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Liberal is a comparative word. Remember, today's conservative was yesterday's liberal.

yeah you love this country so much you left it.

Democrats generally encourage vigorous and open debate, as does the mainstream media the conservatives like to brand as 'socialist'.

Is it the Democrats who call everyone who disagrees with them on foreign policy a coward and a traitor? Is it a Democratic administration who warned everyone to 'Watch what you say..'? Is it a Democratic administration who rammed the Patriot Act down everyone's throat and tried to turn neighbor against neighbor for their own political gain?

IS IT the Democrats who have a TV network and several major newspapers entirely in their pocket?

THINK about what you say and what you believe. You couldn't BE more misinformed if you made it your mission.

But still you post nop thought process. Just that liuberal are bad people too.

So if you live in the Carribean and your money is in the US why should you cae if asssaaaahhoorrotttth puts innocent people in jail is that what your thinking?

Tell me what you thinking is good about being a conservative in the industry your in? I am not calling you a bad name or anything dont change the subject by asking me why I am whi I am.

Just say why its ok to even think about re-electing bush in the industry your in?

Hmmm, do you have the right party? I would seriously rethink who are the fear mongers and race baiters.

Who was it that put out the commercials blaming Bush for chaining that guy behind his truck in Texas?

-- does the name Willie Horton ring a bell? And I've never seen or heard of this commercial you're referring to.

---dd - I was born and raised in Massachusetts, Willie Horton and the countless other people (of all races) who were slapped on the hands for massive felonies should have been exposed. Michael Dukakis was shit ball that destroyed my home state and would have done the same to the entire nation!

Who is it every election that tells the senior citizens the 'Social Security Trust Fund' will be taken from them?

-- It will. Republicans are constantly trying to divert money from SS into other programs. This is fact, read a newspaper. Why do you think Gore was going on and on about a lockbox during his campaign.

---dd - Who just gave the biggest handout to Seniors of all time! Who continues to push through social program after social program that continues to balloon the budgets (trick question - both parties)

Who is it every election that says the mean old GOP is going to take your welfare checks?

-- They are. They want to kill all entitlement programs.

--dd - Which president pushed through the most sweeping welfare reform in history. (hint- Bill Clinton)

Who is it every election that says the GOP is going to stop illegal immigration?

-- They try. Don't you remember Buchanan and his big fence?

--dd - Sure do. Did he win and is he the only one to discuss these issues?

Now on another issue, since you brought up Nixon, I will bring up LBJ, and was he any better than Nixon?

-- tons better on every issue besides Vietnam.

--dd - Oh really, why don't you reopen your history book.

Who was the first president to saturate his cabinet with non-whites?

-- Uncle Toms are worse than racists.

--dd - Why is it when I give you valid statements you insult people simply because they do not fit the sterotypical role, you feel all blacks should be put into?

so now that you've been shown that Repubs are in fact behind all these initiatives you abhor, I suppose you'll vote Democrat in the next election right? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

no. Like I said, people that choose to be conservatives do it for reasons that have nothing to do with the actual state of the Union. It's a much more personal and disturbed thing. Especially conservative pornographers.

--dd - You are still falling for the game, my friend. Wake up.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dig420
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yeah you love this country so much you left it.

-- Correct. Did I ever say my political affiliation or did you just assume I was a conservative?

Democrats generally encourage vigorous and open debate, as does the mainstream media the conservatives like to brand as 'socialist'.

-- Hahaha, are you serious?

Is it the Democrats who call everyone who disagrees with them on foreign policy a coward and a traitor?
--Because the democrats HAVE NO foreign policy!

Is it a Democratic administration who rammed the Patriot Act down everyone's throat and tried to turn neighbor against neighbor for their own political gain?
--No that was the Republicans who rammed it down the throat of spineless democrats who were afraid to fight.


IS IT the Democrats who have a TV network and several major newspapers entirely in their pocket?
--- Yes, they do. CNN, ABC, CBS, PBS, etc. This was a bad question. liberals have controlled the media for a long long long time.

I live in the Caribbean and in the US, in one of the only free(er)states left in the Union, Florida. You are falling for the scare tactics, that are used too often by people to make you vote for their trumped up 'party'.

Both the Democrats and Republicans have long histories of squashing free speech. You are not safe by voting for either party. To think otherwise is only telling yourself sweet nothings so you can sleep easy at night.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by davidd
[B]No, they don't. Not even faintly close and there have been dozens of studies that have totally refuted the 'liberal media' myth. It's nothing but a talking point put out by the Republicans and echoed on Fox et al until it became a story to cover. Just like the 'litigation explosion' is an issue crafted by insurance companies and propagated by their lapdogs in the Republican Party then swallowed by impressionable young men such as yourself.

How's it feel to be propgandized?

Here here!:thumbsup

Both the Democrats and Republicans have long histories of squashing free speech. You are not safe by voting for either party. To think otherwise is only telling yourself sweet nothings so you can sleep easy at night.
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oh right.. so the dems and repubs have an equal number of book burners in the party?

I don't think so, and you KNOW it's not so. Rather than just trying to defend positions you KNOW to be incorrect, just consider switching your allegiance. You'll feel better about it in the long run.

it's less stressful.

All you need to do is watch any of the above networks, including Fox News, and you instantly see which direction they are leaning.

As for the impressionable young men, do you have any idea who I am, my age, or anything about my background? I find it strange you ignored all of my other points, focused on the one that in your mind was not true, and then threw an insult out at the end.

Again, as I said above, you still have no clue of my affiliation. I just find it extremely easy to bait Liberals as they are the easiest to disturb their 'belief system'.

Again, each post you slowly stop answering each and every comment I prove my point on and start focusing on the tiny little morsels you think you are correct on.

And again, with the above comment you are getting all defensive as your belief system is slowly taken away from you.

No party, that is currently in control, is going to defend the nasty little pornographers. Nor is it a logical decision to base a vote for a party on one issue. This is equivalent to NRA members blindly voting for whoever the NRA says to vote for. You are clearly basing your vote on the "Who's looking out for the pornographer party". Which sadly, does not exist.

again, just totally wrong, and you just don't give a shit. I defy anyone without a planted preconceived notion to watch CNN, NBC etc and try to determine their 'political affiliation' - which they just don't have.

You can't say that about FOX or the Wall Street Journal.

That's just the modus operandi for Repubs though. They start think tanks whose sole job is to produce data to match already made Republican assumptions, and they shriek about their 'data' not getting equal weight with University studies. They recall an elected governor on the strength of a campaign that everyone knows is funded by a conservative billionaire interested in the office for himself (and wasn't it nice to watch Darrell Issa cry!).

They orchestrate a HUGE campaign to impeach a sitting president with Ken Starr and claim he's impartial, they use crazy claims from Scaife funded organizations and treat them like they've been researched with due diligence. They LIE about damn near everything they do, and they're moral hypocrites to boot. Like Gingrich leading the family values charge while he's fucking his secretary and trying to force his wife to sign a divorce while she's on her deathbed. They wrap themselves in the American flag while they're trying to force thru the most un-American legislation since the McCarthy era.

Slimy people, man.. just repugnant specimens of humanity. If you believe anything they have to say to you, you deserve what they're going to give you, which is a jail cell.

Just tell me, flat out and directly, that you honestly believe there are an equal number of book burners and would be censors of public 'morality' in both parties. Just say it, so we'll know how low you're willing to go to defend your party.

And again, with the above comment you are getting all defensive as your belief system is slowly taken away from you.
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oh yes, you're just crushing me with your 'logic'.

Tell me: Are you a Master Blogger too?

Wow, I really have raped your belief system. I am sorry man, you will come to thank me later on.

Many issues you bring up, all slightly distorted, but lets clear them up.

Do you honestly feel CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, and PBS are not slanted heavily towards the liberal view point? I don't have television on the island, so I can't turn it on right now. I would defer to anyone else reading this to turn on the evening news programs and just clearly watch the news and how things are spun in either direction. You also decided to insert a newspaper (WSJ) and remove PBS. Lets keep the list clear:

Liberal: CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, New York Times.
Conservative: Fox News, WSJ.

How can there be a conservative agenda, but there absolutely be no Liberal agenda. You acknowledge (agree with me) on Fox News, but yet you find it unimaginable there could be a liberal bias. Strange.

You go on to rant about them trying to impeach a sitting president. Is there something wrong with trying to impeach a president? He violated the law, on numerous occaisions, and I personally feel he should have been shot for selling this country out to the Chinese. You reap what you so, it is slimy fucks like him and his wife who sold this country out. Treason.

As for the slimy people comment, I am assuming you meant the Clintons. I agree with you on that (see above paragraph).

I never actually counted. I guess it depends on which book is being burnt, don't you think?

That is the problem with both parties, and obviously with your reasoning, there has to be a difference between who gets what freedoms and who doesn't.

Should be blind justice/equal rights, something Democrats and Republicans forgot a long time ago.

yeah, except he didn't sell out to the Chinese. It was a PR campaign from the Repubs. Sucker.

Liberal: CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, New York Times.
Conservative: Fox News, WSJ.

ummm why don't you just come out and say it? Everybody is liberal except for Fox News and WSJ. They're ALLLL against you and it's a giant conspiracy.

And Bill Clinton was the greatest president of our lifetime, just deal with it.

So Bill Clinton didn't authorize and approve the sale of super computers, for weapons design, to the China? That previously had massive export restrictions. Is this not true, please correct me.

I did not list every other network, did I? Last I checked, I have 200 channels. You are spinning, didn't you say previously that democrats liked debate? How come each time I post legitimate issues, you try to demonize me. Now that is typical of liberals.

To a conservative, anyone who disagrees is a traitor and/or trying to demonize them. I love it when these rugged individualists start squealing.

Clinton was conducting something called 'Foreign Affairs'. It's easier to do this when you can name the leaders of foreign nations, so you probably don't hear much about this if you're a Republican watching Fox. It's something Nixon engaged in occasionally.

Also something you don't hear about on Fox: We're now an international pariah, feared and loathed the world over. Thanks to the expert diplomacy of our current administration.

why is it conservatives manage to talk about Bill Clinton no matter what the question is? You're aware that he served his two terms and is no longer the POTUS, right?

You say 'Foreign Affairs' I say treason. Again, and again, I answer your trivial jabs with facts and you resort to insults.

I proved my case 3 or 4 posts ago., and at this point you continue to defend the un defendable.

For someone so pathetically brainwashed, you come off a bit on the haughty side.

words like Treason, Traitor, Coward and other epithets you geniuses like to throw around so casually have a meaning. Don't trivialize them by using them as cusswords against everyone who says something you don't understand or don't like, which is probably every multisyllabic word anyone ever utters to a conservative.

You are the one who brought up Bill Clinton. Review your posts where you brought up the needless rant of the mean old Republicans looking to impeach him. Get your facts in line.

Why is it Liberals find it necessary to always insert him? Is he the only thing you have to offer?

Again, you are labeling me. How can you tolerate sterotyping people?

I am not haughty, I am stating the facts, he commited treasonous acts that should have been punished with death. I do not care which party you are affiliated with, anything done to hurt this country should be treated as such, treason. You should lose your life for it.

I use the word treason only for those who deserve it. It is punishable by death and should be treated with the greatest of respect.

Unlike you, who chooses to label people with your petty little party affiliations. I believe in what the founding fathers envisioned, clearly not what we have today. This country has been slutted to the higest bidder, by both parties!

You, sir, are a wacko.

12Clicks, now see what you started!! LOL!

I dont quite understand how you can defend this statement:

"Both the Democrats and Republicans have long histories of squashing free speech. You are not safe by voting for either party. To think otherwise is only telling yourself sweet nothings so you can sleep easy at night."

During the Clinton Administration how much money was spent on combating Porn?

Was Janet Reno known for being a hard ass when it came to porn?

What affiliation to porn does our att gen have now toward porn and do you know how much (during war time no less) He has spent on the pursuit?

And if you answer honestly to these question you can bold face sit there and say this is all about scare tactics? And no one is better for my livelihood then the other?

Last question who does the christian right want in office? And is there a reason?

Support your claims dont just cop out.

Instead of asking me questions, why don't you form your questions in the form of comments or answers.

While you are doing this, to conform to the previously used format of the entire thread.

Your questions are already leaving me with extremely easy responses. As if you look at my original comment (that you quoted), you will have your answer.

How you can include Janet Reno in any conversation regarding constitutional rights is beyond me.

I am truly not talking about which party is better I am talking plain and simple who is gonna fuck me less.

How can you say there is no reason to vote the either way. Given the history of the last 2 presidents. And the current religious right.

There is a clear reason to vote democrat whether you like them or not to save your business let alone your freedom.

Amd your answer is a complete cop out and you know it:(

Not at all, I simply do not know the answer, and since you asked the questions it is only right that you do the research and present the facts.

I would venture to say, neither the Bush administration nor the Clinton administration have/had spent little or no money.

Janet Reno was a motherfucker who also should have been killed. Did you notice she was very careful about where she went in Florida while she attempted to run for governor? Again, never include her in a conversation on constitutional rights, she was responsible for the death of a lot of people all in the name of keeping people 'safe'. Big government in action, Democrat style.

The whole porn thing about which president is gong to fuck me less, is the entire problem! As an American, why should you be consumed with this fear? Why? What laws are you breaking? If you are breaking no laws, why should you be relegated to living in fear of the boogie men? Was this was was envisioned at the signing of the Constitution?

Do not force the above paragraph into a political rant, the whole point of this thread is to demonstrate to people where this Union is going massively wrong. Both parties are responsible for bulking up the centralized power of Washington DC, but the Democrats whole premise is exactly that! Government knows best. Unfortunately the Republicans have picked up the mantra and have also started to run this place like a facist regime.

Well your right about the first budget Clinton put 0$ into the fight of obscenity laws but actualy put 145 million to combat CP

While currently we now spend 70 million on prosecuting obscenity cases and less then 40 million on CP (he says its tied together)

And he got the money from cutting the homeland defense fund.

Do you think there is a difference there?

But I have to totally agree that neither party are doing what needs to be done:)

Although I suspect our idealogies would agree no further there.

And technically speaking PBS is a MAJOR liberal media source. But with ABC a case can be made to slanting the conservative side.

And CNN is quickly moving as Fox's ratings go up and NBC is firmly in the right just not as sensationlaist as fox.

I would put the tally more at dead even. The liberal press truly is no more. But an unbiased news group is not to be found anymore, on American soil at least.

And I am sure you have a lawyer go through the loop holes in the 2257 regulation havent they?

There is no definitive right and wrong even though we all go by standard practice thinking of someone who robes a peice of art so the boobies dont show on TV makes me a little worries that is opinion is quite different then popular practice.

Well your right about the first budget Clinton put 0$ into the fight of obscenity laws but actualy put 145 million to combat CP

While currently we now spend 70 million on prosecuting obscenity cases and less then 40 million on CP (he says its tied together)

And he got the money from cutting the homeland defense fund.

Do you think there is a difference there?

--> There is a difference, but marginally. The dollars are minimal, and the actual fight is against Child Porn, and obvious obscene material. Do not confuse the two. Even during Reagan's tirade, the majority of people where prosecuted for tax evasion or other trumped up charges, as obscenity is getting harder and harder to convict on (except in obvious cases). Community standards have fallen hardcore. If you are promoting beast, kiddie porn, hardcore rape, fisting, scat... I would fear the boogie man, you are breaking the current laws.

--> Additionally, everyone has motives! I find all of these 'law firms' touting this fear mongering are financially motivated. The US news thrives on fear, everything in the US thrives on fear. I learned a while ago, if you go through life with all of this needless fear, it is time to move!

But I have to totally agree that neither party are doing what needs to be done:)

Although I suspect our idealogies would agree no further there.

And technically speaking PBS is a MAJOR liberal media source. But with ABC a case can be made to slanting the conservative side.

--> Thank you.

And CNN is quickly moving as Fox's ratings go up and NBC is firmly in the right just not as sensationlaist as fox.

--> Before that though they saw the money in throwing up the liberal flag, WORLDWIDE.

I would put the tally more at dead even. The liberal press truly is no more. But an unbiased news group is not to be found anymore, on American soil at least.

--> Agreed, that is why I rarely watch TV in the US or pick up a newspaper.

See we do agree on most issues :)

This again is more boogie man scenarios. The paranoia inflicted by the legal industry should be a crime. Always look at someone's motivation for imposing fear on you. The media does it all the time, the government does it all the time, it is a natural part of our society. Fear. Everywhere I go in the US I am confronted with fear. It is simply not that way in other parts of the world. You do not see how deep rooted it is until you step away from it.

If you know anything about the federal system it is all about conviction rate and forfeiture success. They want the high conviction rate (sure thing cases) and they almost always want to take all of your possessions. So are you an easy case? Are you flaunting your wares on TV, are you pushing the government? Do you have a large amassed fortune that would appeal to the government? Are you pushing the envelop of acceptable content? Do you live in a state that does not protect its citizens (most don't - the good ones will make it impossible for the government to screw with your assets).

These are all questions you should ask yourself.

From my experience, in the past, with dealing with the average adult website owner they are consumed with this passion that the 'man' is right around the corner. Additionally, all of them feel they are hardcore pornographers, which few would even fall into the category of content producer. I am not sure what situation you are in and what you do, but 99.99% of the people I have dealt with were voting democrat and having some bullshit legal team that 'specializes' in the adult market on retainer, needlessly. There isn't anyone in our market that I would entrust my legal defense to. Most of these clowns are washed up has beens who found a way to spin their negetivity into a pay check off of the easy prey. Always remember that your biggest enemy is most likely the state you live in! I would rather go toe to toe with the government than have to deal with some of the facist states.

Fear.

still imagining your dream world needs a rebuttal?
sad.
talk to me after the election. you're so out of touch its a wonder you can funtion in the real world.:1orglaugh

oh, and [leader] I noticed you.
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Did anyone waste their time reading this? I didn't, but let me guess... lame insults, no points, laughing smiley faces. Am I close?

as could be seen by the last presidential election, the popular vote doesn't mean shit.

[leader] did you lose your job at the canadian mcdonalds?
you seem to have a lot of free time on your hands lately.
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