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Yes. In other words, the US electoral system allows someone who does not win the popular vote to become president.

'Earlier in the day, rumors of the capture sent people streaming into the streets of Kirkuk, a northern Iraqi city, firing guns in the air in celebration.

"We are celebrating like it's a wedding," said Kirkuk resident Mustapha Sheriff. "We are finally rid of that criminal."

"This is the joy of a lifetime," said Ali Al-Bashiri, another resident. "I am speaking on behalf of all the people that suffered under his rule."

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On another note, I find it funny how certain people embrace certain parts of the constitution and conviently ignore other parts.

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Heres some education on the electoral college for the euro trash in the audiance.

http://www.cato.org/dailys/11-10-00.html

"Recall the ways our constitution puts limits on any unchecked power, including the arbitrary will of the people. Power at the national level is divided among the three branches, each reflecting a different constituency. Power is divided yet again between the national government and the states. Madison noted that these twofold divisions -- the separation of powers and federalism -- provided a ?double security? for the rights of the people.

What about the democratic principle of one person, one vote? Isn?t that principle essential to our form of government? The Founders? handiwork says otherwise. Neither the Senate, nor the Supreme Court, nor the president is elected on the basis of one person, one vote. That?s why a state like Montana, with 883,000 residents, gets the same number of Senators as California, with 33 million people. Consistency would require that if we abolish the Electoral College, we rid ourselves of the Senate as well. Are we ready to do that?

The filtering of the popular will through the Electoral College is an affirmation, rather than a betrayal, of the American republic. Doing away with the Electoral College would breach our fidelity to the spirit of the Constitution, a document expressly written to thwart the excesses of majoritarianism. Nonetheless, such fidelity will strike some as blind adherence to the past. For those skeptics, I would point out two other advantages the Electoral College offers.

First, we must keep in mind the likely effects of direct popular election of the president. We would probably see elections dominated by the most populous regions of the country or by several large metropolitan areas. In the 2000 election, for example, Vice President Gore could have put together a plurality or majority in the Northeast, parts of the Midwest, and California.

The victims in such elections would be those regions too sparsely populated to merit the attention of presidential candidates. Pure democrats would hardly regret that diminished status, but I wonder if a large and diverse nation should write off whole parts of its territory. We should keep in mind the regional conflicts that have plagued large and diverse nations like India, China, and Russia. The Electoral College is a good antidote to the poison of regionalism because it forces presidential candidates to seek support throughout the nation. By making sure no state will be left behind, it provides a measure of coherence to our nation."

I find it funny how some people seem to think that if you agree with parts of a position, you must also agree with the whole.

I for one agree with several things in the bible (don't murder, steal, that sorta stuff). Does that mean I should also agree with the parts about killing heathens?

allan you are a tool

what means money for US? they can print $$$ very easy, they're doing it for years without backing them up...
so it's all about keeping the $ hegemony rather than some oil pipelines...
on 6 november 2001 saddam started to sell oil for euros (the oil for food program) . so same price but cheaper currency, asians where happy because 0.90Eur was 1$ that time, so they were paying less.
that's what pissed off bush, not the crimes and other shit like this....he ordered the media to change the target from osama bin laden to saddam hussein.
have you wondered why bush didn't go to Niger for example?
3 millions innocent people were killed by the local militia in 5 years and no one cared... wait, maybe they don't sell bananas on euros :winkwink:

rooster, us "euro trash" know very well how your electoral system works. However, it remains a ridiculous system.

If you use the current system to make sure sparsely populated areas don't get screwed, you are forgetting one thing: the way it is now individuals get screwed. Based on where you live, your vote is worth more or less. Democracy at it's finest?

Protecting individual states can be done in a much simpler way, namely giving states a lot of autonomy. Giving citizens of a certain state more voting power than those of another state when it comes to the federal government, however, is idiocy.

Reducing this to the dollar is a bit too simplistic, I think. While it may have been an influence, I strongly doubt it was one of the main reasons for the invasion.

I've seen some fucking stupid threads here, and seen some ignorant people but you have to be one of the biggest fucking idiots to have asked that question. :321GFY
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I hope I was clear.

"What should we do, the usa is making us look like idiots"

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I cant beleive they caught him

What I find funny is , All these people talk about forget the WMD's we are giving the Iraqi's their freedom. Last week Bush told Taiwan dont even try to vote for your freedom from China. I found that very amusing lol.

Yeah, so everyone hates us. So fucking what? I saw the same sort of thing when I lived in North Idaho. The masses of poor people that were struggling always had shit to say about the few that were even moderately successful and would do anything they could to pull them down.

Nothing different than what happens on a national scale. Everyone hates our fucking guts, but guess who they whine to when they need food or money... Yeah it is us...

"Youze a bitch ass mutha fucka.... Hey... Can youze hit me up with a $50??"

Yep!

There should be the YET part on there.. you dont know if he had any part in the 9-11 attack, he may have helped fund efforts, either way I have different opinions on different parts of this whole thing, I think the guys a scumbag. I'm glad we got him, but I think we could have gotten him the last time around, and saved our country $86billion, and saved the lives of soldiers who continue to die every day from our occupation of iraq.

I know alot of other causes that could have benifited from that money, such as community college programs, child schooling, after school programs.. shit like that.. We could put our money to a better use sometimes..

Anyways, things will work out eventually.

Media

This happened to you?

:glugglug

of course not... I live in america. shit like that doesn't happen here. dumb fuck

he's right. the rest of the world hates the us. if anyone plays on xbox live, there are people from different countries and all they do is sit there and talk about how much they hate the us. even canadians.

sorry we don't have bombs going off every day at malls and football games but if you don't like that about your country, come move here. we don't give a fuck. we won't be hanging out with your foreigner ass anyway.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tony404
What I find funny is , All these people talk about forget the WMD's we are giving the Iraqi's their freedom. Last week Bush told Taiwan dont even try to vote for your freedom from China. I found that very amusing lol. [/QUOT]


indeed...

All these people who say we should have let the u.n do its job.... we tried for what 12 years or so? I really wish the big fucking joke known as the un would have at least enforced the sanctions that itself had imposed. I honestly dont see a problem with the U.S laying the smack down on anybody when they continually thumb thier noses at the U.N. when the international community doesnt have the testies to back up thier own sanctions.... why not let the big boys just do it?:321GFY

Does this apply to Israel also?

Haha yeah Saddam was good at the old smoke and mirrors tricks..

He has been up to no good for so long..

Media

Amazing... simply amazing that some of you remember to draw your next breath.

allan you must be about 18 yrs old. too young to remember when saddam was giving the finger to the UN for about ohhhhh 12 years! Is the UN really the type of police you want protecting you?

I'm not scared that more ignorant fucktards like you don't like the US.

It must suck being bombed by the IRA. It sucks thinking things like 'does this arab-looking guy want to blow up this plane I'm on?' I've been saying for years that if this is a war on terrorism then the IRA has to be on the list of targets. I hope I'm right. Sitting around doing nothing while evil prospers is just wrong.
Let other countries gear up for war. I could give a shit. Who's going to bring it?

In my opinion yes.... those are probably the most crooked fucks in the world. I dont see how they get away with the shit they do, but then again the havent fucked with us in 40 years :)

Bashing Bashing & Bashing Nice thread :thumbsup

Are you trying to imply that if it had been up to the US, Iraq would have been invaded immediately? :eek7



Something to think about for some of you Americans who go around saying the US should "liberate" the entire world:
Most of you will say you are bringing democracy to the rest of the world. The closest thing to a global democratic organization is the UN. By bypassing the UN, you are choosing not to do things the democratic way, but the barbaric way - "me stronger, me do what me like".

What that does is take away from the international credibility of the UN. Apparently, if you're powerful enough, you can do whatever you want. The precedent that is set by such actions is extremely dangerous... it gives countries like China and Russia the "right" to do exactly the same thing with other countries.

With the US backing it, at least the UN has some power - however little it may be. While the UN is undoubtedly a slow, bureaucratical and inefficient organization, it is our best hope for a future with less wars and more global cooperation.

I dont believe the us had a right to immediately invade anywhere.... but when you have a country, any country basicly telling the "world police" to fuck off (12 years of it)and there is no recourse for that country, from the almighty U.N i dont believe there is any credibility to them anymore. If we hadent done what we did... im sure there would be more of these rouge states telling the world to fuck off. What we did was in my opinion, was a great service to the world, now instead of some fucking garbage country telling everyone to fuck off and not getting punished, they always gotta worry about the U.S not taking their shit.

Also the us has backed the U.n since its inception, but it ultimatly has no power when you cant do shit without everyone saying its ok. It is a doomed intitution and this political bullshit will be its eventual downfall

The inspectors where there for years and the sanctions where never relaxed or removed so the Iraqis got more and more frustrated.

Well I don't see the US invading North Korea even though it still tells the world to fuck off. Actually isn't Bush begging for Taiwan to stop demanding freedom from China? I mean seriously. Do I also have to mention Israel? Your argument is quiet weird.

Bush had made the US into another one of those rogue states who tells the world to fuck off.

The inspectors were there, yes, but they were NEVER allowed to do thier job by being allowed immediate and unobstructed searches of any sites, and there were always a few of saddam's men around at the questioning of top scientists(always makes it easy to tell the truth). I believe if you look back you would see that the U.N stated it was willing to relax some of these sanctions if these minor and absolutely justified demands were met, this being after 8 years of Iraqi defiance.... They were not and to top it all off the inspectors were the kicked out of the country.

Still wonder why those sanctions were never relaxed?

North Korea is a little different than Iraq because up untill a year or so ago they more or less complied with what everyone wanted.. they had thier nuke plants shut down and allowed continued unsupervised monitoring of thier offending plants and substances. They seemed willing up untill then to work with the international community, that would be why the U.S seems more tolerant. Believe it or not the U.S allows the U.N to take obscene amounts of time to make the offending nations get thier shit in order before we even think about getting involved. I swear you haters think were some fucking "Ghengis Khan like, rape and pillage your country for no other reason than I sat on my nuts when I got on my horse this morning" type country.

I dont and will not pretend I know anything about Tiawan other than my alarm clock was made there. :) So sorry I cant rebut that one ;)

Isreal is a fucked up problem and I dont see why the U.S allows them to do what they do, other than they are are only "trusted" country over there in that region. Like I said I dont see why they are allowed to do as they please, and I don't agree with everything my country does or has done but most of the time I think we are right in what we do.

In closing I would like to say... where the fuck are all the posts calling me a dumbshit or the like for my post count? I am truly disappointed in you G.F.Y :Graucho

because we can you pussy :321GFY and you can't be british because your english sucks. your just some foreigner who obviously couldn't get into the US so you ended up in the UK... moron.

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What exactly is the :1orglaugh UN? Democracy?

You have to be fucking kidding me.

Stupid socialist fucks that think they can solve the worlds problems in a few yearly meetings.

It was the US who put Saddam into power. It was the US who engaged Saddam to kill others. It was the US who supplied Saddam with both biological and chemical weapons to use against those who do not serve "US interests".

Since he served the US so well while it suited, that raises the question again, "Why are you Americans anti him?"

He is a murderer and bully - he has been responsible for much torture and killing. The same can be said for several leaders.

Saddam was acting on behalf of the US for many years and his help was appreciated in many quarters, despite the fact that US government knew also of his killings and were happy to accept his "favors", supply him with the "means" and look on.

It looks like "American's" are so "anti him" because they are taught to be "anti him".

No one doubts Saddam is a killer, that has been known for years, - what were ya doing when he was killing thousands? Enjoying the oil??

The US has no credibilty in any issues regarding Saddam Hussein.

Of course not!

Hail the UN.


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broke:

The UN is a resprentation of the international community.

This supercedes any other nations interests and the declarations constructed within the UN represent the interests of all member states.

Is this a "democracy"? It sure looks that way!

If you consider the international community to be "Stupid socialist fucks", I think you may have to learn something :1orglaugh

un is a spineless debating society. It is very hard to get the un to take action. Rwanda for example, an estimated 800,000 were killed.

the simple answer is all your oil belongs to the white men from north america.

lucky we have do gooders or id of had all the diamond mines in africa by now. :thumbsup

rooster:

And what did your government do when repeatedly asked by the UN to contribute "some" forces to Rwanda? Nothing.

The same applied to Canada, UK, serveral Euro countries - they did nothing.

This was not a reflection on the UN in that, despite urgent requests from it's members, those members chose to ignore the situation. It is the members you may have to chat about "taking action", - including your own government.

The UN ain't some "perfection" to aspire to. It is also not any "debating society". But it does represent the international community - a thing that the US government is clearly not in favor of, - at least at this time. Wonder why?? :winkwink: And it ain't cos you have been "taught" that it is "irrelevant" - more to do with the ususal selfish "interests" in not wishing to listen to the international community.

No it isn't.

Key words "member states".

Patrarch of the world community as it fits the 'member states'.

LOL.


I don't consider the international community to be "Stupid socialist fucks"... I consider stupid socialist fucks to be stupid socialist fucks.

I think you have much to learn.

He sealed his fate pretty much when he attacked one of US intersts/allies, Kuwait.

That is the most retarded comment I have read so far! LOL I hope you are joking or actually I don't care... I had a good laugh, thanks!

see http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=208698

broke:

Hardly worth the effort to any response, but ya need to "try", - real hard, to say something that is actually meaningful, instead of your closet "opinions" in some pathetic attempt to "attack" :1orglaugh

Is black white today?? :Graucho

allanuk you dumb fuck lol. Do you know anything about politics or how the world works?

You don't need to be in office to understand these things, all you need to do is fuckin pay attention. It blows my mind to see how you (and a few others here) can believe that America is so awful.

Granted, I have never lived outside of the US, but I know 100% that life here is better then anywhere else on earth. The problem that you and a few others here are having, is what's called JEALOUSY! You're jealous that we get to live so freely. Both men and women can live here and be treated as equals. We are able to speak are minds without being punished. We stick up for one another and on top of that, we're smarter.

If you guys had half a fuckin brain you'd wake up and realize that the US has the right idea. While you guys die from poverty, we're taken care of. Example---September 11th. We came together as americans, and helped one another. Would your people do that? Would they donate to help others. Im willing to bet thats a big fat NO. Not only cause your a cock knocker, but because your standard of living is so low.

On another note... This thread should be stopped. I know I dont want this douch bag to win anything from GFY for having the longest thread.

USA! USA! USA!

Heather Hamptons:

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

OK then.. we all have "views" and in most countries you are free to express them!!

Mmm.. I'm wondering if I am dying of poverty now you mention :1orglaugh

Sheesh... yea, it might be just as well ya just stay at home!! :)

Webby shut the fuck up stupid bitch...U can hate Americans but don't make up lies fucking ignorant piece of shit dumb slut...:321GFY