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SleazyDream · 12-10-2003, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
I agree 100% with Sleazy, this shows a total lack of class and I'd never touch this program.

Jason K, how can you not understand what Sleazy is saying? A company has a couple screenshots posted by an ex-employee that makes it look like they're shaving, very far from real proof, and you exploit that situation in a desperate attempt to get people to promote your program? Sad.

thanks rich - that's my point exactly.

boneprone · 12-10-2003, 03:33 PM

Jesus Has Left the Building.

Jason K · 12-10-2003, 03:40 PM

Ok Rich and Sleazy,

I do now undersatnd that you say we are not cheating. Let me say a few words and then give me your thoughts. I you are basically saying that we are taking advantage of PIB's misfortune. Look at it at our stand point. First off...our webmaster is third on that list as id #68. Beside that point....who is the real victim? You are saying it's PIB, but in reality it's the webmasters. Where does this leave the webmasters? Holding their Dicks? So are we wrong for siding with the webmasters?

SleazyDream · 12-10-2003, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by Jason K
Ok Rich and Sleazy,

I do now undersatnd that you say we are not cheating. Let me say a few words and then give me your thoughts. I you are basically saying that we are taking advantage of PIB's misfortune. Look at it at our stand point. First off...our webmaster is third on that list as id #68. Beside that point....who is the real victim? You are saying it's PIB, but in reality it's the webmasters. Where does this leave the webmasters? Holding their Dicks? So are we wrong for siding with the webmasters?

it's not that you're not wrong for siding with with webmasters, it wrong to jump on a bandwagon like this and make a marketing program for YOUR company based on the misfortune of others.

i'm not defending PIB cash at all here - understand that. just saying that there wasn't difinative PROOF - only third party acusations at best - and that's not a smart thing to make a marketing program for YOUR COMPANY based upon.

Jason K · 12-10-2003, 04:00 PM

we just see things diiferent.

SleazyDream · 12-10-2003, 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by Jason K
we just see things diiferent.

well i HOPE i at least enlightened you to looking at something from a different perspective.

JSA Matt · 12-10-2003, 04:13 PM

Jason K · 12-10-2003, 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

well i HOPE i at least enlightened you to looking at something from a different perspective.

I value your views sleazy. I hope can see it our way as well.

Brad-Wishing · 12-10-2003, 04:21 PM

It's capitalism man. ANY company would do the same.
Let's say MCIs network went down for a day.
I'm sure AT&Ts next commercial would be:
"Don't lose your phone and BUSINESS for days on end with some OTHER company.. come to us!"

Every company in the world will grab a foothold on something like this.
And I absolutely guarantee you there are lots JUST like Sleazy who will boycott what happened and say it was unjust.

That's the nature of business... unfortunatly not everyone sees eye to eye.

SleazyDream · 12-10-2003, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad-Wishing
It's capitalism man. ANY company would do the same.
Let's say MCIs network went down for a day.
I'm sure AT&Ts next commercial would be:
"Don't lose your phone and BUSINESS for days on end with some OTHER company.. come to us!"

Every company in the world will grab a foothold on something like this.
And I absolutely guarantee you there are lots JUST like Sleazy who will boycott what happened and say it was unjust.

That's the nature of business... unfortunatly not everyone sees eye to eye.

no - not ANY company.

some companies DO have class and don't fall for the lowest common deminonator.......

others DON'T.

Steve · 12-10-2003, 04:27 PM

This is a good deal for anyone who's ID was on those screen caps. This is a solid program, that is getting better every day.

These guys don't run bullshit contests, fake congrats threads, or other phony reach around tactics on the boards. Why? Because they are busy making money

Solid program, solid staff - now offering people who got screwed ( ok, I'll throw in allegedly here, to satisfy the angry masses ) a nice way to re-coup some of the lost earnings, in time for Xmas.

Alex From San Diego · 12-10-2003, 04:29 PM

Thanks Steve...wish you were still here in SoCal....could use you about now....

Theo · 12-10-2003, 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

a marketing campaign directed at people who may or may not have been cheated -

may or may not? Obviously you haven't seen the growing list of webmasters he has scammed.

He failed to prove to his affiliates that he runs an honest program by providing admin access to people that dispute it. Actually he was so paniced that at first he made a support topic on his board with a "real screenshot" of the admin and in no time he deleted it for obvious reasons.

Rconn is a scam artist and thief. He was a thief way before the shaving came out and that's why such reactions from webmasters. (Rconn, i hear you have lawyers, take notes)

As far Alex's offer, it is legit and everyone working with him already knows he is among the most trustworthy persons in this business.

OneHungLo · 12-10-2003, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve
This is a good deal for anyone who's ID was on those screen caps. This is a solid program, that is getting better every day.

These guys don't run bullshit contests, fake congrats threads, or other phony reach around tactics on the boards. Why? Because they are busy making money

Solid program, solid staff - now offering people who got screwed ( ok, I'll throw in allegedly here, to satisfy the angry masses ) a nice way to re-coup some of the lost earnings, in time for Xmas.

I agree 100% Steve. There are so many scumbags and scammers in this biz, unfortunately i can count on one hand who i trust in this biz and Jason and Alex are 2 of them.

rfk · 12-10-2003, 04:47 PM

Jason=looser

Theo · 12-10-2003, 04:55 PM

rfk = retard found keyboard?

welcome on board rfk

Jason · 12-10-2003, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by rfk
Jason=looser

Only when we play golf in Vegas.. But proberly not by much..

Get a clue nerd.. I guess you have an S Class to..

Who is the loooooooser now, anon?????

Alex From San Diego · 12-10-2003, 05:01 PM

No to many people would call Jason loser to his face except for me of course....lol

Darby · 12-10-2003, 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by PornDollar

Only when we play golf in Vegas.. But proberly not by much..

Get a clue nerd.. I guess you have an S Class to..

Who is the loooooooser now, anon?????

Nah dude it's

"he shoots in the 80's and drives a Mercedes"

HarlotCash Dyker · 12-10-2003, 05:13 PM

A couple of people have made complete twats of themselves in this thread -

Most certainly not Jason and Alex

Business is ALL about marketing - And if one programme screws webmasters and is caught, then why shouldn't an honest programme jump in and pick up the pieces for their own benefit?

I bet you there are several programme owners out there now thinking: "Why the fuck didn't I think of that"?

Way to go, Guys!

Alex From San Diego · 12-10-2003, 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by HarlotCash Dyker
A couple of people have made complete twats of themselves in this thread -

Most certainly not Jason and Alex

Business is ALL about marketing - And if one programme screws webmasters and is caught, then why shouldn't an honest programme jump in and pick up the pieces for their own benefit?

I bet you there are several programme owners out there now thinking: "Why the fuck didn't I think of that"?

Way to go, Guys!

Thanks, we appreciate the backing.

Take care.

Why · 12-10-2003, 05:24 PM

what the fuck is up with you fucking whiners. he is offering to help people, some of whom lost into the thousands, to help recoup thier loses.

even if its not true at least he is offering to help them, and if its not true then its his loss. what the fuck can you lose?

and i seem to recall when website billing took a dive ccbill and epoch were in here like mother fuckers trying to scoop up clients in the fall out.

STFU babies. get a fucking grip.

business is business, get over it.

Jason · 12-10-2003, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by Darby

Nah dude it's

"he shoots in the 80's and drives a Mercedes"

Let me get the beats

JSA Matt · 12-10-2003, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by Why
what the fuck is up with you fucking whiners. he is offering to help people, some of whom lost into the thousands, to help recoup thier loses.

even if its not true at least he is offering to help them, and if its not true then its his loss. what the fuck can you lose?

and i seem to recall when website billing took a dive ccbill and epoch were in here like mother fuckers trying to scoop up clients in the fall out.

STFU babies. get a fucking grip.

business is business, get over it.

Not to mention LikeWhoa. How many hosts were jumping on that one? Get real...

Steve · 12-10-2003, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
No to many people would call Jason loser to his face except for me of course....lol

Not too many people know you guys were trained to kill by the Government.

Nice job on the hosted galleries, too. I gotta get these babies into the rotation - they look like money to me.

maxjohan · 12-10-2003, 05:29 PM

good promo!!

Alex From San Diego · 12-10-2003, 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by Steve

Not too many people know you guys were trained to kill by the Government.

Nice job on the hosted galleries, too. I gotta get these babies into the rotation - they look like money to me.

Shhhh Steve......you know I am softy...lol

strobi · 12-10-2003, 05:40 PM

WHOA!!

AlmightyZeus · 12-10-2003, 05:48 PM

All?s I know is that JasonAndAlex are offering a sweet deal to the webmasters who where ?allegedly? shaved. They are forking out extra coin from their own pockets in order to help some webmasters out. How is this wrong?

Zeus

Why · 12-10-2003, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlmightyZeus
All?s I know is that JasonAndAlex are offering a sweet deal to the webmasters who where ?allegedly? shaved. They are forking out extra coin from their own pockets in order to help some webmasters out. How is this wrong?

Zeus

i guess youd have to have your head deep in your ass to understand how its wrong.

MetaMan · 12-10-2003, 05:53 PM

i am SICK of board spam, these people dont even have 1000 posts and go around and spam every corner possible, list your links in threads that people ask for spam in them, i dont care who you are or who knows u spam is spam.

JSA Matt · 12-10-2003, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by MetaMan
i am SICK of board spam, these people dont even have 1000 posts and go around and spam every corner possible, list your links in threads that people ask for spam in them, i dont care who you are or who knows u spam is spam.

You are sick of spam yet come to GFY daily? That makes sense!

TheJimmy · 12-10-2003, 05:54 PM

that shit was funny!

Rich · 12-10-2003, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt

Not to mention LikeWhoa. How many hosts were jumping on that one? Get real...

If you can't tell the difference between a company folding and a couple screenshots posted by a former employee... well, I'll fed ex you a guy and some bullets, you do the rest.

doober · 12-10-2003, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich

If you can't tell the difference between a company folding and a couple screenshots posted by a former employee... well, I'll fed ex you a guy and some bullets, you do the rest.

could you fedex me a blonde with big tits instead?

Marina · 12-10-2003, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
No to many people would call Jason loser to his face except for me of course....lol

I wouldn't call either of you guys losers but I would love to kick your ass from time to time!

I trust about a handful of sponsors... and Alex is one of them.

FreeFastHost · 12-10-2003, 06:25 PM

If I remember correctly wasn't Alex a legend when it came to submitting gallereis and making bank from like 5 years ago?

I've never pushed traffic to their program, but just recognizing his name I could say that this program would most likely be a good choice for those who got ripped off by PIB cash.

Psychic-A · 12-10-2003, 06:28 PM

It seems this whole arguement is about class.

heh

Barely any major money making company uses class to get to the top and make their riches.

They do what they gotta do to get paid!

Class is for bitches not riches.

Btw I wanted to test out my new sig.

Marina · 12-10-2003, 06:28 PM

yep

RE: making bank

You would throw up if you knew just how much bank!

I use to think I did OK until I saw his stats a few times and it depressed me for months!

JSA Matt · 12-10-2003, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FreeFastHost
If I remember correctly wasn't Alex a legend when it came to submitting gallereis and making bank from like 5 years ago?

I've never pushed traffic to their program, but just recognizing his name I could say that this program would most likely be a good choice for those who got ripped off by PIB cash.

The one and only

Nice site Psychic-A, I like it

[Dan] · 12-10-2003, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

I said your program was just as easy to manuilpate - and in all honesty - it is. All programs are - anyone saying anything different is lying. I NEVER said you did any manulapation - just that is was possible.

How is it possible, when the stats and signups are handled by the cc processor? Are you accusing paycom of having a built-in shaving mechanism??!

I personally think it's a great pub move, congrats to them. Those who think they've been shaved can take on their offer, others who think the screenshots are fake, don't have to; simple as that...

Alex From San Diego · 12-10-2003, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FreeFastHost
If I remember correctly wasn't Alex a legend when it came to submitting gallereis and making bank from like 5 years ago?

I've never pushed traffic to their program, but just recognizing his name I could say that this program would most likely be a good choice for those who got ripped off by PIB cash.

Not sure about being a legend....lol.... That makes me sound old but yes we are the two guys who did and still do pretty well with our galleries.

A matter of fact about 50% of the freehosted galleries were done by me...

I also need to give credit to Darkland Studios for the templates to Jism Junkies and Cumshot Review.

If you elect to make your own galleries to hesitate to hit me up on ICQ and I'll critique them for you and give you some our tips.

Take care.

Webby · 12-10-2003, 07:48 PM

Oh crap!

If anyone is willing to put their liberty at stake and cut the crap.. cut off all traffic records and archive em and get the cops in. This is an allegation of fraud and the only way to kill it is get the books opened and anyone with actual proof do the same.

Anything less than an "independent" investigation is meaningless.

And....no!! No messing with the "evidence" before anyone can access it!

psyko514 · 12-10-2003, 07:50 PM

That page and the post never claims PIBCash shaved. They refer to a sponsor that allegedly shaved. Nothing wrong with that.

SleazyDream · 12-10-2003, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich

If you can't tell the difference between a company folding and a couple screenshots posted by a former employee... well, I'll fed ex you a guy and some bullets, you do the rest.

Alex From San Diego · 12-10-2003, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514
That page and the post never claims PIBCash shaved. They refer to a sponsor that allegedly shaved. Nothing wrong with that.

Thanks Bud...That is why I used the word alledgely

Take care

magnatique · 12-11-2003, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
No to many people would call Jason loser to his face except for me of course....lol

I called him a looser once when I first played golf with him cuz I won.... But then, he started playing 5 times a week and driving the ball 400yds... so I gave up

You Still playing good Jason? Broke the 80 yet?

Quote:

Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
Shhhh Steve......you know I am softy...lol

not according to your mouse when you were talking to that cel phone guy in the old office LOL

---

Definately a Unique marketting idea ;)

NickB. · 12-11-2003, 07:15 AM

This is 2 funny! 2 many asslickers here on gfy!

Steve · 12-11-2003, 08:01 AM

99 alleged smiles

- Jesus Christ - · 12-11-2003, 08:06 AM

I read the whole god damn thread even though boneprone claims I had left.

1. Its spammy... BUT so was porndollar; at least these guys are offering to compensate people based on how much they were ripped off.

2. "Allegedly"? That went out the window (at least for me) when they locked all webmasters out of past stats within 24 hours of the infomration being leaked.

3. Making numbered lists is cool and fun even though I really had nothing important to add to this dicussion.

4. 100

5. Bye.

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12-10-2003, 03:40 PM	#53
Jason K Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 110	Ok Rich and Sleazy, I do now undersatnd that you say we are not cheating. Let me say a few words and then give me your thoughts. I you are basically saying that we are taking advantage of PIB's misfortune. Look at it at our stand point. First off...our webmaster is third on that list as id #68. Beside that point....who is the real victim? You are saying it's PIB, but in reality it's the webmasters. Where does this leave the webmasters? Holding their Dicks? So are we wrong for siding with the webmasters?

12-10-2003, 04:00 PM	#55
Jason K Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 110	we just see things diiferent.

12-10-2003, 04:27 PM	#61
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	This is a good deal for anyone who's ID was on those screen caps. This is a solid program, that is getting better every day. These guys don't run bullshit contests, fake congrats threads, or other phony reach around tactics on the boards. Why? Because they are busy making money Solid program, solid staff - now offering people who got screwed ( ok, I'll throw in allegedly here, to satisfy the angry masses ) a nice way to re-coup some of the lost earnings, in time for Xmas.

12-10-2003, 04:55 PM	#66
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	rfk = retard found keyboard? welcome on board rfk

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12-10-2003, 05:13 PM	#70
HarlotCash Dyker Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: At a whorehouse near you Posts: 1,828	A couple of people have made complete twats of themselves in this thread - Most certainly not Jason and Alex Business is ALL about marketing - And if one programme screws webmasters and is caught, then why shouldn't an honest programme jump in and pick up the pieces for their own benefit? I bet you there are several programme owners out there now thinking: "Why the fuck didn't I think of that"? Way to go, Guys! __________________ !!!Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash!!!

12-10-2003, 05:24 PM	#72
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	what the fuck is up with you fucking whiners. he is offering to help people, some of whom lost into the thousands, to help recoup thier loses. even if its not true at least he is offering to help them, and if its not true then its his loss. what the fuck can you lose? and i seem to recall when website billing took a dive ccbill and epoch were in here like mother fuckers trying to scoop up clients in the fall out. STFU babies. get a fucking grip. business is business, get over it.

12-10-2003, 05:29 PM	#76
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12-10-2003, 05:40 PM	#78
strobi Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 7,383	WHOA!!

12-10-2003, 05:48 PM	#79
AlmightyZeus Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Mount Olympus Posts: 59	All?s I know is that JasonAndAlex are offering a sweet deal to the webmasters who where ?allegedly? shaved. They are forking out extra coin from their own pockets in order to help some webmasters out. How is this wrong? Zeus

12-10-2003, 05:53 PM	#81
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	i am SICK of board spam, these people dont even have 1000 posts and go around and spam every corner possible, list your links in threads that people ask for spam in them, i dont care who you are or who knows u spam is spam.

12-10-2003, 05:54 PM	#83
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FreeFastHost Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,588	If I remember correctly wasn't Alex a legend when it came to submitting gallereis and making bank from like 5 years ago? I've never pushed traffic to their program, but just recognizing his name I could say that this program would most likely be a good choice for those who got ripped off by PIB cash.

12-10-2003, 06:28 PM	#88
Psychic-A Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 69	It seems this whole arguement is about class. heh Barely any major money making company uses class to get to the top and make their riches. They do what they gotta do to get paid! Class is for bitches not riches. Btw I wanted to test out my new sig. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

12-10-2003, 06:28 PM	#89
Marina Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: at my fucking desk Posts: 437	yep RE: making bank You would throw up if you knew just how much bank! I use to think I did OK until I saw his stats a few times and it depressed me for months! Last edited by Marina; 12-10-2003 at 06:31 PM..

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Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Oh crap! If anyone is willing to put their liberty at stake and cut the crap.. cut off all traffic records and archive em and get the cops in. This is an allegation of fraud and the only way to kill it is get the books opened and anyone with actual proof do the same. Anything less than an "independent" investigation is meaningless. And....no!! No messing with the "evidence" before anyone can access it!

12-10-2003, 07:50 PM	#94
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12-11-2003, 07:15 AM	#98
NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	This is 2 funny! 2 many asslickers here on gfy!

12-11-2003, 08:01 AM	#99
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	99 alleged smiles

12-11-2003, 08:06 AM	#100
- Jesus Christ - Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ::::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: ::::::\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|:::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::: Posts: 7,197	I read the whole god damn thread even though boneprone claims I had left. 1. Its spammy... BUT so was porndollar; at least these guys are offering to compensate people based on how much they were ripped off. 2. "Allegedly"? That went out the window (at least for me) when they locked all webmasters out of past stats within 24 hours of the infomration being leaked. 3. Making numbered lists is cool and fun even though I really had nothing important to add to this dicussion. 4. 100 5. Bye. __________________ Amen