Don't be so hard on PIB cash....

Are you sure ? Prove it !

stfu noob

doesn't matter, they're not dumb enough to get caught

Everyone steals a candy bar from a store at least once in their life too.... and those who get caught get their parents called in.

Just because everyone does it, doesn't mean that it's right to just let them go after they've been caught.

I mean, if they really are shaving up and over 50%, and people just shrug and continue promoting them... then what's to stop every program from doing the same now?

any probs, honey

Most sponsors shave, at least on PPS. Look at the table of the payout vs. the revenue brought in by most of the PPS webmasters. If they truly did payout all they say they do they'd go broke or have to switch to strictly revshare.

its the culmination of whats destroying the industry.

People worried about Bush ruining the industry lol, how bout visa, acacia, outdated business models, garbage member areas, loss of consumer confidence, abundance of free porn, peer to peer networks.

everything SHOULD be strictly revshare it's more honest to all parties involved....


...but unfortunatley the psychology of the n00b webmasters forces the rediculous inflation of payouts...

just search this forum for the many new programs that posted on here they'd pay out 20-25 bucks or revshare and read all the responses that people make and it's obvious to see that NO ONE is going anywhere in the affiliate biz without inflating their payout #s for people...



when will this change?


I predict it will change when a few of the top programs force it on webmasters as a result of either an investigation of fraud, or some awakening and agreement among a few biggies that this MUST be done...



Some of the new processing issues may bring it to a head sooner as well....

(I posted this on the jimmy3way your a cocksucker thread but I thought it would be better suited to be posted here) here it is sorry for the double post, but you affiliates need to wake the f$uck up, it will get to a point to where it destroys the affiliate model completely)

Removing access to previous months stats at the same time this broke is pretty much a sure bet they know what they have done and trying to hide it.

I was up till 1:30 last night reading the thread and it blows my mind that there is so much shaving going on in the adult industry... We have been shutting down bad programs for years for not paying webmasters, mostly main stream accounts but some adult.

What really gets my goat is that some of you actually accept as part of life!?!?! Since when did cheating or stealing become an acceptable policy for affiliate programs.

I started selling affiliate tracking software 6 years ago and we have never made it easy for webmasters to cheat affiliates. I've said I know over a hundred times it that it gives us all a bad name.

From the the posts I was reading last night it was a 25/75 split on who accepted and who did not accept the shaving. 1% is too much for my taste.

The higher payouts in a fierce competition to gain affiliates is what has caused this. The higher the payouts went, the more shaving that needs to be done just to stay in business. Until affiliates wake the f$ck up and see just how much they are being shitted it will keep happening.

I know I'm not going to make any new friends with major sponsors paying enormous payouts but I'm in this for the long run and I will never want to be associated with someone that shits on their affiliates period.

For those of you interested we will be sponsoring the xbiz awards and if you want to party please email me.

Sorry GFY's I don't post here often, actually hadn't posted anywhere in a couple of weeks. (I take that back I posted to one of JFK's post a while back) I actually started this reply two damn hours ago and I'm just getting ready to submit it. It has been something ever damn two minutes this morning. I had to post my two on this though. If something is not done it is going to keeping eroding to the point of no return, that is if we haven't reached it yet.

That's what I've been told by more than one program owner. Besides, anyone with a decent grasp on how stats run can see that fact.

I don't fucking trust any one of them. Not one.

3rd party billing or no sign to promote.

Just that simple.

kinda true words ! Hmmm ... we'll see how many will follow getting 'defaced' ....

Wake the fuck up Affiliate Dorothy, yer not in Kansas any more

It will change when people start supporting the small reshare programs instead saying all sponsors shave like the dumb ass undutchable did in the other thread .

I know I hate being put in the same category as the shavers.

This industry is a fucking joke. People are so gullible and do anything to be in the in crowd with the cool sponsors or to make the quick buck. Hell, they don't even care if their sending people to shit....

THe honest ones are treated like morons and idiots cause they want to offer their customers a fair price, offer affiliates reshare , and then they still get accused of shaving when anyone with half a brain can see if there is a 30 dollar payout on a trial that there is a loss but if another sponsor is offering 60/65 percent of the sign-up there is still money left over.


I have seen people post " well if they were only shaving 15 percent I would not mind but 30 to 50". Gez..

You stole a candy bar?!?!

Yep, kinda sad...

Rev share is fine with me

Something that I've learnt in the two years we've been selling on the net is webmasters will put up with a lot.

How many have actually tested their sponsors to see if they are straight, how many stick with sinking ships when all the signs are clearly seen and how many continue to send traffic to Acacia licensees knowing every $ they raise gets 2 cents sent to fuck them back again?

FunnY business, Swank magazine tried to screw me once and I told them to fuck off. Have not done business with them since.

I have never stolen a candy bar

Revshare - 60% - CCBill.

dont kid yourself folks. a revshare using ccbill can shave you just as easily as someone with thier own stats and a pay per sign up

You may want to post proof with that or just enjoy your warm refreshing cup of STFU

Please elaborate.

i know one pps sponsor that shaves me but i still make more money with them then any revshare program

Wel in that case it must be okay.

I don't steal candy bars either

Its not big, its not clever and they shouldn't be doing it. If they can only afford to pay us out at $40 per sale but need to shave 40% to do so then fuck it. Pay me $25 per sale and DON'T fucking shave at all.

Just coz everyone does it doesn't make it right!!! Its fucking stealing. If you shave you are a thief. You deserve to be treated as a thief.

Thats one big sponsors busted, its only a matter of time before another is caught then some more, evebtually people will wisen up. They might start to be honest and payout to webmasters what they can afford to pay out and still run at a good profit.

Exactly. There are several ways a program owner could shave with CCBill.

Personally, I can't believe the people that brush shaving aside. I'd prefer to go with a PPS program that pays a resonable amount and doesn't have to shave. QuickBuck comes to mind - lower payouts, but I'm sure it's because someone over there actually sat down and did some math.

It's easy to find an url protected by a htacces and to create a false table with a simulation of shaved stats. It's really easy to start hoaxes with subject which concern everybody. And more when it concerns your money. You can only be 100% sure if you're trying to buy a pass yourself. ( you can put a chargeback on it later ).
I don't say PIB cash are clean, I just say that other programs and sponsors couldn't be accused without real proofs.

Amazing how many people have trouble grasping that simple concept. Just about every program can shave you (but it doesn't mean they will - there are honest PPS and revshare out there. The only question is which is which). You're not much more likely to be shaved by revshare or PPS really because it all comes down to one thing - greed. Greedy, dishonest people don't give a fuck which system you use they'll still screw you if they can.

We run a 50/50, using 3rd party biller for the whole shebang, and all rebills are counted for the lifetime of the member... Unless our biller shaves all of us, we sure as fuck don't shave. But I can't count the number of times I see webmasters (many of whom should know better) turn their nose up at revshare because it doesn't have the big, shiny 'impressive' numbers on it.

Rebills are where it's at, baby! Imagine every signup actually counted... What a concept. Maybe all of us revsharers should start a campaign... Like saying "EARN $75 PER MEMBER OR MORE!" Then in smaller print say "(If that member rebills for at least our usual average of 5 months.)"

You gotta prove it. There are trusting sponsers out there. Prove that all sponsers shave!

jDoG

I hope they all get caught, I hate thieves

Let me share a liitle story with you Martin : ))

Ron from CE over paid us something like $14k one pay period. I gave him a call to let him know. ( I'm sure he remembers) I said I would pay him back the amount he over paid us. His response was "No, we made the mistake and for us to keep it."

That went a long way with us and I'll never forget it. I know a few guys over their and I'll tell you they are straight up without going into details. I trust them and our stats have always been consistent with the with regards to ratios and hits. They are top notch in our books.

Really can't say that. PPS, if done right, does not need to shave.

i shave once a week..to keep my manboyish good looks