Why cant Visa charge every pay site webmaster $10k? - GoFuckYourself.com

Krome · 12-04-2003, 02:06 PM

This would kill the chargebacks and bring quality to the surfer.

Only the people who know how to make money via pay sites would pay the cash. The dick fucks (most of you who are reading this) would be relegated back to tgp posting daily and finally forced out of the industry (Survival of the fittest).

Why do some of you have the balls to charge surfers $20 plus per month membership? Look at your sites they are living shit. The main task for you setting up a site is not content but how to hide the cancel button so you get them to go to rebill.

The surfer would be accessing top quality sites and would have no reason to chargeback and they would be getting sites that are updaily daily.

OK the big scam artists would still be out there but instead of visa being pissed at an industry they would be able to just target a few individuals.

Think about this:

'Hey I am a pornographer and work in adult because I sell my sig space....'

'Hey check this content of the neighbourhood bike that I shot on my digital camera that I brought from the supermarket'

'Hey I am a designer because I just discovered the bevel tool in photoshop'

'Hey I am a major traffic player because I run a tgp that does 2k of hits per day'

If you disagree with this thread it shows how insigificant your existance is in adult. If you agree then well done you can continue to run a kick arse operation...

detoxed · 12-04-2003, 02:07 PM

So charging someone that makes $1 million a year from their paysite $10,000 would stop chargebacks how?

Krome · 12-04-2003, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
So charging someone that makes $1 million a year from their paysite $10,000 would stop chargebacks how?

No it would wipe out the small time dim wits who create hundreds of charge backs by lying on tours and not offering quality to the surfer.

TheEnforcer · 12-04-2003, 02:09 PM

This thread could get interesting.

Rich · 12-04-2003, 02:10 PM

Have you been inside an ARS member section, or looked closely at the billing practices of some of the largest programs in the business? Obviously not. The problems with Visa aren't caused by webmasters who couldn't pay 10k to keep their sites open. Why do you think 3rd party billers seem to go out of business after processing for CE?

The Other Steve · 12-04-2003, 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by Krome

No it would wipe out the small time dim wits who create hundreds of charge backs by lying on tours and not offering quality to the surfer.

Maybe you should buy a clue - it might help you from appearing like a dimwit yourself.

Any small paysite that generates hundreds of chargebacks isn't going to be in business long - Visa will see to that.

Kimmykim · 12-04-2003, 02:16 PM

Krome, you must be drinking today.

Krome · 12-04-2003, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
Krome, you must be drinking today.

Nope still sober, I have not had a drink for over a month....

triumph · 12-04-2003, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
Krome, you must be drinking today.

not only drinkingbut smoking some good shit.

MetaMan · 12-04-2003, 02:21 PM

Have you checked out the members areas at some of the most promoted sites lol. they are nothing short of shit.

so what you are saying is let the richest companies run it, ya ok that makes sense. so what is stopping from the companies left from making a pact to have shitty members area because they know all the signups would be sent to them?

how on earth would filtering out almost everyone help the industry in chargebacks, it would just bring more complaints.

NinjaSteve · 12-04-2003, 02:23 PM

Kimmykim · 12-04-2003, 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by Krome

Nope still sober, I have not had a drink for over a month....

Then your logic is flawed.

Visa is after sites that generate a lot of chargebacks, not sites that have the occasional one. While I dont disagree in principal that there are a lot of small sites out there that completely suck ass, the sites generating the big chargeback numbers are the sites doing a lot of joins a day, that is the only way you can work that math out.

Resellers create much more of a problem for Visa than small paysite owners do, imo.

Krome · 12-04-2003, 02:28 PM

The less players the easier it is to target the fuckers, plus the more money there is for the people playing the game....wipe out the weak....

gregtx · 12-04-2003, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by Krome

No it would wipe out the small time dim wits who create hundreds of charge backs by lying on tours and not offering quality to the surfer.

but if you are small I doubt you even have 100 chargebacks per month.. thus you are not a problem... to visa

BlackCrayon · 12-04-2003, 02:35 PM

most of the bigger companies have the worst memebers area, cookie cutter shit ect. the small guys are the ones who offer more quality in my opinion. and if this rule was in place since day 1, a lot of good honest programs wouldn't exist, possibly yours.

stocktrader23 · 12-04-2003, 02:38 PM

Small sites are better than any site owners big or small that DON'T pay affiliates.

Have a beer, you'll feel better.

gregtx · 12-04-2003, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by BlackCrayon
most of the bigger companies have the worst memebers area, cookie cutter shit ect. the small guys are the ones who offer more quality in my opinion. and if this rule was in place since day 1, a lot of good honest programs wouldn't exist, possibly yours.

and i'm sure those are the programs who pay you per join for your traffic... way to go and bite the hands that feed you ;)

Krome · 12-04-2003, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by gregtx

but if you are small I doubt you even have 100 chargebacks per month.. thus you are not a problem... to visa

it is the % not the amount...........

DatingGold · 12-04-2003, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by Krome

No it would wipe out the small time dim wits who create hundreds of charge backs by lying on tours and not offering quality to the surfer.

Some of the sites with the highest % of chargebacks are the large ones..

directfiesta · 12-04-2003, 02:43 PM

Why 10K ????

Why not 100K ???

Maybe that would wipe you out Krome?

Pretty stupid argument you have ... Most surfers that join " the so called big site" do not renew because they get generic product re-presented every other month...

And don't forget, the big of today were the small of yesterday.

And I do agree with KimmyKim:

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Resellers create much more of a problem for Visa than small paysite owners do, imo.

Krome · 12-04-2003, 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta
Why 10K ????

Why not 100K ???

Maybe that would wipe you out Krome?

I have been doing porn for so long that I dont think I can ever be forced out!

Pipecrew · 12-04-2003, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by Krome
This would kill the chargebacks and bring quality to the surfer.

Only the people who know how to make money via pay sites would pay the cash. The dick fucks (most of you who are reading this) would be relegated back to tgp posting daily and finally forced out of the industry (Survival of the fittest).

Funny this is coming from you, the same guy who couldnt pay his affiliates and was willing to GIVE THEM your sites to pay the bill?

Survival of the fittest?

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ighlight=krome

Gimmy · 12-04-2003, 02:48 PM

is the 1% chargeback rule apply to Masctercard too?

gregtx · 12-04-2003, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Krome

it is the % not the amount...........

if you are under 100 cbs.. per month.. you are fine..

if you are over 100.. then it has to be less than 1% of your total amount of transactions...

please brush up on your knowledge .. especially on big business models...

RichC · 12-04-2003, 02:56 PM

Why can't visa just pay every paysite webmaster $10,000.
yeah a premium to us for sending them business...sounds good to me

what up 24 inches of pain?

SomeCreep · 12-04-2003, 03:00 PM

Webmasters should pay every surfer that joins their site $10,000. That way there will be no charge backs.

Kimmykim · 12-04-2003, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by Krome

it is the % not the amount...........

Pay attention, it's both. As Greg pointed out.

MattO · 12-04-2003, 03:04 PM

We're helping sites incorporate in Europe to take advantage of our 2.5% chargeback ratio allowance. It can be a nice thing.

Kimmykim · 12-04-2003, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by MattO
We're helping sites incorporate in Europe to take advantage of our 2.5% chargeback ratio allowance. It can be a nice thing.

Especially when it goes to 2% on January 1, eh?

PerfectionGirls · 12-04-2003, 03:06 PM

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but if you are small I doubt you even have 100 chargebacks per month.. thus you are not a problem... to visa

100 a month? Damn We have had 30 chargebacks since Jan 2003. Trust me.. you can control chargebacks without charging a fee.... Its called taking care of your members. Give them what they pay for and dont jerk them over on upsells and crossells. Play far and you wont have issue.

Charging 10,000 will not end the chargeback issue. The programs that are having chargeback issues would hardly miss the 10k so there would be no incentive for them to change there ways.

Gimmy · 12-04-2003, 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

100 a month? Damn We have had 30 chargebacks since Jan 2003. Trust me.. you can control chargebacks without charging a fee.... Its called taking care of your members. Give them what they pay for and dont jerk them over on upsells and crossells. Play far and you wont have issue.

Charging 10,000 will not end the chargeback issue. The programs that are having chargeback issues would hardly miss the 10k so there would be no incentive for them to change there ways.

does the chargeback rule apply to master card too???

PerfectionGirls · 12-04-2003, 03:10 PM

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does the chargeback rule to master card too???

Is it lumped with your overall ratio?.. no. My 30 chargebacks for this year includes Mastercard also. Our overall ratio is under .01%

MrHits · 12-04-2003, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

100 a month? Damn We have had 30 chargebacks since Jan 2003. Trust me.. you can control chargebacks without charging a fee.... Its called taking care of your members. Give them what they pay for and dont jerk them over on upsells and crossells. Play far and you wont have issue.

Charging 10,000 will not end the chargeback issue. The programs that are having chargeback issues would hardly miss the 10k so there would be no incentive for them to change there ways.

Agreed. take care of your member questions and give them what you advertise. We do thousands of transactions a month, and I can count our monthly chargebacks on my hands and toes.

Smokey The Bear · 12-04-2003, 03:16 PM

The real solution is FUCK YOU VISA FOREVER and not worry about chargebacks !!!

www.duocash.com

BlackCrayon · 12-04-2003, 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by gregtx

and i'm sure those are the programs who pay you per join for your traffic... way to go and bite the hands that feed you ;)

lol true but i dont push PPS programs much anymore, trying to focus more on revshare these days.

$5 submissions · 12-04-2003, 03:16 PM

Hmmm that's one way to look at it. But its not the sponsors who fuck shit up, its the cheater webmasters. Maybe your idea should be to charge affiliates money for joining... this would be a failure because other sponsors won't charge...trying to undercut competition. Final result, back to square 1.

Buff · 12-04-2003, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by MrHtis

Agreed. take care of your member questions and give them what you advertise. We do thousands of transactions a month, and I can count our monthly chargebacks on my hands and toes.

Well then the other real question is whether you were born near a nuclear power plant or not!

Juicy D. Links · 12-04-2003, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

100 a month? Damn We have had 30 chargebacks since Jan 2003. Trust me.. you can control chargebacks without charging a fee.... Its called taking care of your members. Give them what they pay for and dont jerk them over on upsells and crossells. Play far and you wont have issue.

Good words

Gimmy · 12-04-2003, 03:21 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

Is it lumped with your overall ratio?.. no. My 30 chargebacks for this year includes Mastercard also. Our overall ratio is under .01%

so do you monitor the visa transactions much more carefully so the chargeback ratio stays low and just keep track of them?

TDF · 12-04-2003, 03:23 PM

this thread is more proof that ANYONE can be in porn..

Hue G. Pness · 12-04-2003, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by Pipecrew

Funny this is coming from you, the same guy who couldnt pay his affiliates and was willing to GIVE THEM your sites to pay the bill?

Survival of the fittest?

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ighlight=krome

LOL

gregtx · 12-04-2003, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

100 a month? Damn We have had 30 chargebacks since Jan 2003. Trust me.. you can control chargebacks without charging a fee.... Its called taking care of your members. Give them what they pay for and dont jerk them over on upsells and crossells. Play far and you wont have issue.

Charging 10,000 will not end the chargeback issue. The programs that are having chargeback issues would hardly miss the 10k so there would be no incentive for them to change there ways.

What up RichC :-D

PG.. i'm sure you also run on a partnership stlye model... thus you do not have to worry about shitty resellers... or "carders"... as kimmy pointed out... again... if you dont' understand other business models.. no reason to knock them... are you the wealthiest person here at gfy??? or are the big corporate site owners??? they must be doing something right eh???

Kimmykim · 12-04-2003, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by Gimmy

so do you monitor the visa transactions much more carefully so the chargeback ratio stays low and just keep track of them?

Mastercard has its own rules, including the option to count credits in the same column as chargebacks for fine purposes if they feel the need to do so.

Bottom line is that 10k wouldn't stop the problems as the card companies see it.

gregtx · 12-04-2003, 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

Is it lumped with your overall ratio?.. no. My 30 chargebacks for this year includes Mastercard also. Our overall ratio is under .01%

so what Krome is saying he would want you to pay $10k to visa.. and you do no harm... is that fair???

EscortBiz · 12-04-2003, 03:37 PM

webmasters can stop the chargeback problem by simply giving the surfer what you prommised and avoid using crazy cross sell stuff, its pretty simple.

You will never stop the CB problem 100% thou, not in this industry and not in mainstream, the credit card companies make it way to easy.

Sly_RJ · 12-04-2003, 03:41 PM

Angels of Porn is a smaller company and we're not seeing any chargeback issues. I was just checking out the situation the other day. The difference? Our members section gives everything the tour promises and then some. No tricks. No games. Just good porn.

Eliminating the smaller companies would be a bad idea, IMO. Most of the really good paysites out there come from companies who would have a difficult time coughing up $10k. Instead, they would need to find corners to cut just to pay the $10k. That in itself smells like trouble to me.

PerfectionGirls · 12-04-2003, 03:42 PM

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PG.. i'm sure you also run on a partnership stlye model... thus you do not have to worry about shitty resellers... or "carders"... as kimmy pointed out... again... if you dont' understand other business models.. no reason to knock them... are you the wealthiest person here at gfy??? or are the big corporate site owners??? they must be doing something right eh???

True and Im not knocking it at all and yes.. I do understand that business model. However, it does not change the fact that us smaller programs are not the ones causng the chargeback issues for the most part, but we pay the price with the new visa regs.

pornkitten · 12-04-2003, 03:43 PM

OMG!! Hey I dont dont even want to pay the $750 Ill be damned if I'd pay 10g's to Visa. No fucking way. Thats a lot of fucking money to waste just to appease some over ego inflated assholes at some god damn credit card company thats been making enough money off us all these years. Ill just take mastercard if it comes that. Not all of us like throwing money away. Almost all business (new businesses especially) could be considered a risk and they dont have to pay. Its discrimination against the adult industry and why the hell would you want to pay more and encourage that?? Take that ten grand and make a decent members area.

BrentD · 12-04-2003, 03:43 PM

Indeed · 12-04-2003, 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
So charging someone that makes $1 million a year from their paysite $10,000 would stop chargebacks how?

I get your point. I bet most chargebacks come from huge sponsors . Most of them have the shitiest members zones and abuse free trials and cross sales. These companies make millions per month. 10k$ is notthing for them...and it would not stop chargebacks...

12-04-2003, 02:06 PM	#1
Krome Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London - UK Posts: 2,851	Why cant Visa charge every pay site webmaster $10k? This would kill the chargebacks and bring quality to the surfer. Only the people who know how to make money via pay sites would pay the cash. The dick fucks (most of you who are reading this) would be relegated back to tgp posting daily and finally forced out of the industry (Survival of the fittest). Why do some of you have the balls to charge surfers $20 plus per month membership? Look at your sites they are living shit. The main task for you setting up a site is not content but how to hide the cancel button so you get them to go to rebill. The surfer would be accessing top quality sites and would have no reason to chargeback and they would be getting sites that are updaily daily. OK the big scam artists would still be out there but instead of visa being pissed at an industry they would be able to just target a few individuals. Think about this: 'Hey I am a pornographer and work in adult because I sell my sig space....' 'Hey check this content of the neighbourhood bike that I shot on my digital camera that I brought from the supermarket' 'Hey I am a designer because I just discovered the bevel tool in photoshop' 'Hey I am a major traffic player because I run a tgp that does 2k of hits per day' If you disagree with this thread it shows how insigificant your existance is in adult. If you agree then well done you can continue to run a kick arse operation...

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detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	So charging someone that makes $1 million a year from their paysite $10,000 would stop chargebacks how?

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Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	Have you been inside an ARS member section, or looked closely at the billing practices of some of the largest programs in the business? Obviously not. The problems with Visa aren't caused by webmasters who couldn't pay 10k to keep their sites open. Why do you think 3rd party billers seem to go out of business after processing for CE?

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MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	Have you checked out the members areas at some of the most promoted sites lol. they are nothing short of shit. so what you are saying is let the richest companies run it, ya ok that makes sense. so what is stopping from the companies left from making a pact to have shitty members area because they know all the signups would be sent to them? how on earth would filtering out almost everyone help the industry in chargebacks, it would just bring more complaints.

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pornkitten Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,412	OMG!! Hey I dont dont even want to pay the $750 Ill be damned if I'd pay 10g's to Visa. No fucking way. Thats a lot of fucking money to waste just to appease some over ego inflated assholes at some god damn credit card company thats been making enough money off us all these years. Ill just take mastercard if it comes that. Not all of us like throwing money away. Almost all business (new businesses especially) could be considered a risk and they dont have to pay. Its discrimination against the adult industry and why the hell would you want to pay more and encourage that?? Take that ten grand and make a decent members area.

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