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sixpack 12-09-2003 11:25 PM

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Bummer, I tried to give you guys the benefit of the doubt. Maybe I was mistaken
I'm sorry, we are doing everything we can to give the lawyers what they need and get answers from them, I don't know what the outcome will be yet or what they want to do yet, I't not been even 24 hours yet.

SureFire 12-09-2003 11:37 PM

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Originally posted by biglou
First of all, let me introduce myself to some of you. Many of you know me already, and I hope that my reputation is good.

My name is Gregory Snyder, though I go by the nick of Big Lou, which was taken from an article I wrote in the December 1998 issue of National Lampoon. I am 41 years old and I am a writer, obscure character actor, singer/songwriter, Shakespearean scholar, former and sometimes teacher, and a Goodwill Ambassador for Japan (no kidding ? I have the medal and scroll to prove it.) Since September of 1997, I have also been someone who makes a living in the adult entertainment business. If you know me at all, it?s from my days selling memberships to avs services and as half-partner in the adult content business Hottiez, in which I recently ended my partnership to start Big Lou?s Adult Photography Service.

Because I do not believe in flame wars, I am going to make my post and let it stand. If any of you have opinions on the subject, feel free to send a polite email to biglousapsATaolDOTcom.
It is with great apprehension that I have seen the arrest, trial and conviction of PIBcash on this board. The evidence we have been presented is tenuous, at best. A novice could manipulate the screen caps that were shown to say anything that they wanted. However, we are not dealing with novices. We are industry professionals (I am using that term loosely after reading some of your posts) with an extensive knowledge of graphics, and there are very few of us who could not have produced the same result (if not better.) As far as having the domain of shavecash.com come from the state of Arizona, give me an hour and I can set up a domain that says its owner lives anywhere in the world. This is another trick any of us can do, and not a very good one.

You also accepted the facts without considering the source: a disgruntled employee, who has accused PIBcash of shaving. Upon first learning that this was someone that had not only been associated with the company, but had made attempts to blackmail them, I took a deep breath and shook my head. Something was just not right about this source. I am amazed that more of you didn?t have the same reaction (or maybe you did, but chose to stay in the silent majority.)

Many of you wondered why it took PIBcash so long to respond. when they are flamed on a webmaster board. I discovered this a long time ago when I started my content business, and was no longer just another avs webmaster. Many of you have the luxury of being able to say what you want, when you want, be it right or wrong. A company the size of PIBcash, or even Big Lou?s, does not have this luxury. They have to be very careful when defending themselves.

The parties I am most alarmed with are those people who posted flaming messages, while featuring the logo of a rival webmaster program beneath their text. These are hardly unbiased opinions in this discussion, and those who have their own webmaster affiliate programs should be very prescient of the fact that they might someday have a disgruntled employee leveling similar accusations with even thinner evidence. Perhaps they think that bringing one program down will help theirs, but that?s an awful way to do business and those posters should be ashamed.

I am not a disinterested party in this matter; I am working on a business venture with PIBcash, and at this point, the contracts have not yet been signed, the deal is not yet final. That being said, I am satisfied with the explanation given by Tom (SixPack.) It makes a lot more sense that anything else that has been posted on this board. I do not make this judgement lightly. Like a lot of you, I?m still smarting from my experience with an ex-avs that shall remain nameless (I say that because it appears that they do not like to be mentioned publicly, and I intend to give them their wish.) Because of the time, effort and financial resources that I will have to devote to my dealings with PIBcash, I think that I can say with great certainty that I have more to lose than any of you. I still intend to sell for PIBcash on my galleries and I am not at all deterred in my other dealings with the company. Some of you may consider me naive, but I?m not the one who has accepted a series of screen caps as hard evidence.

As for those of you who have convicted PIBcash in the court of public opinion, I would only ask that you monitor Porn Posse?s audit of PIBcash, then be so ardent in your opinion when the facts are known.

Big Lou

Since I read your bs post, my questions to you is where are your footnotes to back up your creditably and why should I email you and why are you making an ass of yourself. Sorry you lost me when you said "Unlike you, PIBcash is a company with a lot to lose; they can?t just fly off the handle in an unprofessional manner ..."

Well unlike you, I don't put the masses down to make a point.

Rich 12-09-2003 11:44 PM

Wow, PIB cash won't have a bunch of newbies who sign up and send 1 join a month, or sig whores flying their ref code on GFY, big deal. I doubt they've lost any real business over this. Offering to let top affiliates look at their admin area and having a 3rd party do audits is a lot more proof to me than screenshots from some scumbag trying to scam $1000 from webmasters and an employee who got the boot. :2 cents:


Talking about jimmy3way's part in this, he said he had real proof and he'd show it for a grand. He would've taken the money if someone offered it right away. How would you feel if you paid $1000 for that most likely fake screenshot? That's a scam.

Kick Ass Chat 12-09-2003 11:45 PM

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Originally posted by jimmy3way
First: If this shit is fake - why did PIB lock webmasters out of their historical stats a few hours after this broke?

Second: Rconn&SixPack, you fat fuck - I fucking DARE you to sue me you lying shitbags. I double dog dare you, I'm BEGGING you to try to sue me.

Cos if you do, I'm countersuing your cheating asses for fraud and I got at three other people who are lighting your ass up with summonses. I'm getting my thousand bucks AND my legal costs.

Before I posted this I did a lot of research into Rconn's business practices. I had no intention of messing with a stand up guy without giving him a chance to explain. Know what I found out?

Rodney's a lying scumbag.

I agree with all of that. Also RConner will also find himself in a Heap of Tax problems (in my opinion) if any suits do arise from this. I would bet my nuts that in the past years with all his adult traffic dealings, his books are not going to be clean......now this is just my own 2 cents...:2 cents:

ElvisManson 12-09-2003 11:53 PM

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Originally posted by Platinum Dave
Disgrunted employees suck ass, I know the feeling, lucky never had one do something melicious as this perhaps.

But I know Tam *briefly* she seems like someone that wouldnt do this.

Kimmy Kimmy brought up her name I dont even know if Tam is the employee you are talking about.

Quit hiring our ex employees and you'll avoid a lot of money lost and time spent on crap.

:2 cents:

cosis 12-10-2003 12:15 AM

yeah to long or I would have read it

Aussie Rebel 12-10-2003 12:22 AM

Too long, you know your at GFY right? most of us couldn't be bothered reading shit that long

Veterans Day 12-10-2003 12:26 AM

WHY WERE THE STATS LOCKED? :helpme

Rich 12-10-2003 12:26 AM

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Originally posted by Aussie Rebel
Too long, you know your at GFY right? most of us couldn't be bothered reading shit that long
People who are too stupid/lazy to read more than one paragraph are obviously not smart enough to be affiliates worth giving a shit about. If you had any real stake in this business it would be worth your time to read shit like this.

stevent37 12-10-2003 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by jimmy3way
First: If this shit is fake - why did PIB lock webmasters out of their historical stats a few hours after this broke?

well ?

fitty

Honeyslut 12-10-2003 12:45 AM

http://www.biglous.com/

stevecore 12-10-2003 01:22 AM

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Originally posted by biglou
Like a lot of you, I?m still smarting from my experience with an ex-avs that shall remain nameless (I say that because it appears that they do not like to be mentioned publicly, and I intend to give them their wish.)
yeah... i remember you.

iwantchixx 12-10-2003 06:25 AM

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Originally posted by sixpack


I'm sorry, we are doing everything we can to give the lawyers what they need and get answers from them, I don't know what the outcome will be yet or what they want to do yet, I't not been even 24 hours yet.

hey dickhead, I'm still waiting for a call

iwantchixx 12-10-2003 06:26 AM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day
WHY WERE THE STATS LOCKED? :helpme
not only that... but when they unlocked them there is no traffic information anymore. Nice coverup eh

KMR Stitch 12-10-2003 06:44 AM

<h1>Guilty</h1>

Seriously, Those stats can't be fake if he left the wm_id in, thus the acutal webmaster can double check the stats.

Veterans Day 12-10-2003 06:51 AM

HOW ABOUT, WHY WERE THE STATS LOCKED? i cant fuckin scream much louder, all other non-sensical questions answered except that one. Fuck em'

Keev 03-09-2004 11:59 PM

hahahaa

AaronM 03-10-2004 12:06 AM

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Originally posted by biglou
First of all, let me introduce myself to some of you. Many of you know me already, and I hope that my reputation is good.

My name is Gregory Snyder, though I go by the nick of Big Lou, which was taken from an article I wrote in the December 1998 issue of National Lampoon. I am 41 years old and I am a writer, obscure character actor, singer/songwriter, Shakespearean scholar, former and sometimes teacher, and a Goodwill Ambassador for Japan (no kidding ? I have the medal and scroll to prove it.) Since September of 1997, I have also been someone who makes a living in the adult entertainment business. If you know me at all, it?s from my days selling memberships to avs services and as half-partner in the adult content business Hottiez, in which I recently ended my partnership to start Big Lou?s Adult Photography Service.

Because I do not believe in flame wars, I am going to make my post and let it stand. If any of you have opinions on the subject, feel free to send a polite email to biglousapsATaolDOTcom.
It is with great apprehension that I have seen the arrest, trial and conviction of PIBcash on this board. The evidence we have been presented is tenuous, at best. A novice could manipulate the screen caps that were shown to say anything that they wanted. However, we are not dealing with novices. We are industry professionals (I am using that term loosely after reading some of your posts) with an extensive knowledge of graphics, and there are very few of us who could not have produced the same result (if not better.) As far as having the domain of shavecash.com come from the state of Arizona, give me an hour and I can set up a domain that says its owner lives anywhere in the world. This is another trick any of us can do, and not a very good one.

You also accepted the facts without considering the source: a disgruntled employee, who has accused PIBcash of shaving. Upon first learning that this was someone that had not only been associated with the company, but had made attempts to blackmail them, I took a deep breath and shook my head. Something was just not right about this source. I am amazed that more of you didn?t have the same reaction (or maybe you did, but chose to stay in the silent majority.)

Many of you wondered why it took PIBcash so long to respond. Unlike you, PIBcash is a company with a lot to lose; they can?t just fly off the handle in an unprofessional manner when they are flamed on a webmaster board. I discovered this a long time ago when I started my content business, and was no longer just another avs webmaster. Many of you have the luxury of being able to say what you want, when you want, be it right or wrong. A company the size of PIBcash, or even Big Lou?s, does not have this luxury. They have to be very careful when defending themselves.

The parties I am most alarmed with are those people who posted flaming messages, while featuring the logo of a rival webmaster program beneath their text. These are hardly unbiased opinions in this discussion, and those who have their own webmaster affiliate programs should be very prescient of the fact that they might someday have a disgruntled employee leveling similar accusations with even thinner evidence. Perhaps they think that bringing one program down will help theirs, but that?s an awful way to do business and those posters should be ashamed.

I am not a disinterested party in this matter; I am working on a business venture with PIBcash, and at this point, the contracts have not yet been signed, the deal is not yet final. That being said, I am satisfied with the explanation given by Tom (SixPack.) It makes a lot more sense that anything else that has been posted on this board. I do not make this judgement lightly. Like a lot of you, I?m still smarting from my experience with an ex-avs that shall remain nameless (I say that because it appears that they do not like to be mentioned publicly, and I intend to give them their wish.) Because of the time, effort and financial resources that I will have to devote to my dealings with PIBcash, I think that I can say with great certainty that I have more to lose than any of you. I still intend to sell for PIBcash on my galleries and I am not at all deterred in my other dealings with the company. Some of you may consider me naive, but I?m not the one who has accepted a series of screen caps as hard evidence.

As for those of you who have convicted PIBcash in the court of public opinion, I would only ask that you monitor Porn Posse?s audit of PIBcash, then be so ardent in your opinion when the facts are known.

Big Lou


Damn...This is the first time I have seen this thread. How in the hell did I miss this line of horseshit?

Hey Lou....Are those contracts signed yet? :1orglaugh

4Pics 03-10-2004 12:08 AM

so sad, wave pibcash

AaronM 03-10-2004 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by liquidmoe
here is a question, if it is all lies of a disgruntled ex-employee are you going to be pursuing any legal action against them for libel or defamation? Because then you would need to prove in a court of law that in fact no shaving occured, and if all of this is just made up evidence you should be able to do that, clear your reputation, and send a message that blackmailing, lying, and otherwise deceitful actions lead to unwelcome consequences. Otherwise this just seems like more hot air.


hehehehehe

BINGO!

Doctor Dre 03-10-2004 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by MetaMan
your post is to long, thus i must say they are GUILTY!

:1orglaugh

What I was gonna write .

iwantchixx 03-10-2004 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by biglou
I hope that my reputation is good.



Not any more.


Quote:

Originally posted by biglou
As for those of you who have convicted PIBcash in the court of public opinion, I would only ask that you monitor Porn Posse?s audit of PIBcash, then be so ardent in your opinion when the facts are known.
I've seen it first hand. My traffic numbers can prove it too. You are working with a skilled bunch of....


SCAMMERS.


Go play in the freeway and don't let the cock in your mouth choke you on the way out,

SongRider 03-10-2004 10:56 PM

PIB cant sue ANYONE because they are GUILTY AS CHARGED!!!

And Tam wasnt or isnt a dingruntled Ex-employee..... She was a happy bitch to get away from it once she found out that Rodney and Tom were fucking con artists.....

As for how valid those screenshots are... 100% REAL and they KNOW this..... THATS why they cant be suing anyone because if they try they will hang there OWN asses not only with the webmasters but in a criminal court as well.....

Rodney is doing the EXACT same shit he has done before.... after he fucked over KILLIAH he brought Tam in.... a GOOD front peoron that people trust..... After fucking Tam over he tried to put Tom out front but as you all know that dumb fucker couldnt front jack shit.... so now its Biglou.....

Rodney is in more trouble than he even knows about... hes drawing at straws..... the ONLY reason THIS thread was even started is because Aaron blew his NEW shit out of the water the other night....

His ship is sunk and if his people decide to go down with him... so be it.....
:thumbsup

iwantchixx 03-10-2004 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by SongRider
PIB cant sue ANYONE because they are GUILTY AS CHARGED!!!

And Tam wasnt or isnt a dingruntled Ex-employee..... She was a happy bitch to get away from it once she found out that Rodney and Tom were fucking con artists.....

As for how valid those screenshots are... 100% REAL and they KNOW this..... THATS why they cant be suing anyone because if they try they will hang there OWN asses not only with the webmasters but in a criminal court as well.....

Rodney is doing the EXACT same shit he has done before.... after he fucked over KILLIAH he brought Tam in.... a GOOD front peoron that people trust..... After fucking Tam over he tried to put Tom out front but as you all know that dumb fucker couldnt front jack shit.... so now its Biglou.....

Rodney is in more trouble than he even knows about... hes drawing at straws..... the ONLY reason THIS thread was even started is because Aaron blew his NEW shit out of the water the other night....

His ship is sunk and if his people decide to go down with him... so be it.....
:thumbsup


:glugglug

integrated 03-10-2004 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by Armed & Hammered
Only those that are incredibly dumb believe the whole PIB shaving thing. I know it's bullshit. Other real webmasters know it's bullshit. The only ones that believe it are newbies who couldn't send a join a month so their opinions are worthless. Rock on PIBcash...rock on.
well well

Tam 03-10-2004 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by KMR Stitch
<h1>Guilty</h1>

Seriously, Those stats can't be fake if he left the wm_id in, thus the acutal webmaster can double check the stats.

FINALLY someone with half a damn braini n this. LMAO

I am with Jimmy3way, I am hoping I do get papers filed on me because I KNOW FOR A FACT they are real and there is more where that came from........ and you wanna know what? RODNEY CONNOR KNOWS I HAVE THIS INFO BECAUSE I ASKED HIS FUCKING PERMISSION BEFORE I GOT THIS INFO!!! He didn't have the time to figure out what my sites had made so I asked could I print all this off so that I could figure it up for him because I needed my money.. THAT was on September 4th, and TRUST me, I didn't know I was being fired then, so WHY in god's name would I get info to hurt him with when I was under the impression I was in a good place in my job?

and biglou....... ummm..... it is MY understanding and you are free to correct me if I am wrong, but I am under the impression you have never even SPOKEN to Rodney Connor, so how on earth would you know anything?

PLEASE, Tom, by ALLLLLLLL means, please sue me, because this will just PROVE anything and everything going on here, and then YOU will be out of a job and I'll sue YOUR ass as well as his for defamation and so many more things.... so you preach on brother, but you better have your facts straight before you open a lawsuit on your buddy over there, TRUST me, you will ALL beout of jobs and not one of you will have a snowballs chance in hell of ever getting out of THAT mess. I WANT you to open a lawsuit on jimmy3way, me and whoever else you think wronged you, THAT would just make my day......... and validate everything ever said about you ALL over there.

Go play boys, but have all your eggs right in the right baskets before you do....... because it WILL NOT be good for you when you do. You can't speak of any legal issues because you don't have a leg to stand on and neither does anyone else in that company. :thumbsup

Just for the record? I DO have all the books, from the day I started to the day I left, and they are in a very safe place... AND I had permission to have them and have proof of this as well.. so play boys, play all you like. :winkwink:

kronic 03-10-2004 11:40 PM

Nice bump Keev.

:thumbsup

Must have been bored?

biglou 03-11-2004 08:01 AM

Anyway we can just delete this thread?

Tam, as stated before, this post was meant to give people an objective view. I probably shouldn't have titled it PIBcash support, but nobody's perfect.

I didn't attack you directly until I made the Martha Stewart comment, and I confess that this was a bit harsh, but it was a good punch line. I apologize for making the comment without knowing the person I was talking about, that was unethical of me. For the record, I still don't support the extortion attempts made by jimmy3way that started the saga.

As an update, AaronM and I have made peace, I'm confident Tam and I can do the same; as for keev, let's fight this out in another thread. I'm ready for you, gigantor.

candyflip 03-11-2004 08:10 AM

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Originally posted by biglou
Anyway we can just delete this thread?

That's not how things work here. You pick your bed. You made the bed. Now you have to sleep in it.

Good Luck :1orglaugh

jimmyf 03-11-2004 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by TheSenator
I'll just make sure to stay away from PIBCASH and anyone who licks the dingleberries off their assholes.
you said it... and I agree.:thumbsup


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