MCSE is a fraud!!!! - GoFuckYourself.com

S4ND3MAN · 01-16-2001, 12:09 AM

I am currently studying for the Microsoft Certified Systems Engineers 2000 track. I am currently an MCP and passed my professional exam. I took my server exam and failed but went on some braindump sites and found out that someone posted every single question and answer word for word that was on the test. the dilema that i had was that i reviewed all the answers to the test and matched up the answers that i put down. When i did i found out that over 40 percent of the questions on the test were wrong and verified the answers with a number of MCT instructors. I was also told by those instructors that the tests were meant to make people fail because Microsoft only wants a handful of the population to be able to administer their operating system's. When people tell you that the MCSE certificate is garbage that's absolutely true, because when some people without any job experience that have a "paper mcse" go out and finally obtain a job they lose they're job so quickly because the foundation of their testing had false answers to the questions. I still care to learn to use the operating system for my own personal goals. I guess what i'm trying to say is if microsoft feels as if they're operating system is so easy to learn that they have to trick people into failing they're certification tests then should i even bother taking the tests or should i just get a job and learn from experience, or should i pass the tests to "ensure my stability with a job" and just forget all that i prepared for on those tests? Any Network Admins out there, I need to be enlightend please!!!!!

pipeking · 12-11-2003, 09:39 AM

Bump. ;)

Spudstr · 12-11-2003, 09:44 AM

all honestly if i had a MCSE guy and a non-mcse guy apply for a job.. whoever can get the work done gets the job. not to be an ass but any joe smoe can read some books and take a test

those fucking NO COMPUTER EXPERIANCE REQUIRED!! GET YOUR MCSE bullshit always pisses me off... flood the industry with idiots.

Juicy D. Links · 12-11-2003, 09:45 AM

I love the tests , i sale alot of those cert books long live the certs

sexyclicks · 12-11-2003, 09:46 AM

I have the MCSE too and its useless - it just looks cool hanging on my wall

JFPdude · 12-11-2003, 09:49 AM

I have the certs they are useless.

The only people that have ever seen my certs is me and my wife. I have never been out of work though because it's the expierience that counts.

frippeno · 12-11-2003, 09:49 AM

Certs don't hurt but seriously - anyone who thinks they are going to *learn* network administration by getting a cert - well nobody wants to hire those people because chances are in the real world they won't be able to hack it.

If you are a real computer guy, go get a job. Eat a shit paycheck for a while and learn. If you are good you willl find the money.

loverboy · 12-11-2003, 09:58 AM

MCSE sucks, by the time your done with your exams,
Mircrosoft releases a new OS. i once prepared for an
MSCE 2K Server exam, but lost interest since what
counts most in the industry is years of hands-on experience
even without a sheet of certification.

tony286 · 12-11-2003, 09:59 AM

I once sat thru a seminar about getting your mcse and the guy was truthful. That if you have no experience, he recommended getting a nonpaid internship somewhere to get hands on experience because if you didnt it wasnt worth much. You can see most of the people there didnt want to hear this lol.

JDog · 12-11-2003, 10:01 AM

Why are you taking MICROSOFT, I would never get a MS cert. Waste of money, cause, I would never take a job that use's and MS products for hosting or email!

jDoG

chowda · 12-11-2003, 01:43 PM

go for the .net

01-16-2001, 12:09 AM	#1
S4ND3MAN Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: somewhere Posts: 1	MCSE is a fraud!!!! I am currently studying for the Microsoft Certified Systems Engineers 2000 track. I am currently an MCP and passed my professional exam. I took my server exam and failed but went on some braindump sites and found out that someone posted every single question and answer word for word that was on the test. the dilema that i had was that i reviewed all the answers to the test and matched up the answers that i put down. When i did i found out that over 40 percent of the questions on the test were wrong and verified the answers with a number of MCT instructors. I was also told by those instructors that the tests were meant to make people fail because Microsoft only wants a handful of the population to be able to administer their operating system's. When people tell you that the MCSE certificate is garbage that's absolutely true, because when some people without any job experience that have a "paper mcse" go out and finally obtain a job they lose they're job so quickly because the foundation of their testing had false answers to the questions. I still care to learn to use the operating system for my own personal goals. I guess what i'm trying to say is if microsoft feels as if they're operating system is so easy to learn that they have to trick people into failing they're certification tests then should i even bother taking the tests or should i just get a job and learn from experience, or should i pass the tests to "ensure my stability with a job" and just forget all that i prepared for on those tests? Any Network Admins out there, I need to be enlightend please!!!!!

12-11-2003, 09:44 AM	#3
Spudstr Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In a Tater Patch Posts: 2,321	all honestly if i had a MCSE guy and a non-mcse guy apply for a job.. whoever can get the work done gets the job. not to be an ass but any joe smoe can read some books and take a test those fucking NO COMPUTER EXPERIANCE REQUIRED!! GET YOUR MCSE bullshit always pisses me off... flood the industry with idiots. __________________ Managed Hosting - Colocation - Network Services Yellow Fiber Networks icq: 19876563

12-11-2003, 09:49 AM	#7
frippeno Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Addison, TX Posts: 133	Certs don't hurt but seriously - anyone who thinks they are going to learn network administration by getting a cert - well nobody wants to hire those people because chances are in the real world they won't be able to hack it. If you are a real computer guy, go get a job. Eat a shit paycheck for a while and learn. If you are good you willl find the money. __________________ it only took one brick to make that window drop

12-11-2003, 10:01 AM	#10
JDog Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canby, OR Posts: 7,453	Why are you taking MICROSOFT, I would never get a MS cert. Waste of money, cause, I would never take a job that use's and MS products for hosting or email! jDoG __________________ NSCash now powering ReelProfits.com ALSO FEATURING: NSCash.com :: SoloDollars.com :: ReelProfits.com :: BiminiBucks.com :: VOD PROGRAMS COMING SOON: Greedy Bucks :: Vengeance Cash NOW OFFERING OVER 60 SITES CONTACT :: JAMES SMITH :: CHIEF TECHNOLOGY OFFICER :: ICQ (711385133)

12-11-2003, 01:43 PM	#11
chowda Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gooch city Posts: 9,527	go for the .net __________________ Someone finds you... 2007 PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.

12-11-2003, 09:39 AM	#2
pipeking So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 121	Bump. ;)

12-11-2003, 09:45 AM	#4
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	I love the tests , i sale alot of those cert books long live the certs

12-11-2003, 09:46 AM	#5
sexyclicks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: c9media.com Posts: 3,240	I have the MCSE too and its useless - it just looks cool hanging on my wall

12-11-2003, 09:49 AM	#6
JFPdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mountains of Western North Carolina. Posts: 4,027	I have the certs they are useless. The only people that have ever seen my certs is me and my wife. I have never been out of work though because it's the expierience that counts.

12-11-2003, 09:58 AM	#8
loverboy When it rains, it pours Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 20,609	MCSE sucks, by the time your done with your exams, Mircrosoft releases a new OS. i once prepared for an MSCE 2K Server exam, but lost interest since what counts most in the industry is years of hands-on experience even without a sheet of certification.

12-11-2003, 09:59 AM	#9
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I once sat thru a seminar about getting your mcse and the guy was truthful. That if you have no experience, he recommended getting a nonpaid internship somewhere to get hands on experience because if you didnt it wasnt worth much. You can see most of the people there didnt want to hear this lol.