Single Girl Sites

heres an example:

ive had girls redirect their OWN clients to my site for shows on real slow days for the site



you tell me THATS not a sign of a good working relationship




part of this is yeah, alot of my girls are big fans of my main site, but alot of it is sheer respect



any guy that calls his employees or models CRACK WHORES shouldnt HAVE any employees or models


no respect


whats the difference between the model and the guy that sells the content?

zip

Very Little Work? Maybe. But there are many many other factors.
It is the girls body, that she is putting on the internet for the world to view. Doing things that a good percent of the world looks down on. Models stand a good chance of the family disowning them, losing relationships, being ridiculed but local people in the community. I could go on and on. If a Model can not make this her only source of income, then why do it? I am happy with the amount of Money we are getting paid for the amount of Work we are doing.

No offense RocHard, Just something I feel strongly about. Every Business is different, for many reasons... What works is what works...for each company!

See you in Vegas!

you may not care but i had a HUGE amount of respect for you until that comment


kinda pruned it a lil bit

Unfortunately, it's an attitude you see on GFY far too often.

But those that have it are unlikely to change it - again unfortunately.

I know people that do deals like that with models, but I will tell you that I tried it once and after the gal flaked out on me a month later (after the site was up and the money spent), I decided that I had learned my lesson. Also, the problem is that a good chunk of the models are not business people at heart, and feel that they are doing you a favor by showing up. So they harrass you when things aren't they way they want them, and to be tied to them in a long term deal is not something I want to have to deal with.

IF I found a model that was truly professional, and had a clue, I might do a co-op deal, but it isn't likely. Models are just too flaky on the whole.

it just boggles my mind the double standard


its ok for us to SELL the porn
but fuck, the women that we feature in it are trash

????????????????




we cant be in business without them, so a modicum of respect is due i think

just a tad

I've been shooting gilrs for over a quarter of a century so got a bit of experience at it.

Dealing with different types all the time but the one motive that runs through them is the need to earn quick, easy and a lot of cash. Few will ever have the chance to earn in a week what we pay for a day, some will never earn it in a month.

You have students, unemployed, poorly paid girls normaly. You do not get PAs, doctors and executives turning up to pose nude. They don't need the money.

There is also other themes that run models, lack of trust and boyfriends. The problem with doing a deal, where she's not paid off, is in the future when the earnings drop or don't come up to what she expects she will blame you. She would never admit that she is not as good as she thought.

She may have earnt twice what she would of by taking the money on the day, but this will not be considered. All she will think, with or without the boyfriends prompting is that you are ripping her off. Never that she's not good enough.

The fact that she turned up at the studio knowing nothing about modelling. Without make up, clothing and walked out of the studio 6-7 hours later with a months wages in her hands, relieves my conscience.

Plus if the pictures bomb and I never sell them she does not give me back the money I lost.

Don't always agree with you but I do on this one. Respect the girls. But don't over estimate them.

I agree you'd have to be VERY selective.

We have a girl we have been shooting, on and off, for years. She's always reachable, always on time. Her content is always popular.

Even better, she has a normal job, and does modelling to supplement her income. In short - she is a stable professional.

If it ever came up, we'd consider creating a site for her. And that's the type of girl you'd want to deal with.

Beyond that, it's a very transient industry with a short professional life span.

The pics don't really last forever in the commercial sense. And the person who photographs them and manages to make and market a site does more then just snap a picture.

Just a thought though. Do this with bonuses and incentives. Why give up control just because you "feel" like it today.
Who owns the site if the model gets religion and decides to never model again?
Who owns it if you get sick and can't update or do the work for 3 months? Is she owed damages then?
What is she is the next Tawny Stone BUT retires after 2 months?

Partnerships are harder then marriages. I have partners and I don't hate them but I would be happier if I did not have them.

Traffic.
Affiliates.
Search Engine Rankings.
Marketing.

to name a few.

thats the key isnt it


i may be coming from a different perspective because im not simply dealing with them once for a shoot, then thats it.


i deal with them everyday, all day
you build trust


and then you get 3am calls from some girl who cant figure out how to upload an avatar to some forum

thats annoying, but again, it pays off

Wow....interesting thread.
I sure as hell don't miss the days when I had to deal with a webmaster. I call the shots...and I own the content.....no debate.
I think a lot of models would take control if they had the confidence and the know-how, but people who do know how to run a site generally don't share the information with the girls. They generally like to keep the models in the dark so the model will always have to depend on them.
I have had my site up since Nov 1998, but it wasn't until December 02 that I took it over 100%. That was the best move I ever made.
Fuck dealing with asshole webmasters who don't repect me....it's all on me now.
(I am not speaking to anyone in particular, but this subject can get me fired up sometimes)

But on the other hand, she is not managing the site, she is not the photographer, web designer, the person who brings in all the traffic, customer service and so on.

Perhaps in an 'amateurish' sense if there is a guy who takes cheezy pics, runs a cheap site and rips the girl off at the same time, its understandable.
But when a site give the model so much quality attention, trips to Hawaii, it comes out all the more well balanced and in favor of the model, than some attempt for her to do it by herself.

p.s. nice work on the Alexa site FTVGirls