. Times have changed - come into the 21rst century.

Second of all - as far as pushing my values and it being for me to decide - it's called stating my opinion on a public board, which I did. On a subject I have strong opinions on. Your comment on this is ludicrous - as what I am doing is no different than what you are doing.

That's right, it is a moral issue. And I've stated my views on the morality of it. As far as 'dirty old men' go, as far as I'm concerned, if you are 21 or older and looking to fuck 16 year olds, you are a fucked up loser.

Your last 'example' is silly. One is you reading, watching, or listening. The other is you doing something with another person - in this case, a 16 year old. Total apples and oranges, and completely disrelated. I have only two keywords when it comes to what adults (note the keyword there 'Adults') do: adult, and consent. And both have to be present. As long as what is happening involves consenting adults, I don't care what you do.

The moment either of those two words drops out of the equation, then that is where Society steps in, correctly.

Lastly, when I give a shit about 'phasing you', I'll let you know. I was making a point, the point was made, and my reply remains 'my point exactly.'

Elli,

Thanks for chiming in. And just so no one thinks I'm living in a bell jar on this, my wife has communicated similar stories to me from when she was a teen.

And there aren't many catholic schoolgirls where we live. :)

My view is still that just because the girls are looking, doesn't mean that the older guys should be providing.

Yes, I totally agree. I think that any guy over 18 who finds a 16 year old girl to be good date-material is dating her because he isn't confident enough to date women his own age, and/or he's still stuck with a high-school mentality and is probably still living at home, living the high school life. In any case, he needs to grow up and hang around people his own age.

My point was that the girl isn't always some prey to be chased, as the question somewhat implied. The girls are often quite willing, and are often even more predatory than the guys.

I just had a thought...

candy...you have made ZERO points..other than that you still wish to continue to push your values on others.

My last example is not "silly," and is not comparing apples to oragnges...because as I stated in #1 *which apparently comprehension is just not one of your skills* is that 16 is *LEGAL* in some places which doh! implies the ability to give CONSENT!. Which is why doh! They call it the "age of consent."

So now here we are. You have 2 people who can legally give consent to having sex. One is 16 and depending upon the law *varies from state to state* one is either a few years older to many years much older...but the key thing is nothing *ILLEGAL* is going on as both parties can give CONSENT.

You trying to pair ADULT AND CONSENT together just does not fit into the equation because once again the age of consent laws vary from state to state in some cases you have to pass that magical barrier that someone established for adulthood 18...others you do not.

Something you might deem *IMMORAL* is going on.

So quit being so angry at yourself for looking at some 16 year old long enough to fully understand what is being said here.

Since it is *LEGAL* in some places then you're simply judging some people on a moral level which does apply to everything I have listed. Watching my legal *but immoral in some people's eyes* t.v. shows. Listening to my legal *but immoral in some people's eyes* cd's while viewing legal *but immoral in some people's eyes* porn on the net.

You don't like guys banging 16 year olds. Then I suggest you work on getting the laws changed that allow a 16 year old * and in some cases younger* male/female the ability to give consent at that age instead of spending your time on GFY worrying about phasing me.

eros,

Nice try, but the 'adult' end of it is still missing. And I already stated that there was most definately a morality question in there. No doubt.

Anyway, it's important to you to defend the concept of adults banging 16 year olds. And that's moral to you.

Knock yourself out. I think I made my points, and as addictive as this back and forth is (not being sarcastic, board posting is like crack), I really have to get some stuff done around the house, as we have family coming tomorrow.

So get another post up, keep defending that ideal, and you'll get to have the last word.

My gift to you - because I know it'll be important to ya.

Merry Xmas!

1 800 ABCDEFG try it, it works wonders.

Heh...

All debates aside - nice gallery work (checked your sig). Sent you an email.

Nothing like a nice heated back and forth before doing business.

Punkworld, you're way too young for me :Graucho but based on this post, I'd fuck ya! ;)

When I was 16 I got involved with a 23-year-old. We are friends to this day. I was (relatively) mature for my age; it was totally a mutual involvement (if anything, I pursued him).

I think that working in this business, a lot of us get perverted (naw!) ideas about sex. Sometimes it's actually about the intimacy between two people, and outside the realm of contracts.

I wouls assume most of us did fuck a 16 year old when we were 16. I fucked a 14 year old when I was 14.

But now the idea of fucking a girl that young still crosses my mind when I see them in the Mall, they all try to dress like Britney Spears. Thinking about it and doing it are different things.

Give me an experienced mid 20s girls anytime, a girl who knows her way around in bed. I want to get fucked in bed not giving lessons. :1orglaugh

Half-GFY wanna fuck a girl....


BTW... it's not illegal here to fuck 16yo girls :)

Cody, I can see where you are coming from, being a father of a 16 yr old yourself. I can.

However, I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but pedophiles aren't looking for young women in their later teens. That's not what pedophilia is. Cops consider the older guys who are looking for 14 yr olds, 10 yr olds, 8 yr olds or younger, as pedophiles. You seem to be trying to stretch the realm of pedophilia to include anyone under the age of 18, and that simply isn't how society sees it. Sorry. Like Eros has been trying to tell you all day, it is the age of consent laws that have the final say in what's what.

You as a father certainly have a right to get all bent out of shape at some guy if he's involved with your daughter, but what about your daughter's feelings? I've seen it before..... a younger girl of 17-18ish having a sexual relationship with a 43 yr old. I knew this couple about 10 years ago, they had been together (in that special way) for 4 years already when I met them. Basically her dad put them through hell, but in the end... guess what? That's right.... they are together. From what I remember, she eventually had enough of her dad's interference, told him to fuck off and she moved out on her own.

Now, you can put yourself in their place and say you'd call the cops on him, put him in jail, nail him with statutory rape, whatever..... but sometimes when you do that you end up losing your daughter all together, forever. I have seen THAT happen as well. I suppose sometimes a dad just has to trust that he brought his daughter up the best he could and leave it at that, and hope she does the right thing, makes the right choices.

AND...this post has nothing to do with "rationalizing" anything bro. It has to do with the fact that not every issue is as cut & dried/black & white as you seem to want it to be. As I said on page one of this thread, there are certain circumstances that tend to become "the exception", and what it all boils down to is this....... shit happens. Hopefully not to YOUR daughter, but it does happen. Sometimes it is the older guy's fault and hopefully those guys get what they deserve...... but sometimes the girl is mature for her age and is exercising her right to see who she wants, and in some of those cases there isn't a damn thing daddy can do about it.


Lastly, not everyong taking the poll was thinking the way you said, that they would fuck the 16 yr old "<i>because she's 16</i>"..... for many of the webmasters here it wasn't all that long ago that they were in that age bracket and dating 16-17 yr old girls anyway. I believe most guys out in a mall or at a park think similar things, one being that "the crop of high-school girls get hotter-looking every year".... I've heard that said a lot over the years actually. I don't yell "Pedophile!" every time I hear it. You are assuming the worst in all the "yes" people, and that simply isn't right.

But like I said, I can see and empathize with where you're coming from, you being a dad.

CD Smith,

Just finished up chores for tmrw and checked this before heading for bed. Very nice post, and I read everything you said and appreciate the time you put into it.

I do understand where the term pedophilia truly applies. I was pretty pissed earlier - it's true I wouldn't generally think of a guy who fucked a 16 year old as a pedophile. More of a lowlife asshole. :)

It is true that I view all of this through the viel of being a dad. Let me clarify - we don't run some kind of draconian spy satellite discipline on our daughter. However, we are familiar with her as a person. And we have occassion to observe a lot of girls her age by virtue of meeting her friends. And I have to say, our observation is, generally, no matter how mature these girls act, they are still not adults.

They are busy becoming adults. Trying to learn how to be women, what's right and wrong. Very busy finding themselves, defining themselves, figuring out what they stand for, etc, etc.

And an older guy inserting himself into this process, because he wants some pussy and girls that age are generally 'wowed' by the fact he's older - is truly repellant to me.

I think there IS a point where someone becomes an adult, and no, it's not just defined by age. But I do think it's specific. And I think anyone who is an adult can agree, and remember where they hit that point themselves. For me, it was the first time I couldn't pay my electric bill and the electric company turned off my lights. I remember sitting there in the dark, going, "Wow, they actually did it." And I toughened up, right then and there. I wasn't a kid anymore. I'd experienced tougher times before, but not when it was ME running the ship. I realized my ship could sink, fast. A small thing, but it was a wake up call that changed me for good.

And I don't see that in most 16 year old girls we've met.

Taking your comment re: the crop of high school girls getting hotter... when I observe what I just stated above, I just can't get my wits around that kind of thought process. I mean, fine, they aren't children - but they just aren't adults. It's just not possible for me to see them that way.

If you've crossed that line where you are an adult, you recognize it in others (at least, I think so) and you shouldn't be fucking someone who isn't there yet.

The absolute best example, to me, is from the movie 'American Beauty'. He's hot through the movie for his daughter's friend, and his daughter's friend talks the talk. But then he has that moment of clarity where he sees it the way it really is... she wasn't a woman, and what he was doing was wrong.

I think that that is going to be the truth, 8 times out of 10, and I think any guy who doesn't respect that when it's true is a piece of shit, and is just following the dictates of his cock.

Heading for bed - all of the above just my 2 cents. As I said, I appreciate the comments.

That's really sick most sheap are dead at 16, so that means you have to start foreplay with a shovel...:(

Maybe if she was 16 and a half. :glugglug

I dated a 16-almost 17 yr old guy when I was 18 but he lied about his age, he told me he was 17. his parents knew and didn't care. The cops knew too and did not care. Perhaps they did not care because I was female and not the other way around?

The cops found out because my ex was a gangbanger (back then) and got arrested for conspiracy for murder and they pulled us over on the freeway and interrogated both of us for hours with no attorneys present. They did ask him briefly why he was dating an older girl and he replied "because I'm a mack". The cops were more concerned about his criminal activities, they could have cared less that I was older. My ex went to jail for almost 7 yrs and he was tried as an adult, I doubt the cops thought that I actually took advantage of him, more like the other way around, even though he was younger.

This was over 7 years ago, btw. He's out now.

Sounds like necro-beastility to me... heh
:1orglaugh

I only fuck 50+ year old bitches

Cody --

You must remember though... not all 16 yr olds come from the same upbringing as your daughter and her friends are from.


And when young girls wear their bikinis at the park in the spring and show off their "playboy" tits it's pretty hard for anyone not to look a little and at least admire the view. Of course the odd comment about "the new crop of young-uns" is going to be heard from time to time.


Like I said, this issue isn't as black-and-white as you'd like to have it. People are only human after all.... some younger girls seem to seek out older men, and some of those older men are hard-pressed to resist in certain circumstances.


Of course you're right that some guys are just plain scum-sucking turds that will take advantage of any situation no matter what the resulting dammage is.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

:thumbsup

If the girl is hot, I'd hit it :Graucho

no its not
some on this board are 13
i can understand their wishes to fuck a 16yo
you know ? :)

Hell yeah.

Alot of 16yo hotties around here !!

:glugglug

I know a few 16 year old girls, just talk general shit about life basically, nothing else.

if i was 16 - but that's the only way.

I did a lot of times.It absolutely legal in CZech rep so its no problem.
I have 12 virgins in my records

Thats nasty