Santa or Satan...

[krazyone]

Have you ever thought about how close Santa is spelled to Satan?

They both dress in red.
They both show up out of nowhere.
They both cannot be caught or killed.
and they both give parents hell.

[johnbosh]

you have too much time:p

[NBDesign]

you forgot one...

they are both imaginary characters.

[krazyone]

Originally posted by johnbosh
you have too much time:p

got to find something to keep me busy...LOL

[krazyone]

Originally posted by NBDesign
you forgot one...

they are both imaginary characters.

I was gonna say that but some still believe.....

[traffictrader]

they both care who's been naughty and nice

[NBDesign]

Originally posted by krazyone


I was gonna say that but some still believe.....

sorry... should I take it back?

[TheLegacy]

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by NBDesign
you forgot one...

they are both imaginary characters.

that doesnt mean there isnt a personification of evil through the charachter Satan, or Lucifer.

I firmly believe in demons and the devil.

Its merely, charachter representation of good vs evil.

Satan is surely alive and well. I have him inside of me, so do all of you.

Spread His Word.

[NBDesign]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Satan is surely alive and well. I have him inside of me, so do all of you.

Spread His Word.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by NBDesign

'O grandest of the Angels, and most wise,
O fallen God, fate-driven from the skies,
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.
O first of exiles who endurest wrong,
Yet growest, in thy hatred, still more strong,
Satan, at last take pity on our pain!

O subterranean King, omniscient,
Healer of man's immortal discontent,
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

To lepers and to outcasts thou dost show
That Passion is the Paradise below.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Thou by thy mistress Death hast given to man
Hope, the imperishable courtesan.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Thou givest to the Guilty their calm mien
Which damns the crowd around the guillotine.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Thou knowest the corners of the jealous Earth
Where God has hidden jewels of great worth.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Thou dost discover by mysterious signs
Where sleep the buried people of the mines.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Thou stretchest forth a saving hand to keep
Such men as roam upon the roofs in sleep.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Thy power can make the halting Drunkard's feet
Avoid the peril of the surging street.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Thou, to console our helplessness, didst plot
The cunning use of powder and of shot.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Thy awful name is written as with pitch
On the unrelenting foreheads of the rich.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

In strange and hidden places thou dost move
Where women cry for torture in their love.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Father of those whom God's tempestuous ire
Has flung from Paradise with sword and fire,
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Satan, to thee be praise upon the Height
Where thou wast king of old, and in the night
Of Hell, where thou dost dream on silently.
Grant that one day beneath the Knowledge-tree,
When it shoots forth to grace thy royal brow,
My soul may sit, that cries upon thee now.'

[NBDesign]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX



'O grandest of the Angels, and most wise,
O fallen God, fate-driven from the skies,
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.
O first of exiles who endurest wrong,
Yet growest, in thy hatred, still more strong,
Satan, at last take pity on our pain!

O subterranean King, omniscient,
Healer of man's immortal discontent,
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

To lepers and to outcasts thou dost show
That Passion is the Paradise below.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Thou by thy mistress Death hast given to man
Hope, the imperishable courtesan.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Thou givest to the Guilty their calm mien
Which damns the crowd around the guillotine.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Thou knowest the corners of the jealous Earth
Where God has hidden jewels of great worth.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Thou dost discover by mysterious signs
Where sleep the buried people of the mines.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Thou stretchest forth a saving hand to keep
Such men as roam upon the roofs in sleep.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Thy power can make the halting Drunkard's feet
Avoid the peril of the surging street.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Thou, to console our helplessness, didst plot
The cunning use of powder and of shot.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Thy awful name is written as with pitch
On the unrelenting foreheads of the rich.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

In strange and hidden places thou dost move
Where women cry for torture in their love.
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Father of those whom God's tempestuous ire
Has flung from Paradise with sword and fire,
Satan, at last take pity on our pain.

Satan, to thee be praise upon the Height
Where thou wast king of old, and in the night
Of Hell, where thou dost dream on silently.
Grant that one day beneath the Knowledge-tree,
When it shoots forth to grace thy royal brow,
My soul may sit, that cries upon thee now.'

Oh, you were serious... sorry. I thought you were joking. I don't like to make fun of people's faith. Please accept my apologises.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by NBDesign
Oh, you were serious... sorry. I thought you were joking. I don't like to make fun of people's faith. Please accept my apologises.

\m/

[dirtydesignz]

Satan is an imaginary charactor made up by christians to scare people into believing. The charactor of satan didn't even exist until christianity was invented. Look back in history before christianity and you will not find any mention of a satan.

[NBDesign]

Originally posted by dirtydesignz
Satan is an imaginary charactor made up by christians to scare people into believing. The charactor of satan didn't even exist until christianity was invented. Look back in history before christianity and you will not find any mention of a satan.

I don't believe in any of it personally... god, satan religion period... but I feel everyone has their right to believe what they want... who am i to say they are wrong... same with you... until we die, we will NEVER know what is on the other side.

[dirtydesignz]

I totally agree that people should believe what they want and how they decide.

I am a Witch (try telling your family that) and I try to study ancient history on a daily basis and I was just pointing out a fact about the christian's so called satan. That's all.

[Fletch XXX]

Satan, Amun... it's all the same.

[Thrawn$]

believe it or not, they exist

[Fletch XXX]

Phosphorus [Greek] / Lucifer [Roman] ("Bringer Of Light")
The Morning Star; later equated with Satan and a fallen angel..

Osiris
Son Geb and Nut, he was murdered by his brother Set and his dismembered body scattered (cf. Baal), but his sister / wife Isis collected his parts and gave birth to Horus, then Osiris became god of the underworld as the sun passed beneath the earth before rising again.

[Oracle Porn]

Originally posted by johnbosh
you have too much time:p

[NBDesign]

Originally posted by dirtydesignz
I totally agree that people should believe what they want and how they decide.

I am a Witch (try telling your family that) and I try to study ancient history on a daily basis and I was just pointing out a fact about the christian's so called satan. That's all.

Yea, I think I could get into witchcraft... it's all about being respectful to mother earth... and not some god right?

[Head]

Originally posted by traffictrader
they both care who's been naughty and nice

Good one!

[dirtydesignz]

I'm not sure how you putt he two togeter? While Amun was an ancient Egyptian God that took the place of Montu, he was never accociated as a evil incarnate type of God. As a matter of fact, he was symbolized by the goose ! Not real scary and was represented as all holy and later was known by the symbol of the ram and was associated with fertility.

Can you explain what you meant?

[dirtydesignz]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Phosphorus [Greek] / Lucifer [Roman] ("Bringer Of Light")
The Morning Star; later equated with Satan and a fallen angel..

Osiris
Son Geb and Nut, he was murdered by his brother Set and his dismembered body scattered (cf. Baal), but his sister / wife Isis collected his parts and gave birth to Horus, then Osiris became god of the underworld as the sun passed beneath the earth before rising again.

I think I got your point. I go much further back in time in my religion, before the Romans started the downfall of the Goddess, she was worshiped long before any male god( go back to 25,000bc) . Also...I don't believe that the underworld is as satanist belive, bad and scary or evil. The night and underworld have been taught to us as a scary thing, when evil and where evil happens, I highly disagree with that.

All the Godesses and Gods had their two sides, like night and day. One was not better or worse than the other and it all equals out.

I can see why one would decide to worship one God over an other and I feel like you are well versed in your opinion. No biggie....I'm different too

[Fletch XXX]

Satan is mankind.

It's ego.

It's instincts

It's craving for power.

Satanism is Selfism.

[dirtydesignz]

Originally posted by NBDesign
Yea, I think I could get into witchcraft... it's all about being respectful to mother earth... and not some god right?

Well, here is just my opinion.....it's mostly an earth based religion, nature, both on this planet and in the stars and space beyond. I honor the old Goddesses and Gods, including the Triple Goddess of the waxing, full, and waning moon, and the Horned God of the sun and animal life. I also practice magick and defend myself for my beliefs almost every day. People really look at you funny when you wear a pentagam around your neck with an obsidian crystal hanging from it. Oh well.

As a matter of fact, This time of year is very magickal for me. The Winter Solstice is a awesome time for Witches!

OK, off my soapbox.....I try to accept everything, so no more arguing or shoving my stuff down anyone's throat Later....

[Fletch XXX]

Hmm, the Horned God Of The Sun,... The Morning Star... Lucifer...

Love it.

*throws on son of the morning star*

[dirtydesignz]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Satan is mankind.

It's ego.

It's instincts

It's craving for power.

Satanism is Selfism.

TOUCHE`..... then I guess I know alot of satanists

[dirtydesignz]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Hmm, the Horned God Of The Sun,... The Morning Star... Lucifer...

Love it.

*throws on son of the morning star*

See, that's how Christians did it too....made it an evil thing, when it is completely not. That is how Satan got his 'looks' and his names. Just because he is a horned God you assume that he is evil and satanic? Maybe your a Christian and don't know it?

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by dirtydesignz


See, that's how Christians did it too....made it an evil thing, when it is completely not. That is how Satan got his 'looks' and his names. Just because he is a horned God you assume that he is evil and satanic? Maybe your a Christian and don't know it?

yeah i am christian

hahaha

i am simply relating them treehugger.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by dirtydesignz


TOUCHE`..... then I guess I know alot of satanists

If you had ever read anything about Satanism and Selfism youd see the relation.

[Fletch XXX]

although i dont support the church of satan

this is a good start on elfism in Satan.

http://www.churchofsatan.org/selfworship.html

[dirtydesignz]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


yeah i am christian

hahaha

i am simply relating them treehugger.

Oh Fletch...no need to start calling names. I'm not a tree hugger, although I do use the energy in nature and my surroundings I can't remember a time that I've ever hugged a tree :O

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by dirtydesignz


Oh Fletch...no need to start calling names. I'm not a tree hugger, although I do use the energy in nature and my surroundings I can't remember a time that I've ever hugged a tree :O

Treehugger is a friendly term.

[NBDesign]

Originally posted by dirtydesignz


Well, here is just my opinion.....it's mostly an earth based religion, nature, both on this planet and in the stars and space beyond. I honor the old Goddesses and Gods, including the Triple Goddess of the waxing, full, and waning moon, and the Horned God of the sun and animal life. I also practice magick and defend myself for my beliefs almost every day. People really look at you funny when you wear a pentagam around your neck with an obsidian crystal hanging from it. Oh well.

As a matter of fact, This time of year is very magickal for me. The Winter Solstice is a awesome time for Witches!

OK, off my soapbox.....I try to accept everything, so no more arguing or shoving my stuff down anyone's throat Later....

This is quite interesting... I would like to learn more... so if you ever feel like chatting... ICQ me sometime.

[dirtydesignz]

k, btw, just checked out your site.....your a really good designer...good to know

[JDog]

Originally posted by krazyone
Have you ever thought about how close Santa is spelled to Satan?

They both dress in red.
They both show up out of nowhere.
They both cannot be caught or killed.
and they both give parents hell.

Maybe Satan turns into Santa at christmas, there's a good reason for any family not to celebrate it!

jDoG

[NBDesign]

Originally posted by dirtydesignz
k, btw, just checked out your site.....your a really good designer...good to know

me? wow, thanks.... some people around here don't think so.... nice to hear that every now and then

[dirtydesignz]

Fletch and NBDesign, checked out both of your sites...nice !

BTW, I was wrong! I was reminded of a time I did 'hug' a tree, only to smell the pine bark, it smelled like cherry vanilla!

[Scootermuze]

Originally posted by krazyone
Have you ever thought about how close Santa is spelled to Satan?

They both dress in red.
They both show up out of nowhere.
They both cannot be caught or killed.
and they both give parents hell.

One is symbolic of giving and happiness..
The other one isn't...

You choose..