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12-08-2003, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

seems sleazydream is going to be reviewed by a pannel of 12 germans from different social organizations like religious groups and teachers. if they don't like the site it will be put in the 'index' - apparently a bad place to be.

I would fight that in the Human Rights Court in Strassbourg, why are these 12 people qualified, especially religieus groups, yeeeeeeeeezzzz, they'd probably make kiddie porn legal, as so many of their members do it, what happened to fucking your maid (catholic priests can't marry, so they have a "maid")?

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12-08-2003, 08:15 PM

51 pissed off Germans

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12-08-2003, 08:41 PM

Someone here's gotta know -- what's a good figurative translation of 'go fuck yourself' into Tcherman?

Sorry to hear it Sleazy, but honestly I don't see what kind of recourse they'd have against you. So you're "indexed". Whoop-dee-fuckin'-doo.

... but I'd sure as hell *not* call your local State Department office (unless you wanna get onto Herr Ashhahahahaha's Christmas card list)... just my

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12-09-2003, 12:44 AM

Sleazy,

I guess someone from Germany will soon post here and give you some details about the German porn legislation - it's early morning here in Europe.

Basically there is no need to panic about the letter you have got. Nearly everything is monitored by this institution (e. g. computer games, movies etc.). Of course they will come to the conclusion your site is 'hardcore porn' which is not illegal in Germany but everyone under the age of 18 must be protected from this content (same in the U.S.). The only difference is that German law is more strict about the 'Age Verification Process' (has nothing to an AVS).

If I were you I would filter german traffic and send it to a special page with a 'german AVS' (I can send you some links) which means german surfers have to enter some digits in their driver license or passport to prove they are over 18.

Another solution would be to send the filtered traffic to a Sleazydream page in german with softcore content (tits, no pussy). For this content you don't need an AVS in Germany. You could use german sponsors on this page. If you have more than 10,000 german visitors per day this most profitable(!!) solution.

If you have any further questions or need some help feel free to email me - my free email address is 'tradermcduck AT yahoo.com'

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12-09-2003, 12:52 AM

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we are still waiting for their explanation of this sonofabitch

They are trying to distract us by sending out these stupid letters...

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12-09-2003, 12:55 AM

you arent german

they can choke on our sweet air of freedom

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12-09-2003, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by brand0n
you arent german

they can choke on our sweet air of freedom

i second the motion

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12-09-2003, 01:09 AM

whoa sux any more news yet?
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12-09-2003, 01:09 AM

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Sleezy,

Actually it isn't an issue where any kid can get a credit card. The German consumer actually has to send in a few forms of ID and payment into a central registry to truely prove that they are 18. The sites then have to check against that registry. So, it is a true Adult Verification System but nothing like the AVS's that we are used to.

It is still very fucked if not more so.

Rick,

you wish this would be the case. If it were, we would be happy, but its not really so simple. Its a whole big gray area which is just slowly being filled in. There is no OFFICIAL government agency out there that runs an AVS, if there were one, it would kick ass. Currently, there are multiple AVS systems out there that all do their own little thing. Just a few months ago a new law came into effect which makes it all a lot stricter. Now AVS systems have to get certified by the government before they can be used, but when they are then using them is good enough for the gov. So thats a good thing I guess.

The requirements for passing the certification are kinda silly though and I am no expert on them so I really do not know a lot about it.

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12-09-2003, 01:15 AM

Ridiculous, ignore it like if it were spam.

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12-09-2003, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by SleazyDream
I go to the mail today and I get a registered letter from the german gov't concerning my site.

says they are the official adminastrative authority of the german gov't.

seems sleazydream is going to be reviewed by a pannel of 12 germans from different social organizations like religious groups and teachers. if they don't like the site it will be put in the 'index' - apparently a bad place to be.

thye go on to say pornographic content is ONLY legal if viewed through an AVS. this is fucking insane.

they go on to say that if/when I'm included in the 'index' I'm prohibited from using teasers, trailers, or other adverising content and subject to criminal prosecution

Hey sleazy. All big US sites got letters from them and are on the index really. I'm amazed you did not get one sooner. PK for example got one like 4 years ago if I remember correctly.

Don't reply to them, no sense anyway. This is about a registry that lists all games/books/movies/web sites which are either only allowed to be viewed at 18 or totally forbidden. If you were in germany you would have to comply to this obviously, but since you are not, don't bother.

You'll be among a bunch of lovely friends there ;) I can not find a list of sites right now.

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12-09-2003, 01:20 AM

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12-09-2003, 01:23 AM

Sleazy, remind them that they lost the war

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12-09-2003, 01:27 AM

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Sleazy, remind them that they lost the war

Yeah, no kidding. Tell the krauts to go fuck themselves.
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12-09-2003, 01:31 AM

Hmmm... Germans... for some sort of reason they keep suprising me every day
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12-09-2003, 01:46 AM

No need to panik, as long you'r NOT German or do Hostt the site in germany or do Operate the site out of Germany.

Yes the German want to have all Behind a AVS, that's why many German AWM's have left or relocated their biz out of Germany.

If the Germans wanted to clean the internet then they would have to switch it off in Germany which will never happen.
I'm wondering if Google and Yahoo did get that letter to LOL

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12-09-2003, 01:54 AM

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12-09-2003, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by tradermcduck
Nearly everything is monitored by this institution (e. g. computer games, movies etc.).

oh, it are those guys, they banned Command & Conquer Generals and Return to Castle Wolfenstein, etc... from the german market.

censorship, kick it out of your country:
Americans: stop censoring tv
Germans: stop censoring games
English: stop censoring movies

we don't really have this over here, that's why my american friends are always surpriced that they show nudity on our normal tv channels

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12-09-2003, 02:17 AM

Germans are just trying to ruin the world.
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12-09-2003, 02:30 AM

Originally posted by TheMaster

oh, it are those guys, they banned Command & Conquer Generals and Return to Castle Wolfenstein, etc... from the german market.

censorship, kick it out of your country:
Americans: stop censoring tv
Germans: stop censoring games
English: stop censoring movies

we don't really have this over here, that's why my american friends are always surpriced that they show nudity on our normal tv channels

Being in the Benelux rules, don't you think?

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12-09-2003, 02:41 AM

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Fisting, pissing, genocide and sauerkraut... you people have a lot to be ashamed of!

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12-09-2003, 02:46 AM

Send them some crazy letter that makes no sense. Tell them that you will be sending the raincoats soon and that so far the molasses has been working great. I do shit like that to telemarketers, it's a blast. Fuck with them for awhile, it's be fun.
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12-09-2003, 02:50 AM

Originally posted by SleazyDream
I go to the mail today and I get a registered letter from the german gov't concerning my site.

says they are the official adminastrative authority of the german gov't.

seems sleazydream is going to be reviewed by a pannel of 12 germans from different social organizations like religious groups and teachers. if they don't like the site it will be put in the 'index' - apparently a bad place to be.

thye go on to say pornographic content is ONLY legal if viewed through an AVS. this is fucking insane.

they go on to say that if/when I'm included in the 'index' I'm prohibited from using teasers, trailers, or other adverising content and subject to criminal prosecution

wake up people - any concerned parent just has to restrict adult content on IE and no more sleazydream. AVS doesn't do this - any kid can get a credit card but it's a lot harder to bypass and adult lock out procected by password if the parents hide the password and the re-boot disks. Demanding AVS might stop sleazydream - but not the 1,000,000,000,000 other porn sites out there and isn't a feasable option.

thoughts on if i should respond to them or just ignore it?

anyone else get a registered letter from these bozos?

No issue here, if your hosting is offshore you should be able to safely ignore these letters, but I'd recommend you looked at the finer points of your internet laws.

We have a similar system in place in Australia, and I've received cease and desists, but if my hosting is offshore, there's no issue.

I beleive there's a guy on GFY who I spoke to when I got mine who ran teen.com.au who was the first to havethe problem..

So i'm sure if you're offshore, no issues ;)

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12-09-2003, 03:08 AM

our situation here in germany is really fucked up and totally
crazy. the new requirements for age verification are absolutely
from another world.

if a user want's to see porn, he has to do the following:

- first, print out a document from the avs company
- now he/she has to go to the next postoffice with a personal id card and the doc
- a person at the post office has to verifify that he/she is the person and that he/she is 18
- a few days later he/she recieves a package from the avs company
- in the package is a USB-Dongle with the ID in it.
- he has to put this USB stick into the computer to access porn

nah? isn't this fucked up?

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12-09-2003, 03:13 AM

we don't really have this over here, that's why my american friends are always surpriced that they show nudity on our normal tv channels

Euhmm not sure what you are talkin about. Scenes at TV1 and VTM are always so that you JUST can't see something... And VT4 yeah well don't call that a TV station please...
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12-09-2003, 03:21 AM

I guess that shall explain why most of my members come from Germany and the US. Germans seem to be huge consumers of porn, is it any wonder with a government who seems to believe that porn is bad?
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12-09-2003, 05:45 AM

Hehe Germans are uptight..... we have unrestricted hardcore porn on Danish television. You don't even have to pay for it

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12-09-2003, 11:49 AM

any news?
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12-09-2003, 12:30 PM

Ohh please fuck this fucking institution. They are so crazy no one can´t belive it.

send them a provocating letter , say you don´t give a fuck about our ( german) laws.

They can´t do nothing. . i would love to send such a mail myself but i´m german and they will fuck me really bad if i do so.
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12-09-2003, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by tradermcduck

If I were you I would filter german traffic and send it to a special page with a 'german AVS' (I can send you some links) which means german surfers have to enter some digits in their driver license or passport to prove they are over 18.

Another solution would be to send the filtered traffic to a Sleazydream page in german with softcore content (tits, no pussy). For this content you don't need an AVS in Germany. You could use german sponsors on this page. If you have more than 10,000 german visitors per day this most profitable(!!) solution.

Wow... that sucks, darling!

I strongly recommend following the advice above. Simply filter the German traffic to something that fits their laws. It's not such a bad idea to do this for all geo-targeted traffic... unless, of course, you really do feel like taking this up with 'em at The hague, which is always an option, but a rather costly one!

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12-09-2003, 12:56 PM

So only the Americans can have their say in how the internet is run?

Germany has its laws - And if your site doesn't abide by them, then Germany can block your site -

Much like most of Asia already does -

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12-09-2003, 01:04 PM

bullshit. our gov could try to block the pages but the isp´s won´t follow their advices.

it would be a bad fault to redirect the german traffic to a avs page. i am german and i am fucking sick of this damn avs.

make a new page with a huge sign " illegal in germany. too hardcore" and send the german traffic there. they will love it and this fucking gov can´t do a shit about it!
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12-09-2003, 01:05 PM

Hey Sleazy....filter out your german traffic and just send it to a DIALER.

Why take the time to create a page for German surfers when monetizing them is difficult enough as it is.

Make some money from them.
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12-09-2003, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by ElvisManson
Hey Sleazy....filter out your german traffic and just send it to a DIALER.

Why take the time to create a page for German surfers when monetizing them is difficult enough as it is.

Make some money from them.

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12-09-2003, 01:15 PM

hmm dialers are not that good for germany these days i thing. everyday there is at least 1 warning in tv or newspaper to be aware of dialers...
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12-09-2003, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by tradermcduck
Sleazy,

I guess someone from Germany will soon post here and give you some details about the German porn legislation - it's early morning here in Europe.

Basically there is no need to panic about the letter you have got. Nearly everything is monitored by this institution (e. g. computer games, movies etc.). Of course they will come to the conclusion your site is 'hardcore porn' which is not illegal in Germany but everyone under the age of 18 must be protected from this content (same in the U.S.). The only difference is that German law is more strict about the 'Age Verification Process' (has nothing to an AVS).

If I were you I would filter german traffic and send it to a special page with a 'german AVS' (I can send you some links) which means german surfers have to enter some digits in their driver license or passport to prove they are over 18.

Another solution would be to send the filtered traffic to a Sleazydream page in german with softcore content (tits, no pussy). For this content you don't need an AVS in Germany. You could use german sponsors on this page. If you have more than 10,000 german visitors per day this most profitable(!!) solution.

If you have any further questions or need some help feel free to email me - my free email address is 'tradermcduck AT yahoo.com'

...and finally, you drop the price of your advertising because german traffic is good $$ traffic for advertisers

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12-09-2003, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by PoP
hmm dialers are not that good for germany these days i thing. everyday there is at least 1 warning in tv or newspaper to be aware of dialers...

like that is going to help.

Euro debit is not a particularly great way to make money from german traffic.

using a good dialer solution is.
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12-09-2003, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by ElvisManson
Hey Sleazy....filter out your german traffic and just send it to a DIALER.

Why take the time to create a page for German surfers when monetizing them is difficult enough as it is.

Make some money from them.

that's not really an option if they block my ip......

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12-09-2003, 01:31 PM

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12-09-2003, 01:31 PM

it´s not only the warnings ... more and more german users get dsl and so aren´t possible sutomers anymore.

and we got a new law. people can refuse to pay a phonebill which is too high because of dialers.... don´t know details but this will bring some problems...

that's not really an option if they block my ip......

as i said. in the last 10 years the german government succesfully blocked 2 !!!!! sites!

stormfront.org and another racist site. no porn sites !
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12-09-2003, 01:33 PM

don't fuck with germans!!
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12-09-2003, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

that's not really an option if they block my ip......

talk to that Gay guy in NYC that we both know...lol
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12-09-2003, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by ElvisManson

talk to that Gay guy in NYC that we both know...lol

Do you really want to go calling the kettle black here....?

Besides, weve already gone over this.
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12-09-2003, 01:44 PM

There are a couple other people that have gotten those in the past, not sure what they did.
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12-09-2003, 01:49 PM

scary
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12-09-2003, 01:54 PM

reminds me of Mr. Burns from the Simpsons

"oooh, the Germans are upset.... oooh musn't upset the Germans..... look, the Germans are mad at me...."

Just geo filter their traffic. I wouldn't even reply.
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12-09-2003, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by PMdave

Euhmm not sure what you are talkin about. Scenes at TV1 and VTM are always so that you JUST can't see something... And VT4 yeah well don't call that a TV station please...

excuse me, if they film it that way, then it ain't censured, btw there is nudity even on VTM 'the family channel' eg Spoed, Miss Belgium, even male nudity in Team Spirit. TV1 never cuts nude scenes out of films and in their entertainment gossip programs, there's nudity every week.

hey, vt4, brought us simpsons, south park, etc so shut up

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12-09-2003, 03:40 PM

Why would the german gov't care about you? Are you located in germany?

If not, I don't think they could prosecute you!

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12-09-2003, 03:42 PM

The German government sent a letter to my host trying to shit down my sites !

Fuck em !

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12-09-2003, 03:44 PM

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Being in the Benelux rules, don't you think?

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