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i see what you are saying

yes yes yes

Hehe, I could see a big spammer fighting on this issue. Think of how much money is involved.

yep, if all major domains are forced to shutdown their spam filter
this is the eldorado for all solid mailers !

were can one find the exact laws of what can and cant be done? is it out on the net

Taken from spamhause.org:

Spammers contend:
"Blocking spam is illegal!"

Court Answer:
"Nothing in the Constitution compels us to listen to or view any unwanted communication, whatever its merit. We categorically reject the argument that a vendor has a right under the Constitution or otherwise to send unwanted material into the home of another. If this prohibition operates to impede the flow of even valid ideas, the answer is that no one has a right to press even 'good' ideas on an unwilling recipient. The asserted right of a mailer, we repeat, stops at the outer boundary of every person's domain." - Chief Justice Berger, U.S. Supreme Court

Now, the part that says "We categorically reject the argument that a vendor has a right under the Constitution or OTHERWISE to send unwanted material into the home of another."

Well now they have a right under FEDERAL LAW. I'm not saying anything could be done for sure, maybe it's written in the law that spammers have no recourse. If not, it will be interesting over the next year or so for sure.

interesting...my questions is how will they implement the scrub (opt-out) list? will they give it out so people can clean their lists with it :Graucho

If you're ready to sit down and read go to http://www.spamlaws.com You'll see under Federal laws CAN-SPAM act or something similar. It gives you the entire law in exact wording.

As of right now you only have to operate your own opt out list, so each business has to be opted out of seperately. They are looking into a national do not spam list but it's not part of the deal right now.

Go bushy
it's my spam day
we gon blast mails like it's my spam day
we gon sip diet sprite like its my spam day
and you know fuck tha t-o-s it's not your filter day

YOU CAN FIND ME IN THE CHATS
ENHANCORIZING STATS
LOOK FAT
I GOT THE PR0N IF YOU REALLY INTO THAT
IM INTO FATTY SKANKS
I AINT INTO SKINNY BROADS
SO COME LOAD UP MY PROGS
IF YOU INTO TRADING POGS

my spam got me the dough i spend all all my fancy things my food my comp my car my cigarettes look homie i done came up and i ain't 1337

forget terms like solid and pro mailers. The cost of proxy mailing will end up higher than direct mailing. Everyone will be considered legit within a couple of months.

50 legal spams.

:') Praise the lord

SPAM 4LIFE

law text
http://www.spamlaws.com/federal/108s877.html

SEC. 5. OTHER PROTECTIONS AGAINST UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL ELECTRONIC MAIL.

(a) REQUIREMENTS FOR TRANSMISSION OF MESSAGES-

(1) PROHIBITION OF FALSE OR MISLEADING TRANSMISSION INFORMATION-
Use a Dedicated Mailing Server Out of China
(A) header information Don't Use Proxies or Relays
(B) a `from' line Use Real Froms

(2) PROHIBITION OF DECEPTIVE SUBJECT HEADINGS-
Don't Use False or Misleading Subject Lines

(3) Inclusion of return address

(5) INCLUSION OF IDENTIFIER, OPT-OUT, AND PHYSICAL ADDRESS IN COMMERCIAL ELECTRONIC MAIL

Use Real Froms, which you can use to remove removal request. Also, Requires us to have the standard removal links (Plus Congress gives us some tips, Remove Links, with a Options Page so they can either Totally Opt Out or Opt In to Other Mailing Lists. And the third thing, I really don't like, is you have to INCLUDE A PHYSICAL POSTAL ADDRESS (I.E. Home/Office/PO Box Address.) So, they can easily track us down, if we break the law...

(d) REQUIREMENT TO PLACE WARNING LABELS ON COMMERCIAL ELECTRONIC MAIL CONTAINING SEXUALLY ORIENTED MATERIAL-
Use ADULT/ADV Warning Lables


Basicly that is what the new laws requires from Mailers, not too bad, still feasible..........

Some other Interesting Stuff, Concerning Sponsors:

SEC. 6. BUSINESSES KNOWINGLY PROMOTED BY ELECTRONIC MAIL WITH FALSE OR MISLEADING TRANSMISSION INFORMATION.

(a) IN GENERAL- It is unlawful for a person to promote, or allow the promotion of
Here's what scares me the most: No Sponsors = No Spammers, so it looks like there going after the sponsors as well Sounds like their going to hold the Sponsor more responsible now, which means less sponsors and sponsor turnning over all of our info to the Feds to save their ass'es.....

SEC. 11. IMPROVING ENFORCEMENT BY PROVIDING REWARDS FOR INFORMATION ABOUT VIOLATIONS; LABELING.
This is really messed up, This section keeps the DAMN ANTI's employed.........

And you gotta love this final one
SEC. 8. EFFECT ON OTHER LAWS.

? NO EFFECT ON POLICIES OF PROVIDERS OF INTERNET ACCESS SERVICE- Nothing in this Act shall be construed to have any effect on the lawfulness or unlawfulness, under any other provision of law, of the adoption, implementation, or enforcement by a provider of Internet access service of a policy of declining to transmit, route, relay, handle, or store certain types of electronic mail messages.

Basicly, this MEANS, if you follow the letter of the LAW, AOL, MSN, ISP's, Spamcop.net, etc can keep blocking your emails................

(d) REQUIREMENT TO PLACE WARNING LABELS ON COMMERCIAL ELECTRONIC MAIL CONTAINING SEXUALLY ORIENTED MATERIAL-
Use ADULT/ADV Warning Lables


this one will be the problem. A simple command on outlook can filter all the legal spams.

This laws ramifications will be fun to watch. I can see the possibility of a big "Oh Shit, what did I do?" on Capitol Hill!! :1orglaugh

I believe the phone companies have the technology to filter, they just don't have the equipment... and it would be very cost prohibitive to put that in... more than the 25 cents to $10 they tack on for other services which wouldn't go over well with consumers... so they waited for the government to deal with it.

On ISP's... I'm betting the courts go with what I said... it's common sense. Use a different ISP if you dislike that one blocks spam. No one is twisting someones arm.

Bottom line is, How MANY fools actually WANT spam?!?! lol Law usually prevails for the majority or we'd have legal murderers don't you think?! If you ask your mailman nicely, you never see junkmail either... legal or not, it's done all over the country every day. ;-)

I'm still betting that the jerk spammers that send to any addy they can get won't conform or stay conformed for long.

thanks :)

ok. i'm confused. i look at the text on this page and i see that warning labels text.

but when i look at the bill on the library of congress site, i can't find it.

:(

The Blocklists will become even more powerful as a result of this law. Any host , ISP or individual can block anyone they want. They can't be touched. ISPs can continue to terminate spammers in violation of their own term of service irregardless of the new law. Anti-spammers can get bounties( percentage of fines) for helping track down anyone who doesn't follow all the rules if they are prosecuted. The Feds and the States can go after violaters.

.....and the "No Spam" list which requires a confirmed "opt-in" still may be instituted by the FTC.

Porn SPAM is handled differently and is supposed to "labelled" which means you are right; it would be very easy to fileter out. Problem is, they haven't really defined what and how it will be labelled. It the laws seems somewhat vague, confusing, and non-specific, it is.

This law was backed by the DMA(DirectMarketingAssoc) and is designed to help the mainsleaze spammers like Microsoft, AT&T, etc... NOT the smaller porn and penis pill spammers.

I think this bit is quite significant for current spammers/sponsors in the US:


<b>The new law makes it a misdemeanor crime subject to up to one year in jail for intentionally sending UCE with falsified header information and sets out civil penalties for a host of other common spamming practices used to obtain e-mail addresses, including harvesting, dictionary attacks and spoofing.

Hijacking computers or open relays for the purpose of sending unlawful spam are also proscribed.

Under the law, businesses knowingly promoted in UCE with false or misleading header information are also subject to FTC penalties and enforcement remedies, regardless of whether the FTC is able to identify the spammer who initiated the e-mail.</b>

Forwarding my email to GW finally paid off :)

Nobody is going to be sued for publishing a list of spam sources. Any lawsuit would fail if it were launched. Several have tried already and failed.

As the operator of a server, if I want to block mail I will. My server my rules. You dont like it ? Stiff.. I don't care.

I think there will be a lot of lawsuits filed within a couple months of this taking effect.


Then there is the whole question about California...

California gets to have their new laws in effect for 4 months (the 120 day grace period that Can-Spam allows)... how is that going to work? California is proabably pissed off that their law got overrode by a 'weaker' fed law.

So does this overrule the state rulings that have imposed severe fines for sending spam? Washington, California and I think there are a couple of others.

Im been reading this thread and i must say i am in shock! I can not belive that they would pass a bill like this. It is tuff enough for a legit webmaster to make a good liveing in this business with all these spammers out there all ready. All bush did was give them a green light for the spammers to take even more money from the legit webmasters............

My dogs breath smells like poo.

Cry me a river !:321GFY

Hmmm the practical effect would be... Use a proxy or other device to hide your identity, you go to jail. The other practical effect would be massive scrubbing of LEGAL spam since spam filtering services know now where and who is sending the stuff.

Spam is ubiquitous though. Email spam is just one permutation (a mature one at that) of unsolicited marketing, there's tons of other approaches.

Wherever people communicate...the opportunity for spam exists.:2 cents: This law only covers the most obvious forms of spam :glugglug