50 people waiting for Choker's reply :glugglug

The problem is that you, as a tgp owner, are getting false information when you go to Findtrades broker board. Period. Anyone can say anything they want and there is nowhere to refute the posts . I am positive that one of the brokers on that board has posted himself and had alot of his friends post for him and it's almost all bullshit. Anyone can do a search on here about this guy and find out what he is really about. So the board is totally misleading. No proof required on what people have to say and if I just don't like you, I can go put your name and place a false post about you. And for someone to say what they said about AST and say they have proof, well bring it here then...

Imagine a board where sponsers were held up to the same type of thing...you'd all be bitching how unfair it is and that it's not true....that you don't shave like so and so said and you don't owe $1000's of $$$ to Joe Blow. Think about it.....

Thanks Baddog. We had ours one time, but it's no big thing. I think you know that.

Thank you :)

Thank you.

Funny thing is, as I try to keep up with this thread, my ICQ is lit like a christmas tree.

Some who wanna buy traffic (LOL) and some who think this findtrades/brokers is BS.

I know some brokers hate this thing too, but most are too afraid of Choker to say anything :(

They look about as fake as the negative ones IMHO.

I would only go to that board as a source of entertainment, the way I used to when AWI had that cheaters forum.

Always good for a laugh.

still no reply ?

Yup baddog, I agree. 9 or 10 rated traffic (by that rating system) bought from anywhere is bullshit.

No reply Skilful, because he's probably asleep. I messaged him, and I'm sure his ICQ is lit like mine is right about now.

I was so pissed when I saw that last one for the thousand dollar fucking joke, and after being ignored by him (Choker) yesterday, I boiled the fuck over.

Still boiling.

This I agree with. The anon shit that goes on on these boards got old and tiresome years ago. You want to slam someone's business, then sign your fucking NAME to it or keep your wimpy trap shut.

LOL ! Findtrades/brokers

Now, That's a fact folks, LOL

(Wow!! I bought 200 (not 200K, but 200) hits from them and got 184 sales. Simply amazing!!)

Looked at your site. Next time I'm buying traffic, you have a shot at it....

So in the end Adult Site Traffic may get more biz, cause of all the attention this thread is getting.

You put the name choker in the subject line and your gonna get some attention.

Thank you pussyluver, we'll do our best, just like always.


Thanks CD. I think they need to post their domain that got traffic. Then, if they're not in our records, they can defend themselves in public. Period.

Nics and usernames just ain't gonna cut it, and everyone knows what a proxy is.

:Graucho

I will be gone for a while. I need to go raise my prices now :)

Come around tomorrow, LOL, it's probably going to get really interesting when this thread warms up (and I assure you that will happen) and I go pull all of the false posts out and show you exactly why they're bullshit and how I know :thumbsup

ahh the DRAMA dont we just love it :1orglaugh

so did you hear Sadaam is captured? :Graucho

Guess it's time for a Sig Break

Well, I think I know who did your LOL post. :winkwink:

I know who did a lot of posts on that board, and I'm prepared to show just how truthful and unbiased it really is.

There's just a shit load of drama going on today on GFY!

jDoG

Yea, I hate the anon shit, I always sign my name to what I say!

jDoG

I agree that this system seems doomed to fail, but why are you advocating that it be sabotaged? You said so yourself earlier in this thread that you didn't want to stoop to their level.

Afraid of Choker?

I was just getting some work done and didnt see the post untill now :winkwink:

Doomed to fail is an understatement to the reputations that are going to be damaged, namely, mine. I have a serious stake in this deal.

Not advocating anything at all. I'm just saying how easy it is to do whatever you like. If I wanted to sabotoge it, I could do it myself, hell, it's already sabotaged, what's the difference..

That's basically the short version of the post I put on every message board out there, (except tuna and oraprno) when I agreed to help kick it off, against my public statement that it was a bad idea.

Just worded a little more pointed.

I never meant it to sound like that Ozzy. It was a poor choice of words.

I meant: The damage that can be done to someone, me, in this thread could be heavy. I would expect that anyone with a stake in this business would stay the hell away from it.

Think I missed something...

damn shit getin deep in here....

his sites get high PR so just ignore the comments and enjoy the SE spider food

Fare enough.

CHOKER'S GONNA RIP YOU A NEW ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!

I bet you wish you knew what the fuck you were talking about.
:2 cents:

I don't want the PR. I want confirmed domains, e-mail and ICQ listed for people who are going to post bullshit, or I want my site removed from that page.

The rest of them can have at it for all I care, but it will never be accurate anyhow. Probably not even close.

JUST THE WAY I SEE IT.

GET READY FOR A NEW ASSHOLE.

Hey n00b, yer capslock is on. What makes you think I am or should be intimidated? You don't know me very well.

Personally I think giving feedback in this situation is worthless without knowing who is posting the feedback. Besides the fact that competitors may intentionally try to slam your business, there is no garauntee that even legitimate clients wont make statements that are completely ludicrious given their experiences. Basically, I would much rather a few opinions where I can look up the source and relations, rather than tons of anonymous useless and impossible to trace comments.

With that being said, and that being understood by the majority of people with a brain, including yourself, why did you help choker develop this system if you knew it was flawed from the outset?

Seems if you were that against it you should have just stayed out of it, in this case you helped him load the gun that eventually shot you, why?

no reply, no drama.... why are you guys reading this thread at all ?

Thank you for your support. Let me begin by posting the Original Thread .

The only 2 posts I refer to, are the first post and mine, beginning about half way down page 1. I saw the flaws in this from the beginning and stated as much. I also saw value in the program, by using it to root out cheaters. In hopes that enough webmasters would post honestly, I took it to every board. I was hoping to get legitimate posts well started.

Several of us have been putting out fires started by scammers for months now, because if one scammer hits, all brokers rhetorically become thieves. I thought maybe, if we could get enough legitimate posts started quickly, we'd have a place to point clients for results.

I counted on dishonest brokers posting, which has happened on a large enough scale thus far. (I'm willing to post what, who and how I know).

I did not count on all of the webmasters, reading the threads I placed, and basically saying, "I bought from broker x and it was pretty good traffic, or OK traffic or shit traffic", whatever, and then not even taking 2 minutes to come post honest feedback.

At least I gave it a shot, the alternative would have been to sit on my thumb, because the page was certainly staying in place regardless.

Now, I'm just fed up. I refuse to have false bullshit information posted about me and my company, and just grin and bear it.

Don't mind him he's just the GFY troll posting under a new alias

He ain't no thing. :)

I have to sleep. It's 0200 and I think I have a big day tomorrow.:winkwink:

I hope I wake up in time to stoke this fire a little bit before it gets out of control.

Skimmed through/read the original thread for the site and it seems that the idea of things averaging out was what would make the system work. Its 4AM so I cant really look into it but a few quick points I wanted to mention.

Averages only work if the posters are indeed intelligent and from all of the replies about your traffic there isnt enough information to make even the anonymous posts worth my time whether they be positive or negative.

What prevented a feedback or a credential system being installed.

And if Choker said that there are other reasons for running this besides the obvious, then why not employ a full time reviewer for all users signing up for access and for all posts made. Firstly to make sure to establish business relations and act as a mediator since disagreements will obviously pop up, and secondly to make it more difficult to post, so that only people serious about their business would go through the hassle of finally getting their post displayed.

With no real review system in place it makes it a free for all that won't work on averages since it's too easy to get listed.

Why even if you continue with anonymous posting just simply having someone review the post to make sure its got quality information besides "It sucks" or "It's good" is already start.

And give an option to have the poster contacted by the reviewer incase something smells fishy the reviewer can contact the poster and ask for more information which would then help establish the posts credentials.

Otherwise its a good idea but useless as a service.

A perfect example is that anyone who gives a Chuck Palahniuk book a bad rating without knowing his writing style isnt someone whose opinion Im going to value. If on the other hadn one of his books gets a bad review but I know this is a poster who has read his other books and enjoyed a few, then its worth something, and I can look into and think maybe he did write a bad novel this time.

Without knowing the relation of the buyer and the seller and a bit more history it's useless. Like in your original post, half the battle with buying traffic is knowing what to do with it, so if a guy buys Euro traffic and sends it to US and says it sucks his opinion is worth dick, even if its completely accurate, and even if he made no sales, because meanwhile a person who can manage EU traffic can make a killing.

Looks like having someone in the traffic business running this site should be something that would set off alarm bells, not exactly like extra money cant be made on this for the traffic broker behind it, not to mention its being integrated into an already existing site for that broker.

Oh yeah if any of that doesnt make sense or it looks like I'm rambling, cut me some slack, its 4:18AM. :thumbsup

Interesting...

liquidmoe: Your post makes perfect sense, and I agree with every word of it.

As a traffic broker myself, I want to make sure that all the scammers and cheaters are exposed as soon as possible.

The concept of the findtrades/brokers system is a good one, but it's flawed in its execution. The comments and ratings should not be made anonymously; that just leads to all sorts of abuses.

Just my :2 cents:

I think choker's board is just fine.
If someone's business rises and falls on anon posts, it wasn't much of a business, was it?

I buy traffic from adult site and few others and i aint complaining about adult sites traffic

I buy from choker, adult site, and turbo guido


All are good traffic people. MY dick is massive

This pretty much sums up this entire thread. Doesn't it?

I stopped answering your icqs because I got sick of your whining. If I interfere in what guys post in any way I will be seen as biased. I made this system so it would be 100% unbiased. Your attempts to sabbatoge this will not go unnoticed. I had planned on making changes to the system that required guys to submit a site for approval before they could make a review which I will still do. What I will do is make the review include the url they bought traffic to. If it is a bullshit url then I will delete their review.

What seems to be happening here is you and ucumseeme are using MY program as a way to get cheap shots at each other. All you are thinking about is yourselves and fucking each other. This says a lot about the maturity level here. And you wonder why I ignore your icq's? LOL

Ok, Now we're on. I didn't take shots at you in any way, only your fucked up page, you want to take shots at me? Let's go.

1) You never answered my ICQ. What kind of business is that? You just intend to let people post whatever they like whitout any sort of proof at all? Let the broker take it in the ass, as long as it's not you, right? I bet if there were a few "chocker sends bot to pad his traffic" you'd have sat right up? LOL.

I'm not sabotaging that page, but if you like, I'll bump this thread forever. The general consensus is that it's fucked up. Open your eyes and read the thread.

Me and UCumSee.com Marketing WHAT ?

NOW you're accusing me of something. Go get your Logs Choker, and I'll go pull out every post I made.

Accuse me of something, post your proof. I rated every broker on that board whom I bought traffic from, one time, honestly.

Go Get your fucking PROOF choker, if you want to accuse me of making bullshit posts about UCumSeeMe.com Marketing

I think as long as there is a way to give a rebuttal sorta like on ebay, I dont see the problem. It would be no different than someone posting to gfy saying such and such traffic broker sucks. Then you can reply to the allegations, and people take it for what its worth.

And, Don't drag me in saying I'm filling that fucked up page with bullshit posts to play some sort of stupid game.

If you're going to say that, then that's a lie man

LOL, funny how the only post you agree with is the ONLY post that doesn't say your findtrades/brokers program isn't a mess.

Typical Choker, instead of addressing the problems, you resort to your typical 'I'm better than everyone else so you can just kiss my ass cuz I'm never wrong' behavior. Talk about the maturity level....

You did this board for yourself, plain and simple. The only way it wouldn't be biased is if you weren't in control of deleting post that don't favor you.