100 fags :Graucho

Who said that was okay? Stick to the topic at hand. Smokers are a sensitive bunch. Just say, " I know all the risks, I know half of all smokers die before the age of 49. I know second-hand smoke can be a danger to some people, and unpleasant to almost all people. I know and I understand, but I can't quit."

People have respect for that, but this poor me attitude you all have about smoking laws is pretty pathetic

Smokers are pissed off because they have no self-control; Imagine, lacking the ability to say no to your mind and body because of a product. They're like crack addicts eagerly willing to suck a cock with crabs to get their smokes.

Fact is, his bitching can't harm your health.

Smoke of ANY sort does. Second/First/Whatnot. You say it's government propoganda? How do you figure? Doesn't the government earn incredible tax for every cigarette pack sold? Why would they lie contrary to their interests?

All pubs/bars/restaurants/here are required by lay to be non-smoking. I think it's a step forward.

You are obviously a rarity, judging by the smokers on this thread.





On another note, you smokers would love the short story by Steven King called "The Ten O'clock People".... I believe it is in the book "Nightmares & Dreamscapes". Check it out.

I can say no, I just choose not too because I don't care. Im just tired of hearing people complain constantly. it's like people complaining aboput smoking in a humidor (and Ive seen it done) #1 why the fuck are you there if you don't smoke? If I'm there blowing it right in your face then I understand getting bitched at or being asked politely if it's possible for me to go smoke outside I'm ok with that, but to order me, that won't fly. I also noticed that when non smokers bitch about smokers they get cheered on but when smokers retaliate they are wrong, stupid, weak or whatever other names they like to call us. If I don't get bothered then I don't bother others, but if you get in my face and start bitching at me and all that shit don't expect me to say "Ok, I'm sorry" expect the same aimed right back at you. I don't disrespect anyone unless they disrespect me when in reality I did nothing wrong.

Yngwie

yes, yes, and yes.

Well the way i see it, Smoking is MY addiction, why should i pass the possibility of it onto someone else?

There are only a few bars where I live, that allow you to smoke inside, and thousands where you can't. You anti-smoking pussy faggots won this battle.

If you came into such a bar where you can smoke inside and started to bother the smokers you would have a beer bottle smashed over your head.

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Yes, I'm a pussy faggot for wanting some clean fucking air. Get a clue retard. Yap all the tough talk you want, fact is you can smoke yourself into a pair of char-broiled lungs for all I care, just don't try taking anyone with you.

Wanna come blow some smoke in my face? :Graucho

You must be the change you wish to see in the world - Ghandi
So I say to you, stop your own whining and complaining!

So tough! too bad the smoker will probably run out of breath before he even has a chance to swing at the non-smoker.

there is no point in having this discussion with smokers. The morons are already happily inhaling poison, make themselves smell like shit and make their homes smell like shit.. I doubt they will ever care for other people when they dont care about themselves.

Smokers are a plague and bunch of weak fucks who fell for the peer pressure in high school and now they dont have what it takes to quit.

weak pussy bitches :321GFY

Shut the fuck up and go get in your smoke spewing Pinto to get yourself a Big Mac and fries.

Your right smokers are so weakened by their habit they lack the ability to throw a punch.

My point was, the anti-smoking groups have won. Smoking is banned just about everywhere indoors, I don't see the point of a whiny bitch going to one of the few remaining places smoking is allowed and complain.

I'll say it again....what about the rights of the business owner...there is an amendment to the constitution that talks about the right of free association ya' know? You guys are acting like someones resturant is public property....it isn't. It is someone's PRIVATE BUSINESS:2 cents:

how about you cry babies sit in the NON SMOKING SECTION
either that or move to california where its banned already. fucking gov telling me what i can and cant do is very annoying. i fear what may be next

the bottom line is, smoking is just a dumb thing to do. Anyone who smokes is a weakminded, pathetic fool. End of story

yes i think it should be banned,
here in calgary the only places u can smoke is where its all 18+, and has to be a sectioned off bar section if its a restaurant/pub.

i think it should be banned, i have nothing against smoking, but some smokers are over the top.

when i go to the casino and sit at the blackjack table there is always someone chain puffing for hours at a time, not a breath of fresh air, every breath is from a smoke.

i know in winnipeg its banned everywhere, including casinos, bars, everywhere.

i think that is a good step. also they said here in calgary that 10% less of the population smoke now. maybe its cause of the high taxes or maybe kids are smoking more weed these days. but any steps to keep the air around me fresh is a good one.

No doubt!

I live on the Ohio / Kentucky border and many of the public places in northern Kentucky do NOT have a smoking / non-smoking areas and it is just awful. Hillbillies everythwere chain smoking since they were 12... It's a site to see.

Even worse... when you ask to be seated in non-smoking and your table is the last table in non-smoking, which is right by the smoking. I always jump the hostess ass for this, nothing peeves me more. OK, maybe a slow internet connection, but it's a close call.

You must be talking about "Bobby Mackies Bar & Grill" in Kentucky. I think I've heard of this place where red necks smash beer bottles over non-smokers heads for being "faggot pussies" and trying to live a somewhat healthy life.

What many smokers do not realize is that if your smoking within 30 feet of us, it IS in our face. Your senses have been deadened and you do not smell it anymore, but for a non-smoker we can smell it on you and your clothes 30 minutes after your last ciggy. It really does stink that bad.

If I were to fart (one of those nasty wet ones) and stink up the entire room to the point that it almost made you gag, even though I was 20 + feet away, would this not anger you as I did it over and over while you were trying to eat?

We don't want to get in anyones face about it, but smoke travels well beyond your table and right up our nose. This is why it upsets us so much... we can't get away from it.

how about we ban any food that gives you gas, ban all hard drinks because you might smell, lets just fucking ban everything YOU dont like. you want the ban because you dont smoke, simple as that. this isnt on public property. if i own a business and i smoke, it should be MY choice what i allow others to do on MY PROPERTY. customers dont dictate the way a business should be run. dont like it? go some place else. stop trying to change everything to fit you. if you dont want to smell it on me, just leave. :2 cents:

This is a tough issue since it is pitting personal freedom vs personal freedom.

Smokers should have the right to pursue the legal activity of smoking. It is legal and as long as they are of age, so there should be no problem. But non-smokers have the right to not have to have to smell it, inhale it, and generally be exposed to it if I don't want to. Now you have a question of who's rights are more important.

The key issue is that the act of smoking is not a discreet activity. You can have a smoking section in a bar/returant, but as we all know, unless there is some fancy air flow, or physical barriers, the smoke goes where ever it is blown. Furthermore, from personal experience, I really don't appreciate the cloud of smoke that I have to walk through when I am going into or out of the mall. There is always a crowd of people just outside the doors, and it is about impossible to avoid them.

As for bars and smoking... I have no problem with bars being a smoking area. I don't have to go to a bar, and it isn't a family oriented area. If a bar is too smoky, then it is my choice to stay or not. I think this is a good comprimise to having all resturants and public places being smoke free. I also know that there are several bars in the Seattle area that have gone smoke free voluntarily.

As I finish this rant, let me point out that we only still have legalizes tobacco in this country because it is a great monetary tool. On one front, it generates ass loads of tax revenues, and the sales fund a lot of politician's campaigns. Secondly, it is a great "opiate of the masses" The majority of smokers are of mid and lower incomes, it helps keep those groups happy and poor. The rich want to stay rich, and keeping the people with shitty incomes hooked on a drug that costs them thousands of year in direct costs and tens of thousands in indirect costs works fantastically.

In the end all I know is that it doesn't take a real intelligent person to realize that inhaling smoke of any kind, isn't good for your lungs.

Totally agree there...people are acting like a resturant or bar is public property......IT'S A PRIVATE BUSINESS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

agree

Yes, please.

Free market economy 101: If there are many people who wish to go to non-smoking bars/restaurants/whatever, these are economically viable. Nobody is preventing anyone from starting one, nor is anyone preventing non-smokers from only visiting non-smoking bars/restaurants/whatever.
Why take away freedom when you always have the choice to go to a place where there's no smoking?

Aside from that, if smoking is banned in all public places, I insist that cars, factories that produce something I don't use, etc. are also banned. After all, these are severely hurting the environment and therefore me. And, unlike with smoking, I don't have the choice to either go or not go somewhere where I'm effected... because the effects are everywhere.

I suggest we ban complainers from public places , and fat people too.

There are new laws now being proposed and legislated that will address this concern as well. Smokers will have to be away from entrances to public places as well, being 'outside the door' will no longer be an option.



People want to smoke, that's your right to do so, but you are all basically whining about your rights to kill yourselves. As for smokers being "too weak to throw a punch", I disagree with that.... but the point is valid. I once went swimming in a big river with my cousin who smokes. He has been smoking since his early teens. I spotted something orange floating way out in the middle, and suggested we swim out to see what it was. I got out to it and found it to be just an orange bag of some sort.... I turned around to gloat that I had made it to the orange thing first, and what did I see? Murray standing 200 yards away on the dock, having a smoke. When I got back I asked him why he didn't race me out there, and he replied "Dude, I've been smoking for 20 YEARS, I can't fucking swim that far!".... ha ha... and this guy prides himself on being fit.


Think it won't catch up with you? Think again.

ya the no smoking law basically killed my bar business......

I have had to resort to going to AA meetings and offer 2 free drinks to whoever follows me to my bar....

I totally agree that letting the market dictate what businesses do is the right way to go, but I think that the problem with this, is that it constitutes a public health hazzard. The reality is that having market demand rule the day with addictive substances just doesn't work.

I wonder what the tobacco industry would be like if cigarette makers had to deal with life without government subsidies?

If you want to kill yourself go ahead but don't make me breath in that foul shit when i'm drinking with a mate or at dinner with my girl.

Ban it!

Public places like resturants, I could deal with, but fuck if their gonna take my right from smoking outside like some places want to!

jDoG

One point that seems to be missed here:

Smoking in front of a non-smoker is simply RUDE. Forget the health reasons for a second, it simply is uncouth and like the farting thing, not pleasant at all. I'm talking about simple courtesy.

:stoned I mean, urine is sterile, so why not have a peeing area in the pool, it wont harm anyone, right? You drink it, it really might taste bad but its just water, quite harmless at that concentration. And if you pee only in one corner of the pool, it really dissociates quite a bit so you really wont have any pee on you if you swim on the other side... That seems like the weak logic smokers are coming up with here.

Anyways another analogy to get the message across....