Donny

The reason I've started building single girl sites is two-fold:

1. I won't lie and say I don't like the idea of making more money, and that by having more websites I'll make more money. Of course I'll make more money. But please carefully read number 2 below:

2. VERY FEW in this industry give models a way to make recurring income. A model comes in, poses, gets paid for her photos, and leaves. After she spends the money from her photo shoot it is gone, yet the photos remain forever. I really don't like that idea very much. I never have. I have ALWAYS wanted to figure out a way for these girls to make recurring income. These "single girl" websites are just one way to provide that.

This is the truth: these models make 5% more from their websites than I make. I really like that: THEY make more than ME.

These single girl sites allow a model to pose for me and then receive recurring income just like I do. That makes me very happy. I love making money for ME, but I love it even more that I can share that money with the models that make it possible for me to earn a living.

Just my 2 cents...

baddog

you could always pay then more

sweetcuties

Good logic, however, I'll NEVER give a girl a recurring income

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necoeds

ALWAYS a bad idea!

IMO

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Donny

I already pay them more than most. I've been chastised by other content providers for paying models too much. BUT even when paying them more:

the photos exist long after the money is spent.

Donny

To each his own. But helping myself by helping others really feels good.

Donny

Fuck! I really wish I could post the ICQ's I'm getting from this post. They perfectly portray everything that I feel is wrong with this industry....

Donny

From ICQ responses it's very evident that many forget the human element of this business. No wonder A-S-H C-R-O-F-T is attacking us.

Rochard

Prayer for the day: "God helps those who help themselves".

While I agree in this concept, the girls end up making a lot of money off of very little work...... What happens when you are writing checks for tens of thousands of dollars to girls who do very little work......

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SleazyDream

yep, you're the patron saint of crack whores.....


soon someone's gona be washing your feet

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HarlotCash Dyker

I do the same - If others only think of themselves and want to make silly remarks about it, then let them.

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SleazyDream

and then they get USED to the money and when they get overexposed and income goes down you got some drugged out crack whore on your ass constantly about how you're fucking them over.

you do not want ongoing financial relationshipswithout ongoing WORK. be it models, marketers, or photographers

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Donny

I'll overlook the crack whore comment since you obviously have no fucking clue. I can tell you've never visited my website. The models I find are usually girls going to school, well on their way to getting their degree. The first girl in my tour: Abigail... she already has a degree and is working on her masters.

Donny

ONE of the things I've always respected about Lightspeed is that you guys pay models a commission on websites. Obviously, good or bad, you feel the same way I do.

SleazyDream

it's usually the end of a photographer when they start falling in love with their models and putting them on a pedistal above where they really belong. It's a business relationship -remember that

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AaronM

I have been against this shit for years...BUT....With a lot of the things I have seen lately, and after spending a year shooting Toni Freeland and paying her a flat fee...I am considering trying a partnership thing with some models.

Donny

Again... no clue.

[Sidebar here: I really like Sleazy... respect his business a lot... and would never say anything bad about him as a person... I just happen to disagree on this one little thing at the moment... okay, carry on]

The models that have single girl sites with me have no special place in my heart. My girlfriend and I have been together for almost 3 years. No one is in the running to take her place.

I just really want to try to make a way for models to share in making the money. This business has been very good to me. This is my way to give back a little to the girls that helped me get to where I am.

SleazyDream

how much have you given back to the people who gave you the traffic that got you to where you are today?

over and above the agreed on business deal for that traffic.........

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Donny

Besides partnering with the models (by paying them a percentage), I have one other partner in this. But that partner is MUCH less vocal than I am.

When the concept of "revshare" with models first came to me I was amazed at how difficult it was to get anyone to see things the same way I do.

I'm finding it equally hard to get people to see things the same way I do on a plan I have to cut designers in on designs that do exceptionally well (but that's another story)...

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Donny

Can you say "ccbill affiliate code"? I knew ya could.

SleazyDream

reread

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Donny

Oh yeah, and who could forget "hosted galleries"?

SleazyDream

someone bann this idiot and then hack his website and crash his business for being a total spamming fool

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Donny

Okay, what could possibly get better than 50% recurring from CCBill, and hosted galleries where **I** pay the bandwidth? I'd say that's a pretty damn good deal.

SleazyDream

communism works in theory - in THEORY it's a much better system.


in reality it always fails

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SleazyDream

more traffic for more sales.....duuuuu

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AaronM

It's 82+ and beautiful here. I can't believe I am posting to GFY.


The two of you need to go sit in seperate corners and take a time out before this gets ugly.

Sleazy......Who cares? It's his opinion and the business model that he has chosen. It has proven to be sucessful for himself and others that I know.

There are people that buy/sell traffic outright and then there are those who buy/sell with revshare options. Just like with models....it can work either way. With that said....Which business model usually converts better....Stuff that it bought or stuff that the person who is selling has more of a long term vested interest in?

Have fun with your debate.....I am gonna get out of this house and enjoy the island.

Donny

Sorry... I can be a little dense at times. But I'm sitting here staring at my screen trying to figure out the relationship between communism and adult websites. So far I can't see it. Please assist.

AaronM

20 posts and 20 spams.

Maybe this guy should be banned.

AaronM

Looks like Eric was already on this one.

Thanks Eric.

SleazyDream

see this is my point exactly - you're kinda saying between the lines here that the marketers are getting too much and that they don't need anything more....

think about it like this. why would you want to pay a model more money for the same thing you can get for less? not like the pics that are already taken will get any BETTER as they get older.

but you WANT to pay a marketer more money cause they will CONTINUE to market for you and make you MORE money.


success requires 95% attention to marketing and 5% attention to everything else.

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SleazyDream

communism in theory means everyone shares and is treated equally and paid accordingly.

capitalism doesn't work like that - neither does the adult industry.

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shag-post

At last some geniune person, not interested in spamming.

Listen to this DonovanPhillips,

After Xmas, I am wanting to set up 10 solo girl websites, each website is a seperate business/partnership between me an the model, with both the model and myself getting an equal 50% of the profit each month.

The business can be sold by either party and passed through generations of their family for years to come.

There is more to it, a very good secret which I am not prepared to reveal for free. However, I will be new in the Shoot My Own Pictures area. I normally buy content from others. So if you, DonovanPhillips, give me tips on the legal and correct way to aquire models and photograph them, I will be more than happy to allow you to know my secret.

Icq me if you want. 286199503

Cheers

Wayne

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AaronM

That's right children...When Grandma dies, you will get her porn sites.

codymc12

My 2 cents is that this is inapplicable. There is no reason not to do this beyond the one below:

POOR BUSINESS/MARKETING PLAN.

If you can do it and make it make money, there is nothing wrong with it. And that IS capitalism.

Anything else is opinion.

FTVGirls

Agree with Donovan, but only if:

1- The girl is reliable, trustworthy, will stick around, and has a head on her shoulders.

2- She is an exception from the rest, beautiful with a personality that will capture a lot of members.

Thats why we've only got one model, Alexa, who fits these criteria and we built a single girl site around her. She gets paid a flat fee plus a % of sales.

SleazyDream

this is exaclty my point - but take this a step further. if the girl meets that criteria and is SMART- why does she need you?


there are tons of single girl sites out there - amateur model sites - and they don't need to be splitting their income with you....and many of them do VERY well.

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jimthefiend

i take 15% on mywebcam site

im giving girls 50% of ALL sales of my new webcam content shop



call me stupid, but fair is fair



i just see a HUGE lack of respect for these girls in this thread

SleazyDream

and the cam girl that contacts your client and tells him to meet her with in microsoft messanger and just paypal her $50 directly for an hour of fun bypassing your system should get a higher payout?

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shag-post

These girls are young and striving for money to survive in this money demanding world we live in.

When these models are 45yrs old and they look back, regretting that they are flaunted their naked bodies on the internet, and knowing that they will still be on show in 100's of years to come, I think it's only fair that the models and the future generations of their families should recieve a % of money.

All you do is take their photo!

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jimthefiend

no she should get her ass fired


but i dont run into that alot, one of the reasons i DONT is that they feel better giving me a cut since its not fucking 60% or whatever like most webmasters take


its all about loyalty
give them REASONS to be str8 with you and they will


edit: YES i work harder for my girls than alot of guys but it pays off in the end.
that loyalty is one of the reason why im even ABLE to do things like a content store. certain other guys you might know have tried that and failed because they didnt have the respect or trust built up

codymc12

As my wife and I run just such a site, and have for over 6 years, I agree generally... and if a girl CAN do it, she should do it herself, and not share profits with anyone. We make our living doing that and only that.

But dude, it took us two years to really get on our feet... to learn it all from the tech end to the marketing end, to build up our traffic base, blah, blah, blah. Lots of sweat and heartbreak mixed in with success.

I'm thinking if the offer is good - ie, trustworthy company, and they already have the traffic - a girl might consider it in that instance.

Of course, that's all just theoretical and ideal.

I can say that we have made forays into this business model in the past - and the only way we would do it again is if we had serious traffic to spare. Because in the end, it's all about the signups and the size of the pie you are splitting. Personally, I think the best use of this is to tell the girl 'over to you, good luck' - but then share members areas. She can succeed or fail on her own merits, and your assist to her (and hers to you) can be in the area of retention.

HarlotCash Dyker

Hit the nail right on the head - I have been doing this since 1996 and it has worked well both ways - The girls get regular work, and I have no problem keeping models -
Members get to know the girls very well - Good for biz.

There are obvious reasons why I would not offer this kind of contract with some models - But assuming many of the girls out there are reasonably intelligent, it is worthwile for both parties to work together -

Crackhead type models would NOT get in our studio -

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jimthefiend

heres an example:

ive had girls redirect their OWN clients to my site for shows on real slow days for the site



you tell me THATS not a sign of a good working relationship




part of this is yeah, alot of my girls are big fans of my main site, but alot of it is sheer respect



any guy that calls his employees or models CRACK WHORES shouldnt HAVE any employees or models


no respect


whats the difference between the model and the guy that sells the content?

zip

GotGauge

Very Little Work? Maybe. But there are many many other factors.
It is the girls body, that she is putting on the internet for the world to view. Doing things that a good percent of the world looks down on. Models stand a good chance of the family disowning them, losing relationships, being ridiculed but local people in the community. I could go on and on. If a Model can not make this her only source of income, then why do it? I am happy with the amount of Money we are getting paid for the amount of Work we are doing.

No offense RocHard, Just something I feel strongly about. Every Business is different, for many reasons... What works is what works...for each company!

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jimthefiend

you may not care but i had a HUGE amount of respect for you until that comment


kinda pruned it a lil bit

codymc12

Unfortunately, it's an attitude you see on GFY far too often.

But those that have it are unlikely to change it - again unfortunately.

HeadPimp

I know people that do deals like that with models, but I will tell you that I tried it once and after the gal flaked out on me a month later (after the site was up and the money spent), I decided that I had learned my lesson. Also, the problem is that a good chunk of the models are not business people at heart, and feel that they are doing you a favor by showing up. So they harrass you when things aren't they way they want them, and to be tied to them in a long term deal is not something I want to have to deal with.

IF I found a model that was truly professional, and had a clue, I might do a co-op deal, but it isn't likely. Models are just too flaky on the whole.