Teacher to 1st-graders: Santa is fake!

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first grade teacher Geneta Codner told her class that Santa Claus was ?make-believe.?

[Furious_Male]

Why would she lie to those kids like that.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by Furious_Male
Why would she lie to those kids like that.

Exactly.

Amazing that people get upset when an adult tells the truth to children.

Fucked up world we live in.

[Undutchable]

Donzelli said the school?s principal ?had a real stern conversation? with the teacher. But there will be no written reprimand because she did not violate any school district policy.

?We have no Santa clause,? Donzelli said. ?We would think that teachers would use better judgment.?

No Santa clause...

[DarkJedi]

Good.

I'd rather take full credit for the presents and see the kids thank me instead of some made-up charachter.

[Sly_RJ]

?We have no Santa clause,? Donzelli said. ?We would think that teachers would use better judgment.?

Hehe.

[DirtyRider]

Its about time those kids learn the truth!

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by AaronM


Exactly.

Amazing that people get upset when an adult tells the truth to children.

Fucked up world we live in.

No kidding. Actually my son knew right off the bat that Santa was pretend... We never really pushed the Santa thing hard, I don't think it's right to decieve kids either. His exact words were "Mommy, I know you're Santa and that he's not really real, but I think that's cool too, because you always pick good stuff for me!". It was out of the blue, apparently because of something some other kids said at school. Now around here it's more part of the make believe fun than anything.

[Sly_RJ]

Oh good grief, get the fuck over it. If some family wants to do the Santa thing, the Easter Bunny thing, the Tooth Fairy thing... let them. It's not the end of the world and it's never going to bother you any. The kid will know by the time he's 12 and will still love Santa.

I wouldn't want some dumb ass substitute teacher telling my kid there was or wasn't a Santa Claus anymore than I'd want the dumb ass substitute teacher telling my kid there was or wasn't a God. That's my call for the next couple years.

[Ironhorse]

I am telling my 6year old after this Xmas. There's a little bit too much dumbing down happening and seems religion is always tied up in this process. But doing it so close before the event is really just mean, she could've waited until after.

[basschick]

maybe it should be up to the parents instead of a substitute teacher - who, for goodness' sake - doesn't even have a bond with those kids. she's a fucking sub.

whatever my son thought at that age, i don't think that someone who barely knew him should have made the decision of what he should or shouldn't believe in.

[brizzad]

wait.. he's not real?

[Gemini]

We grew up with Santa and were left to our own devices usually to figure out he was made up. We also had the religious shows on TV during the Hoildays and were encouraged to watch them, but no real influence was given (usually) as to the actual Religion being presented. Santa and religion were never mentioned in the same sentance so we never tied them together.

Some believed in God, others didn't. It doesn't hurt to allow a kid to believe in Santa, on the contrary, you look back when you are an adult and remember special presents... one year for me as a brand new bike.

I know NOW that my Mother had to work her tail end off to manage that bike. Very hard. Now as a kid, would I even comprehend that? So which has more value? Would I even remember that bike now if I knew then that "just Mom" gave that to me or does the 'special elf brings grand gift" help trigger that memory?

Or are people bound and determined to shove their own beliefs down their kids throats in some sort of self righteous determinations?

[fyrflygrl]

We use the 'Santa IS real' philosophy in our home... but a little differently. We tell our three boys:

First stage: You'll believe in Santa Clause
Second Stage: You won't believe in Santa Clause
Third Stage: You'll BE Santa Clause

It helps them understand without lying, but let's me take advantage of child hood fun... and helps the older two be considerate of the youngest, who is still in his 'first santa stage'



Fyrflygrl!

[Theo]

i keep reading all the time from smart guys here that Santa is fake.

You know something?

FUCK YOU. Post some evidences or STFU.

Santa is real

[webair]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
i keep reading all the time from smart guys here that Santa is fake.

You know something?

FUCK YOU. Post some evidences or STFU.

Santa is real

[TheEnforcer]

Whoops.. guess he ruined their christmas!!

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Oh good grief, get the fuck over it. If some family wants to do the Santa thing, the Easter Bunny thing, the Tooth Fairy thing... let them. It's not the end of the world and it's never going to bother you any. The kid will know by the time he's 12 and will still love Santa.

I wouldn't want some dumb ass substitute teacher telling my kid there was or wasn't a Santa Claus anymore than I'd want the dumb ass substitute teacher telling my kid there was or wasn't a God. That's my call for the next couple years.

Pretty much the gist of it there. None of anyone's business what people's religious belifes, etc are.

[Furious_Female]

Nothing like an adult traumatizing a whole class of 1st graders by telling them that their parents and family are all liars.

[jennym]

When my daughter was 7 or 8, she lost another tooth. When I mentioned the Tooth Fairy, she said "Mom, I know you're the Tooth Fairy". I tried to deny it, but she knew. Well, when she woke up, and there was no money, I said that's because there is no Tooth Fairy.

Well, when Christmas came around that year, I aked her to make a list for Santa. She said "Mom, I know you are Santa". At that point I said "Do you really want to have this discussion again?". She laughed and immediately made a list for Santa. It is fun for me, and for her. It was never about me lying to my child. They already grow up too fast, let them have fun while they can.

[MetaMan]

that is purely retarted. why not let kids be kids for as long as possible, whats with half the idiots of the world trying to "prepare" kids for the real world.

the longer they stay kids for the happier they are. let kids figure out things for themselves it makes them smarter in the long run.

and for all you people who said that it was good or shouldnt matter i am going to become a teacher, go into your kids class and tell your kid about all of the worlds lies.

ya sounds great, idiots.

[johnbosh]

lol

[triumph]

leave it to the teachers to really mess the kids brains up!

now they are all contemplating suicide.

[sherie]

Hey, I just posted in the 'when did you find out santa was fake' thread. And my grade 1 teacher told our class that he was not real. She was Jewish and felt it was ok...those poor kids.

[Libertine]

So telling children the truth about something is "messing them up"? This is not religion... parents who raise their kids with religion don't think they are lying to their children. Parents who tell their kids santa is real, however, are lying. Plain and simple.

Now, should parents also expect teachers to lie to their children? That's just ridiculous...

[Libertine]

Originally posted by jennym
When my daughter was 7 or 8, she lost another tooth. When I mentioned the Tooth Fairy, she said "Mom, I know you're the Tooth Fairy". I tried to deny it, but she knew. Well, when she woke up, and there was no money, I said that's because there is no Tooth Fairy.

Well, when Christmas came around that year, I aked her to make a list for Santa. She said "Mom, I know you are Santa". At that point I said "Do you really want to have this discussion again?". She laughed and immediately made a list for Santa. It is fun for me, and for her. It was never about me lying to my child. They already grow up too fast, let them have fun while they can.

So you basically taught your daughter that if she finds out something is not true, she shouldn't say anything about it because she will get punished for saying the truth?
What a great parent you are...

[sherie]

Originally posted by punkworld
So telling children the truth about something is "messing them up"? This is not religion... parents who raise their kids with religion don't think they are lying to their children. Parents who tell their kids santa is real, however, are lying. Plain and simple.

Now, should parents also expect teachers to lie to their children? That's just ridiculous...

It's not a teachers place to tell your child or my child that the myth is just that. Why not go all out and fuck up all the myths for them, The Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy etc., Believe me, when my teacher ruined it for the class it was devistating to a 6 year old!

[Furious_Female]

Originally posted by punkworld
So telling children the truth about something is "messing them up"? This is not religion... parents who raise their kids with religion don't think they are lying to their children. Parents who tell their kids santa is real, however, are lying. Plain and simple.

Now, should parents also expect teachers to lie to their children? That's just ridiculous...

Well they could also say nothing. There's certain things a teacher should leave up to parents and not over step their boundaries. If telling kids the cold hard truth is always right and always appropriate, I suppose it would be perfectly ok for a teacher to tell a 1st grade class the truth about where babies come from or should that be left up to parents?

[jennym]

Originally posted by punkworld


So you basically taught your daughter that if she finds out something is not true, she shouldn't say anything about it because she will get punished for saying the truth?
What a great parent you are...

Oh bite me! We had a more detailed discussion about it later. My daughter talks to me about EVERYTHING! She even tells on herself when she does something wrong and I am not around. She says "Mom, are you going to ground me? I did such and such..."

The Santa thing is just something fun for kids in a fucked up world. Jeez people get a clue.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by sherie
It's not a teachers place to tell your child or my child that the myth is just that. Why not go all out and fuck up all the myths for them, The Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy etc., Believe me, when my teacher ruined it for the class it was devistating to a 6 year old!

It's not a teachers place to educate your child?

[GigaChris]

What do you mean Santa is make belive!!!

[Libertine]

Originally posted by jennym


Oh bite me! We had a more detailed discussion about it later. My daughter talks to me about EVERYTHING! She even tells on herself when she does something wrong and I am not around. She says "Mom, are you going to ground me? I did such and such..."

The Santa thing is just something fun for kids in a fucked up world. Jeez people get a clue.

Well, the way you said it, it sure did sound like you punished your kid for speaking about having found out something all by herself

[Ic3m4nZ]

Some kids don't give a fuck anyway if he's real or notand a lot of people don't celebrate christmas anyway.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by Furious_Female


Well they could also say nothing. There's certain things a teacher should leave up to parents and not over step their boundaries. If telling kids the cold hard truth is always right and always appropriate, I suppose it would be perfectly ok for a teacher to tell a 1st grade class the truth about where babies come from or should that be left up to parents?

In my opinion, that would be perfectly okay, yes. Ofcourse not in a very explicit or detailed way, but I see nothing wrong with educating them on the facts of life. A whole lot better than lying to them and making up some story about storks or cabbages or whatever

[jennym]

Originally posted by punkworld


Well, the way you said it, it sure did sound like you punished your kid for speaking about having found out something all by herself

It's just the bland way a message board sounds. It was very "giggly". It was really cute. As I got older, my grandma always said "If you believe in Santa, he will come". And he did until I was about 30.

[jennym]

Originally posted by punkworld


In my opinion, that would be perfectly okay, yes. Ofcourse not in a very explicit or detailed way, but I see nothing wrong with educating them on the facts of life. A whole lot better than lying to them and making up some story about storks or cabbages or whatever

I agree with this. I thought if my daughter was old enough to ask the deep questions, she was old enough for the answers. Of course my daughter is 9 going on 40.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by punkworld


In my opinion, that would be perfectly okay, yes. Ofcourse not in a very explicit or detailed way, but I see nothing wrong with educating them on the facts of life. A whole lot better than lying to them and making up some story about storks or cabbages or whatever

We might as well teach a bunch of 6 year olds about prostitution, rape, molestation, teen pregnancy, religious zealots, war, pornography, excessive drug use, alcoholism, corrupt politicians, corrupt people, etc, etc, etc... eh?

There's a time and a place for everything. Allowing your 6 year old to believe in Santa is not killing anyone. You've obviously never seen the look on a little kids face on Christmas Eve when he sneaks into bed early in hopes of waking up to presents the next morning.

[Sly_RJ]

On the next Donahue: Santa believers turned murderers!

[sherie]

Originally posted by punkworld


It's not a teachers place to educate your child?

Oh please, the truth about santa has nothing remotely to do with educating my child. Don't think I'd be so thrilled if my child asked 'where do babies come from' and she decides to tell the tail of fornicating to my 6 year old. When infact that should be my place. The teacher could have just shut the fuck up. If the teacher did not believe in god, it would not be her place to tell a 6 year old that god wasn't real. There are boundaries.

The teacher is not the one that has to deal with the aftermath...send a devistated child home to the family and pretty much ruin Xmas (for the child). There is a time and place for everything, the teacher still had no right.

[Furious_Female]

Originally posted by punkworld


In my opinion, that would be perfectly okay, yes. Ofcourse not in a very explicit or detailed way, but I see nothing wrong with educating them on the facts of life. A whole lot better than lying to them and making up some story about storks or cabbages or whatever

Well I was 5 in first grade... so I'm glad there were people around me that let me enjoy being that age for awhile instead of drilling the cruel world shit into me. It's not always about right and wrong, sometimes it's simply about giving people a moment of happiness and indulging their fantasies. Without fantasy, it would be a dull world and porn sure wouldn't be as profitable

[Sly_RJ]

If the teacher really wanted to spread the truth and stop the "lies", he/she could have told the kids about the origin of Santa. You can teach about religion without teaching religion. This would have been the perfect place to do it. The real meaning behind Santa is a great one and every kid should know it, though I highly doubt many do.

[Brad-Wishing]

Damn... that's FUCKED. That teacher should be fired. You can't do that to kids. It's not their responsibility.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

We might as well teach a bunch of 6 year olds about prostitution, rape, molestation, teen pregnancy, religious zealots, war, pornography, excessive drug use, alcoholism, corrupt politicians, corrupt people, etc, etc, etc... eh?

You're posting this in reply to a post about educating children on "where babies come from". Does that mean you consider human biology something utterly vile and disgusting?

Aside from that, if children ask about bad things, I think the best thing to do is give them a very simple, non-explicit explanation, instead of lying to them and preventing them from learning anything about life before they get the chance to experience it themselves without knowing what it is.

Hell, I'd much rather have my children know that there are bad people who do bad things to children than have them take candy from a stranger and get raped and murdered.
But maybe I'm just being silly... maybe you should just keep the truth from children for as long as possible, and just explain the birds and bees to them when they're 15 and sitting in an abortion clinic waiting for their turn.

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
There's a time and a place for everything. Allowing your 6 year old to believe in Santa is not killing anyone. You've obviously never seen the look on a little kids face on Christmas Eve when he sneaks into bed early in hopes of waking up to presents the next morning.

Yeah, I guess you're right. It's much better for children to be lied to so they believe some complete stranger gives them presents while their parents give them nothing, than telling them the truth and explaining that their parents are giving them presents because they love them very much and are very happy that they're there.

[eroswebmaster]

I heard about this the other day and it bothered me.

For those of you who want to debate the whole lie vs truth bullshit...it is not a teacher's responsibility to tell a kid about what he/she should or should not believe.

This teacher should have addressed the issue by just telling the kids they should go home and aks their parents.

The simple fact is there IS a Santa Claus..whether that is some made up guy or the parents.

When my youngest niece asked me about whether or not santa was real I basically told her that yes he is real that he is her...me...her mama...that Santa was more than just a single person, but a spirit a belief in the concept of giving...and if you think that's bullshit..then you never got to play santa clause to either your own kids or someone you dearly love.

Sometime in the future my nieces will truly learn what that means when they have kids of their own and get to share in that magical moment when a kid wakes up and sees what's under the Christmas tree.

That bitch had her own agenda...fuck her and fuck anyone who would go and take it upon themselves to tell someone elses kid about what or what not to believe in.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster

When my youngest niece asked me about whether or not santa was real I basically told her that yes he is real that he is her...me...her mama...that Santa was more than just a single person, but a spirit a belief in the concept of giving...and if you think that's bullshit..then you never got to play santa clause to either your own kids or someone you dearly love.

Fuckin' A man. Just like I mentioned above. Maybe if more people believed in the Santa within this world wouldn't be such a shit hole.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
If the teacher really wanted to spread the truth and stop the "lies", he/she could have told the kids about the origin of Santa. You can teach about religion without teaching religion. This would have been the perfect place to do it. The real meaning behind Santa is a great one and every kid should know it, though I highly doubt many do.

To teach children about the origins of the whole Santa-thing would have been perfect, in my opinion. A perfect way to both educate them and give them a story with a very positive message.

[Furious_Female]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
I heard about this the other day and it bothered me.

For those of you who want to debate the whole lie vs truth bullshit...it is not a teacher's responsibility to tell a kid about what he/she should or should not believe.

This teacher should have addressed the issue by just telling the kids they should go home and aks their parents.

The simple fact is there IS a Santa Claus..whether that is some made up guy or the parents.

When my youngest niece asked me about whether or not santa was real I basically told her that yes he is real that he is her...me...her mama...that Santa was more than just a single person, but a spirit a belief in the concept of giving...and if you think that's bullshit..then you never got to play santa clause to either your own kids or someone you dearly love.

Sometime in the future my nieces will truly learn what that means when they have kids of their own and get to share in that magical moment when a kid wakes up and sees what's under the Christmas tree.

That bitch had her own agenda...fuck her and fuck anyone who would go and take it upon themselves to tell someone elses kid about what or what not to believe in.

Well said

[Libertine]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
When my youngest niece asked me about whether or not santa was real I basically told her that yes he is real that he is her...me...her mama...that Santa was more than just a single person, but a spirit a belief in the concept of giving...and if you think that's bullshit..then you never got to play santa clause to either your own kids or someone you dearly love.

So, basically, you told her that there is no fat guy named Santa, and managed to combine that with a very good message. Works for me