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  • Paul Markham
    Too old to care
    • Jun 2001
    • 52942

    #61
    Originally posted by Neriah Davis
    Wow....interesting thread.
    I sure as hell don't miss the days when I had to deal with a webmaster. I call the shots...and I own the content.....no debate.
    I think a lot of models would take control if they had the confidence and the know-how, but people who do know how to run a site generally don't share the information with the girls. They generally like to keep the models in the dark so the model will always have to depend on them.
    I have had my site up since Nov 1998, but it wasn't until December 02 that I took it over 100%. That was the best move I ever made.
    Fuck dealing with asshole webmasters who don't repect me....it's all on me now.
    (I am not speaking to anyone in particular, but this subject can get me fired up sometimes)
    You know what Hustler don't tell me how to pring and circulate a magazine.

    This is the mentality you deal with from a girl who has the brains and drive to do something for herself. Can you imagine what it would be like with one who thinks she's special because she's pretty, can open her legs and pout?



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    • Donny
      As you wish...
      • May 2002
      • 13754

      #62
      Originally posted by charly
      I've been shooting gilrs for over a quarter of a century so got a bit of experience at it.

      Dealing with different types all the time but the one motive that runs through them is the need to earn quick, easy and a lot of cash. Few will ever have the chance to earn in a week what we pay for a day, some will never earn it in a month.

      You have students, unemployed, poorly paid girls normaly. You do not get PAs, doctors and executives turning up to pose nude. They don't need the money.

      There is also other themes that run models, lack of trust and boyfriends. The problem with doing a deal, where she's not paid off, is in the future when the earnings drop or don't come up to what she expects she will blame you. She would never admit that she is not as good as she thought.

      She may have earnt twice what she would of by taking the money on the day, but this will not be considered. All she will think, with or without the boyfriends prompting is that you are ripping her off. Never that she's not good enough.

      The fact that she turned up at the studio knowing nothing about modelling. Without make up, clothing and walked out of the studio 6-7 hours later with a months wages in her hands, relieves my conscience.

      Plus if the pictures bomb and I never sell them she does not give me back the money I lost.
      Every one of these points is valid.

      And I deal with each of them all the time.

      BUT there is one thing that over comes most of these issues: knowlege. Most objections are simply an expression of "I don't understand this, please explain it to me". ESPECIALLY the boyfriend's objections. Too many off us HATE the boyfriend and show a real major flaw by not dealing CORRECTLY with the boyfriend. HE is not the asshole you think he is... he's just asking for information. If you give it to him and treat him with respect he is a non-issue. Actually, I LOVE the boyfriends. After they understand what's going on and feel comfortable with you (take a boyfriend out for a coffee break: just you and him) he becomes one of your BEST allies. Before you know if the girl is feeling REALLY DAMN GOOD about what she's doing. Why? Because her BOYFRIEND feels really damn good about the situation.

      I face this ALL THE TIME. Just last night I faced it again.... the boyfriend of one of the models that has a site with me was very concerned about letting his girlfriend shoot one-on-one with a photographer I brought in from out of town. He had all these reasons why he didn't want it to happen. I talked privately with him, one one one, and addressed each issue. I also pointed out to him that his real issue was control, and that I completely understood (BEING UNDERSTANDING is a VERY vital ingredient when dealing with boyfriends). Once the guy was able to get all his concerns out in the open, without getting attitude from me, he was completely cool with it. He and I hung out at my office and talked about his girlfriend's site while she had her photos taken by a good friend of mine that I consider to be a superior photographer to most in this business.

      It's all about HOW we deal with people. If we step up to the plate and be MORE PROFESSIONAL than others, by dealing with the HUMAN side of things, business goes so much better.

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      • Paul Markham
        Too old to care
        • Jun 2001
        • 52942

        #63
        And there is another problem with girls.

        There is always another one standing behind her who will do the job for less money and less hassle. So why go with the highest priced one?



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        • Donny
          As you wish...
          • May 2002
          • 13754

          #64
          Originally posted by charly
          And there is another problem with girls.

          There is always another one standing behind her who will do the job for less money and less hassle. So why go with the highest priced one?
          Because, as you said, there is ALWAYS another one. If you keep moving on to the next one, all you're doing is moving.

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          • Paul Markham
            Too old to care
            • Jun 2001
            • 52942

            #65
            Donovan you are living in a different world to me. They complain she is doing the work, not getting paid enough and being shot by my wife!!

            If the girl is poorly educated what are the chances of me sitting down and taliking it out with him? Like he's going to have a college degree.

            I've had more problems from boyfriends over the years than I ever had with girls and what do you do when she changes boyfriends?



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            • Paul Markham
              Too old to care
              • Jun 2001
              • 52942

              #66
              Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


              Because, as you said, there is ALWAYS another one. If you keep moving on to the next one, all you're doing is moving.
              Yep.

              The most we shoot a girl is about 10 times and then she has to be special. Most of them do 2-3 shoots maximum. The number of people in todays market who want that much work of a girls, and we shoot magazines and Net, are few and far between.



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              • Donny
                As you wish...
                • May 2002
                • 13754

                #67
                Originally posted by charly
                Donovan you are living in a different world to me. They complain she is doing the work, not getting paid enough and being shot by my wife!!
                To me, that simply means they're asking for more information. I start showing them my bandwidth bill and related costs associated with running a website. I explain to them, in a very NICE way (NOT condescending), that these are expenses that I KNOW he/she doesn't want to deal with.

                Originally posted by charly
                If the girl is poorly educated what are the chances of me sitting down and taliking it out with him? Like he's going to have a college degree.
                I don't really have this problem either, but that is because I took a lot of pyschology courses in college and sold cars in college. What do those two things have to do with boyfriends? They really help you learn how to read people and react to them. Seriously.

                Originally posted by charly
                I've had more problems from boyfriends over the years than I ever had with girls and what do you do when she changes boyfriends?
                Now THAT is a problem. Because the new boyfriend NEVER wants his girlfriend to do ANYTHING that her ex-boyfriend was okay with. I still try reasoning with them. It works MOST of the time, but not always I'll have to admit....

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                • Donny
                  As you wish...
                  • May 2002
                  • 13754

                  #68
                  Originally posted by sweetcuties
                  Good logic, however, I'll NEVER give a girl a recurring income
                  Your sig, and the line underneath your nick name, say it all. I have nothing to add.

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                  • sweetcuties
                    Confirmed User
                    • Feb 2002
                    • 5859

                    #69
                    Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


                    Your sig, and the line underneath your nick name, say it all. I have nothing to add.

                    Ok, smart ass... you don't even know me or the sites I run. Unlike other people in this biz, you don't affect me! I don't do biz with you, so I don't give a fuck what you think about me or my sites. Ok, Mr. High & Mighty!!

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                    • Nasty D
                      Confirmed User
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 2563

                      #70
                      Lightspeed Cash = Single Girl Sites


                      Pimp Mandy Mayhem, Tabatha Sweet, Kristi Montana and Lexy Lohan @ Hawt Money

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                      • Donny
                        As you wish...
                        • May 2002
                        • 13754

                        #71
                        Originally posted by FTVGirls
                        Agree with Donovan, but only if:

                        1- The girl is reliable, trustworthy, will stick around, and has a head on her shoulders.

                        2- She is an exception from the rest, beautiful with a personality that will capture a lot of members.

                        Thats why we've only got one model, Alexa, who fits these criteria and we built a single girl site around her. She gets paid a flat fee plus a % of sales.

                        I really like this part of Alexa's site:

                        Why pose naked for a website for the whole world to see?
                        Well its my very own website, its done nicely and tastefully, and I've never been shy about my figure or nudity. Especially since I've grown to learn more about how attractive my figure is to men. In a sense, the more I pose the more comfortable I have become with my body.



                        VERY cool.

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                        • Donny
                          As you wish...
                          • May 2002
                          • 13754

                          #72
                          Originally posted by sweetcuties


                          Ok, smart ass... you don't even know me or the sites I run. Unlike other people in this biz, you don't affect me! I don't do biz with you, so I don't give a fuck what you think about me or my sites. Ok, Mr. High & Mighty!!

                          You're right... all I know is that your signature says you've been pimping 18 year olds for 4 years and that you're "Exploiting daddy's girl". Since I don't know you in person, those two things are all I can use to form an opinion of you AT THE MOMENT. If that's not what you're about, why would you put such a thing on a message board full of people that don't know you? All we know is what you show.

                          And if those two statements are jokes: I, for one, don't think either of them are funny.

                          EDIT TO ADD: I also don't think it's funny to call girls "sluts" or "cum guzzlers", etc. When I see reality sites that use such terms or degrade women by referring that they're "cock holsters" or some other term that implies girls are only to be used for male sexual satisfaction it makes my stomach turn.
                          Last edited by Donny; 12-07-2003, 01:34 PM.

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                          • pornkitten
                            Confirmed User
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 1412

                            #73
                            no fucking way.. you must be kidding. I modeled and got one time payments and that was fine its a choice you make. Not every models as nice as me. Wait till they turn on you and the blackmail begins (um I dont like think I want my photo up anymore or your making more money you shouldnt I get it since Im on there?..). Or your star model gets a jealous bf /has a baby and doesnt want to honor this agreement. You must be trying to piss people off to get the longest thread.. either that or you are seriously trying to fuck the models.
                            too lazy to find advertising for this sig space

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                            • sweetcuties
                              Confirmed User
                              • Feb 2002
                              • 5859

                              #74
                              Originally posted by DonovanPhillips



                              You're right... all I know is that your signature says you've been pimping 18 year olds for 4 years and that you're "Exploiting daddy's girl". Since I don't know you in person, those two things are all I can use to form an opinion of you AT THE MOMENT. If that's not what you're about, why would you put such a thing on a message board full of people that don't know you? All we know is what you show.

                              And if those two statements are jokes: I, for one, don't think either of them are funny.

                              EDIT TO ADD: I also don't think it's funny to call girls "sluts" or "cum guzzlers", etc. When I see reality sites that use such terms or degrade women by referring that they're "cock holsters" or some other term that implies girls are only to be used for male sexual satisfaction it makes my stomach turn.
                              Hmm, first of all I NEVER called any girl a "slut" or "cumguzzler", so that line doesn't affect me. I think you're making a general statement

                              Second, thank you for paying so much attention to me and my sig... I feel really special. Not that I have to defend how my profile reads but it's called freedom of speech/expression. Many people in the biz do it and that's the avenue I decided to take... which is my biz, no one elses!! BTW, I took my affiliate sig banner off because I've got thousands of affiliates, so I don't need anymore. Only 5-10% are worth a damn, the rest eat up bandwidth and devalue content.

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                              • pornkitten
                                Confirmed User
                                • Dec 2003
                                • 1412

                                #75
                                unless you have someone like the next jenna jameson but even then shoot tons of custom exclusive photos for yourself and get rich one day like steve and earl.
                                too lazy to find advertising for this sig space

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