quiet

originally posted by Hooper (hope he doesn't mind ;) over at o p r a n o:

1.6 M per DAY? i guess scamming still pays...

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chowda

1.6mil a day. dang.

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do you know the url of the paris hilton site

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jon is a good guy !!!

hyper

he'll need it for the defense fund

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give me 1 of those days.. i'll be happy forever

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'what evil lurks in the hearts of men.'

the desire for money.

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Whoa that's some insane cash! Is it really true?

Dirty F

Holy shit!

If i were that guy i'd run after 1 month to a warm place in the bahamas.

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NICE

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Why... she is a pig... tried to watch that show she has with my girlfriend... I could not last two minutes before I got sick to my stomach and had to leave the room. I could not believe she sat through the whole thing...

My god, what is this world comming to?

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BRISK

Wouldn't Visa or the merchant bank put some kind of freeze on the money once they noticed the incredibly huge chargebacks? They might be billing $1.6M a day, but will they ever see that money? or will it get locked down before they can get their hands on it?

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qwe

dont know about charging $200 but whoever owns hilton site does more then 8k of joins every day..

Dirty F

I never got it either.

I would let her give me a handjob but thats about it.

Nothing attractive about that skinny skank.

WiredGuy

I refused to promote that site, their marketing was too aggressive and deceptive. No matter how much more I could have made with them, I refuse to become part of the problem that has made the adult industry in its current shape.

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you have no idea how some household name porn video companies expanded into the net market if you dont think folks who joined for 29.99 ever got sharged 199.99, ive seen it.

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Hooper

thats probably the plan. his bank will start feeling the chargeback heat in about a month... and they'll shut him down. but at 200 bucks a pop he doesnt care cause he doesnt need the recurring.

hope he pays his webmasters.... just remember how many people got fucked when babenet lost their merchant account for much less agressive tactics.

i stick with a horse who plays fair.. cause if he'll fuck the avrgage joe for 200.. why wouldnt he fuck you too?

jmho though.... do a search for cashmoney.. i've always disliked his scam.

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Martin

I'm like 0:5k with that site atm

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PM2

no scam

some pharmacies do 50mil+ a month no prob. you can get your own MID in panama for 75k.

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damn.

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1,6 m for the paris hilton scam you gotta be fucking kidding me..

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I think the other girl on the show is hotter...

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Very well said Hooper and I tend to agree with these principles. I knew webmasters who were converting like crazy, making 100+ joins per day. I refused to work with it though, we all know the heat is going to hit within a few weeks and I'm in this for the long run, not to make the quick buck (no pun intended to QB). Too many people think short term profits, its all about long term.

WG

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Many of the poeple getting charged the 200 are gonna charge back.

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quiet

ya think?

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sextoyking

Well said Hoop and Wired guy.

I am sure though that there corp. has alot of throw away merch. accounts, you would have to.

The reserves gotta be a killer

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We'll said charles. You are a stand up guy!

Dirty F

in 3 months he billed 720000 people.

There are what? 700 million people on the net?

How many people are of that number pay for sites?

Has to be less than 10%

Lets say 70 million people.

So in 4 months he reached 1/70 of all our potential customers?

Something sounds wrong here, full me in.

Mutt

shut up asswipe

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i applaud WiredGuy - most people in the biz are happily contributing to this scam. When VISA once again puts the clamp down there will be about 3 people in this business who can say they bear no responsibility.

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stocktrader23

Paris Hilton has been the number 1 search on the net since this came to light. At one point she had more searches than the next 7 or 8 terms combined. I made ok money with her with a 2 minute page I threw together. If you didn't see the potential you missed the boat.

Aside from that, it hasn't been going on for 3 months.

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Well im just saying that could seriously affect the outcome of that daily income estimate.

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stocktrader23

It won't matter! You think he's waiting on a billing company to send his money or something? He has a real merchant account and I'm sure he empties his DAILY deposits as soon as they come in. How many 1.6 millions does a scammer have to get before they don't care if people charge back?

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man don't even go there... you are talking about peoples lifes.. there is a reason a legal Pharmacist is required at your local pharmacy

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quiet

i think there's definitely more than a couple people who run clean ships...

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stocktrader23

He's not gonna give the money back. He has a real merchant account, you know the ones that give you your money as soon as it's charged.

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sextoyking

Quiet,

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quiet

sure, but i'm thinking he's not too worried about that. chargebacks take roughly 6 months to start appearing.

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Then somones gonna be going after his ass. no?

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sextoyking

Quiet,

I would say roughly 2-3 months is when they will start pouring in.

6 months some, but like on our merch. accounts, and with most rules the customer can't usually cb after 180 days, there is some exceptions though..

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stocktrader23

I doubt anytime soon. This isn't his first scam I don't believe. That's why he has other merchant accounts that have been closed.

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InsaneGreen

what website is it thats doing this? or does noone want to mention it?

quiet

yep, the customer can't usually cb after 6 months. however, from my experience (ipsp/3rd party) we never actually SEE any cbs appear for at least 6 months from the original date of purchase.

i'm sure there are differences using your own merch accounts though (like you said)...

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and to think all they have to do is download Winamp and watch it free..

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I have heard upwards of 12k joins a day at its peak. Atherton was smart enough to play the games. Like it or not, he will make millions of this once simple "scam".

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I don't believe that for a second. Total BS.

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Yeppers Quiet,

3rd party billers get so many and have alot more to process then most people.

We only get a few cb's per month on quite a big volume as our fraud / admin people look over every single order very closely.

one exception that hit us 2 months ago was a cb from almost 1 yr. ago. If the customer says to there bank / cc company that they have been trying to resolve an issue with the merchant for months, and it's not working, they can cb..

this customer had over 5 months written back and forth with our support people saying his vibe didn't work. After the first email They gave him an RMA# to return, we shipped him a new one the same day. He never shipped his bad one back, and for the next few months kept emailing saying he didn't get his new one.

We had Fedex signed proof with his name, etc. He told his bank we never responded to him 1 time, fucker. We won in the end with Sig. proof and about 15 emails

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